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Old January 13th, 2007, 12:42 PM
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Wich ship class to choose?
I have never traveled with Celebrity, but I know they are good. How much do their ships seperate from each other?

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Wich ship class to choose?
I have never traveled with Celebrity, but I know they are good. How much do their ships seperate from each other?
I'm not persuaded that there's much real difference among Celebrity's ships, with the exception of MV Zenith (which will go to Spanish sister line Pullmantur SA at the end of this winter season). Of the remaining seven ships, MV Galaxy and MV Mercury are about ten percent larger than MV Century (and thus not really the same class in spite of Celebrity's misleading publicity) and about ten percent smaller than the four vessels of the newer Millennium class -- not really a major difference in size. MV Galaxy and MV Mercury also do not have a specialty restaurant, which the other five vessels now offer, but they do have an additional nightclub/lounge with live bands that were pretty good during my cruises aboard each of these vessels.

The propulsion pods on the Millennium class have proven to be problematic, with bearing failures occurring about annually. Due to the design of the pod system, the only way to replace the failed bearing is to cancel a cruise and put the ship in drydock. Celebrity has been very generous with compensation, giving affected passengers a full refund plus a voucher for a free cruise of equal duration. I mention this only because you should be aware of the possibility if you are booking on one of these four vessels.

Celebrity's parent company, Royal Caribbean Cruises Ltd. (not to be confused with sister cruise line Royal Caribbean International), recently announced that two smaller vessels will join the line's "Celebrity Expeditions" subbrand later this year. These vessels, which will operate as MV Celebrity Journey and MV Celebrity Quest after receiving major refits, including replacement of forty-eight standard cabins with thirty-two small suites on the aft half of Deck Eight, will offer most of the amenities and facilities that you would expect to find on a Celebrity vessel, but on a smaller scale. The most notable differences are that these ships have a simple show lounge that does not have the stage elevators, elaborate lighting, etc., of the "Celebrity Theater" of the current vessels and that these ships do not have dedicated children's, youth, or teen centers.

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Old January 18th, 2007, 09:39 PM
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Wich ship class to choose?
I have never traveled with Celebrity, but I know they are good. How much do their ships seperate from each other?

Below is a link to the Celebrity web site and their breakdown of ships by class. A word about the page, they list Horizon class as having the Zenith but that will be gone soon. They list Journey class as Journey and Quest but they are not in the fleet yet. Xpedition is a special cruise and certainly can't be confused with the other ships. The other two classes which are explained are the Millenium class and the Century class. The M class includes Millenium, Infinity, Summit and Constellation. The Century class are Century, Mercury and Galaxy. The breakdown on the web site is pretty accurate and explains the differences and similiarities of the ships.

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Below is a link to the Celebrity web site and their breakdown of ships by class. A word about the page, they list Horizon class as having the Zenith but that will be gone soon. They list Journey class as Journey and Quest but they are not in the fleet yet. Xpedition is a special cruise and certainly can't be confused with the other ships. The other two classes which are explained are the Millenium class and the Century class. The M class includes Millenium, Infinity, Summit and Constellation. The Century class are Century, Mercury and Galaxy. The breakdown on the web site is pretty accurate and explains the differences and similiarities of the ships.
Well, your description of the contents of the web site is accurate but the cotent of the web site is misleading at best. The line orignally planned MV Galaxy and MV Mercury as sisters to MV Century, but redesigned them as larger vessels before the shipyard actually built them. In correct maritime usage, MV Century is a "one of a kind" and MV Galaxy and MV Mercury constitute the Galaxy class. As built, MV Galaxy and MV Mercury are about as different from MV Century as they are from MV Millennium.

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Below is a link to the Celebrity web site and their breakdown of ships by class. A word about the page, they list Horizon class as having the Zenith but that will be gone soon. They list Journey class as Journey and Quest but they are not in the fleet yet. Xpedition is a special cruise and certainly can't be confused with the other ships. The other two classes which are explained are the Millenium class and the Century class. The M class includes Millenium, Infinity, Summit and Constellation. The Century class are Century, Mercury and Galaxy. The breakdown on the web site is pretty accurate and explains the differences and similiarities of the ships.
Well, your description of the contents of the web site is accurate but the cotent of the web site is misleading at best. The line orignally planned MV Galaxy and MV Mercury as sisters to MV Century, but redesigned them as larger vessels before the shipyard actually built them. In correct maritime usage, MV Century is a "one of a kind" and MV Galaxy and MV Mercury constitute the Galaxy class. As built, MV Galaxy and MV Mercury are about as different from MV Century as they are from MV Millennium.

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I respectfully disagree with your assessment having been on all three ships. They are more alike in terms of areas that are seen by the passengers and that is ultimately what is important. Additionally when someone asks a question they deserve to receive an answer that is accurate and not someone's opinion. Celebrity says they are all C class ships and that is what a prospective customer is looking for and that is what the OP asked.

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Old January 20th, 2007, 01:40 AM
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Additionally when someone asks a question they deserve to receive an answer that is accurate and not someone's opinion.
Yes, exactly. And, factually, the term "class" has a very specific meaning in reference to ships. Specifically, two ships are of the same class if and only if they are built to the same basic set of plans. There may be some differences in the arrangement of furnishings in some interior spaces or in the use of some spaces, but that's finish work rather than structural differences.

Now, a look at the dimensions of MV Century, MV Gaaxy, and MV Mercury shows the following (as published on Celebrity's web site).

* MV Century
>> Displacement: 71,545 Tons
>> Length: 815 Feet
>> Beam: 105 Feet
>> Draft: 25 Feet
>> Capaciy: 1808 Passengers

* MV Galaxy
>> Displacement: 77,713 Tons
>> Length: 866 Feet
>> Beam: 105.5 Feet
>> Draft: 25 Feet
>> Passengers: 1894 passengers

* MV Mercury
>> Displacement: 77,713 Tons
>> Length: 855 feet
>> Beam: 105.5 feet
>> Draft: 25.5 feet
>> Passengers: 1986 passengers

The difference in listed capacity for MV Galaxy and MV Mercury probably reflects allocation of four cabis for lecturers or something similar, rather than an actual difference in the ships,, and the difference in the stated draft of these vessels may reflect a longer "pit log" (a sensor used to measure the ship's speed through the water) or something equally inocuous. The differences beween the numbers for both of these vessels and the numbers for MV Century, however, reflect the fact that MV Century is a completely different vessel bilt on a completely different hull.

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Celebrity says they are all C class ships and that is what a prospective customer is looking for and that is what the OP asked.
Rather, I don't think we do anybody any favors by blithely repeatig information that is clearly wrong, even if the company's web site or the company's marketing brochures are the source of the erroneous information.

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Don,

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Additionally when someone asks a question they deserve to receive an answer that is accurate and not someone's opinion.
Yes, exactly. And, factually, the term "class" has a very specific meaning in reference to ships. Specifically, two ships are of the same class if and only if they are built to the same basic set of plans. There may be some differences in the arrangement of furnishings in some interior spaces or in the use of sume spaces, but that's finish work rather than structural differences.

Now, a look at the dimensions of MV Century, MV Gaaxy, and MV Mercury shows the following (as published on Celebrity's web site).

* MV Century
>> Displacement: 71,545 Tons
>> Length: 815 Feet
>> Beam: 105 Feet
>> Draft: 25 Feet
>> Capaciy: 1808 Passengers

* [url=http://www.celebritycruises.com/plancruise/ships/ship.do;jsessionid=0000xgKg9_jUODCorEwDVjPaNoM:102 8etqv2?shipCode=GL]MV Galaxy[/rul]
>> Displacement: 77,713 Tons
>> Length: 866 Feet
>> Beam: 105.5 Feet
>> Draft: 25 Feet
>> Passengers: 1894 passengers

* MV Mercury
>> Displacement: 77,713 Tons
>> Length: 855 feet
>> Beam: 105.5 feet
>> Draft: 25.5 feet
>> Passengers: 1986 passengers

The difference in listed capacity for MV Galaxy and MV Mercury probably reflects allocation of four cabis for lecturers or something similar, rather than an actual difference in the ships,, and the difference in the stated draft of these vessels may reflect a longer "pit log" (a sensor used to measure the ship's speed through the water) or something equally inocuous. The differences beween the numbers for both of these vessels and the numbers for MV Century, however, reflect the fact that MV Century is a completely different vessel bilt on a completely different hull.

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Celebrity says they are all C class ships and that is what a prospective customer is looking for and that is what the OP asked.
Rather, I don't think we do anybody any favors by blithely repeatig information that is clearly wrong, even if the company's web site or the company's marketing brochures are the source of the erroneous information.

Norm.
Norm:

I still respectfully disagree and believe that when someone is looking to research something they should be directed to the best and easiest method and not be confused by things they will never see on a ship. I think people are more concerned where the buffet or pool is than the pit log.
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I still respectfully disagree and believe that when someone is looking to research something they should be directed to the best and easiest method and not be confused by things they will never see on a ship. I think people are more concerned where the buffet or pool is than the pit log.
Yes, and in this instance the errors in Celebrity's marketing materials have created no small amount of confusion. For example, look at the recent discussion on The Other Boards about possible plans to perform the same modifications to MV Galaxy and MV Mercury that the line performed to MV Century during a major overhaul last spring.

>> 1. The reconfiguration added waht are now cabins 1200, 1201, 1226, 1228, 1230, 1232, through 1247, 1249, 1251, and 1253 to the aft end of the Sports Deck. All but the first two of these occupy what was previously the basketball/volleyball cage. On the corresponding deck of MV Galaxy and MV Mercury, called the Sky Deck, there's no room for a vollyball/basketball cage and much less room to add new cabins because the Magrodome, which does not exist aboard MV Century, is in the way.

>> 2. The reconfiguration of MV Century added balconies to all of the outside cabins with numbers from 8042 through 820 and outside cabins 8223, 8227, and 8229 on the ship's Panorama Deck. The new balconies are within the width of the hull, the original superstructure being several narrower than the hull. It's not possible to make this change to the outside cabins on the Panorama Deck of MV Galaxy or MV Mercury because the existing superstructure already exends out, over the lifeboats, to the full width of the hull.

I could go on, but I think that addressing the most major changes makes the point. The errant representations in the company's web site and marketing materials have created expectations that would be reasonable if the errant representations were true. The only way to answer querries based upon such expectations is to explain that the company's representations are wrong and that the real situation does not permit what people are expecting.

And the disappointment created by such explanations can't be good for the line's marketing efforts, either.

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I think I will just respectfully agree to disagree with you. I still believe you are incorrect but you are entitled to your opinion as am I.

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To add another dimension to the discussion - it is my opinion (and I have sailed on all Celebrity ships - several more than once) that there is also a big difference in overall cruise experience between the newer, larger ships and the older ones (the exception being Century, just remodeled). The older ships - Galaxy and Mercury - are definitely showing their age in the decor and bedding category. It is also my humble opinion that the older ships also are taking second place as far as entertainment and food goes as well. A secondary Celebrity experience probably still beats other mid-range cruise lines, but if I were recommending Celebrity to someone I would definitely encourage them to take one of the newer ships, or Century.
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The older ships - Galaxy and Mercury - are definitely showing their age in the decor and bedding category. It is also my humble opinion that the older ships also are taking second place as far as entertainment and food goes as well.
After leaving MV Galaxy last night, I can't agree with you on this.

>> The decor in public spaces aoard MV Galaxy is in very good condition. The upholstery on the seats in the lounges appears to have received a much needed cleaning since my last cruise aboard that ship. Sure, the carpets in high traffic areas show some wear -- but that's normal on any ship that's midway between yard visits. And replacement of the deck material in the pool area is nearing completion as I write this.

>> The bedding has been replaced since my last cruise aboard MV Galaxy (October 2005), including new contrasting linens.

>> The entertainers on this cruise were as good as or better than those aboard MV Infinity during my cruise to Hawai'i last October and November. I particularly enjoyed the phenomenal talent of pianist Antonio Salci, who was quite literally the buzz of the ship after his second (matinee) concert on the last day at sea. Also, the present cruise director aboard MV Galaxy apparently is one of the line's best, as the line has chosen him to be the inaugural cruise director of a new ship -- a task for which cruise lines usually do "cherry pick" the officers and staff with the highest marks to get the new ships off to the right start. And MV Galaxy and MV Mercury also have a nightclub separate from the disco with live entertainment that does not exist aboard the Millennium class.

>> The food in the main dining room, the buffet, the grill, and the pizza and pasta bar were very comparable to what I encountered aboard in the corresponding venues during a cruise aboard MV Infinity last October and November. The cuisine aboard MV Mercury during my cruise to the Mexican Riviera in February 2006 was also very comaprable in corresponding venues. Sure, MV Galaxy and MV Mercury don't have specialty restaurants, but most of us are not about to dine in Celebrity's specialty restaurants every night at $30 per person per pop!

And, in any case, all seven of Celebrity's ships (discounting MV Zenith, which is about to go to sister line Pullmantur) rank in Conde Naste's top ten. You certainly could do much worse!

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Mercury & Galaxy are showing their age but they still have T pools which are great-- it was removed from Century in the refurb process. We have enjoyed Mercury with great service. The smaller ships are the ones I prefer but the M class are more up to date with more going on-- except they are so unreliable now, that I would not take a chance booking them. We will see how Centrury is in April & Sept. Hoping it will become our new favorite! Not sure abt Journey--will await reviews..
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While on Mercury for our cruise 1/29-2/9 we booked her for next Jan. to Aust/NZ. The sales person gave us a paper which lists all the refurbishments from last year and this year. This year's list includes:

Adding 12 new verandas in the aft end of the vessel on decks 6 & 8 to cabins currently being sold as FO. These staterooms will now be sold as Cat. 2A, although they will be 22% larger than other 2A rooms.

Completely revitalizing the gift shops
Refurbish the pool deck
Complete replacement of all mattresses on the vessel (started last year)
Commence replacement of all the potable water systems with plastic piping
Install a new satellite antenna

Replace 200 bathroom sinks
Replace the carpeting in the following areas:
Staircases and landings
Main Foyer
Guest corridors on Decks 4,5,8,9,10 & 12
All Sky Suites
Main Restaurant
Martini and Champagne Bars
Cova Cafe
Casino
The Mercury is due for a major refurbishment in 2009 (Galaxy in 2008)
We had a great time on the Mercury and had no qualms about booking her for next year.
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KMM:

Here is a link to the press release that you were referring to in your post.

http://www.creative.rccl.com/Sales/c...urbishment.pdf
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Here is a link to the press release that you were referring to in your post.

http://www.creative.rccl.com/Sales/c...urbishment.pdf
Yes, this link reinforces the point that maintenance of a cruise ship is always ongoing because that's what it takes to keep ships in decent condition.

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Norm, thank you for the info about Galaxy. I would be very pleased if I find Galaxy to be as you described, as we are cruising on her a week from Friday. I remain a huge fan of Celebrity (this is my 18th Celebrity cruise) and overall they still beat any other line of similar price. I do feel what I said certainly still applies to my experience on the Mercury in November, but maybe I will be pleasantly surprised on Galaxy. This is my third trip on her, and the other two were two of my favorite cruises.
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