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Old August 15th, 2013, 12:20 PM
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Took a week-long Celebrity cruise from Bayonne to Bermuda and back the week before last. Overall, Celebrity's product was up to its usual standard.

There were a number of security issues during the cruise, one of which was unlike anything I've seen in 25 cruises. A man who was allegedly the father of one of the shipboard musicians spent much of his time on the pool deck, and took to harassing some of the passengers who hung out there. I didn't spend an awful lot of time up there but I did get to chatting with a number of the folks this guy was bothering. I also saw him several times, but he never approached me.

According to fellow passengers, threats were made, such as "I'm from Chicago and murder is what we do." For some of the folks, this was their first cruise, so I advised them to talk to security at once, and if they got no satisfaction to demand to talk to the staff captain. Security was alerted.

I was then told that on the dance floor during our first night in Bermuda, this guy was dropping pills all over the place. Passengers retrieved some of them and turned them over to security.

The next morning I was walking across the deck toward the T-pool when I saw the guy being escorted to the elevators by security personnel. People on deck cheered. The folks I'd been chatting with said that he'd been threatening people in the pool that morning. Looking over the rail we saw two Bermuda police cars on the pier, and sure enough, the guy was taken off the ship. We expected him to be put in one of the cars and taken away.

No such luck. The cops and a ship's officer stood on the pier talking to him for the better part of an hour, after which he was escorted back on the ship and the cops went away. "Well, they're going to lock him in his room or throw him in the brig," conjectured most.

No such luck. Before anyone knew it he was back among us, redoubling his annoying and threatening ways. He stared down one woman who had rebuffed him previously and said, "I'm not through with you."

Passengers went back to security and demanded to know why he was still at large on the ship. According to several I spoke to, the answer was that it was Celebrity's policy that nothing would be done until and unless he actually laid hands on someone. Every time people would complain, security's first and only question was, "Did he touch you?" Passengers also said that the security people told them that there was nothing they would love better than to kick him off the ship, but they couldn't.

As far as I know he never physically assaulted anyone, but he sure made for a lousy cruise for the pool deck denizens. I felt badly for them--especially the first-timers for whom this now defines the cruising experience.
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Old August 15th, 2013, 12:42 PM
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I can't believe Celebrity allowed him back on board. A few months ago I thought I read that someone was kicked off the ship for making the thumb-index finger like a gun and pointing it at someone at their Blackjack table. It could have escalated into physical contact but I can't remember if it did.

It's a strange state of affairs when a cruise line can't enforce their own cruise contract. Who knows, maybe he was "connected".

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Old August 15th, 2013, 02:24 PM
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Wow! I hate bullies like this and to allow it is inexcusable in my book!!

It's too bad they couldn't have done something, but to a degree, I understand the cruise line not being able to do anything. After all, there is such a thing as free speech. And while we may not like what someone has to say, they do have the right to say it.

Then again, when someone threatens someone, it seem like they should be able to do something. And someone being that disturbing is definitely bad for business, especially since this was the father of a musician, who works for a contractor and not the cruise line.

This is just wrong in so many ways!

I feel very sorry for those people who were on their first cruise and got this type of experience. I'm just surprised Celebrity didn't do something just to help appease the passengers and make themselves look better in a very difficult situation.

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Wow, did these people go home with stories to tell...First impressions don't get do-overs I am so shocked, all he got was a talking to on the pier, and to then come back on for a repeat performance is shameful! I wonder where the son/daughter was in all this mess.
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Old August 15th, 2013, 08:20 PM
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I was always under the impression that if you got involved in any sort of confrontation or conflict you got kicked off..this is why seat hogs get away with it because nobody dare say anything..I have always been fearful of ''losing it'' with someone on a ship...
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Bullying and intimidation. He's going to run across the wrong person one day.
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Entertainers sometimes get to bring on board guests for free but I'd imagine this is the last guest he will be allowed to bring and it might effect if he gets asked back or gets the contract renewed.

On my TA I had dinner with a guest and an 2 of the entertainers and the guest had to much to drink. He ended up trying to impress one of the girls with I can do anything I want attitude...he stole the iPad from the specialty restaurant where you order with it. Both of them where interviewed by security about any involvement and feared they would loose thier Celebrity contracts (one stayed on board for 6 months and one was a featured performer) just for being there. He returned it eventually and was told if he did anything else he would be left in the next port but still it was a big mess and this was just a guy they met on board not one they brought with them.
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Several years ago we were on a cruise and when we were leaving the ship lines were long for those carrying off their own luggage . An 80 year old woman was walking rather slowly an a 50 year old guy on back of her punched her in the face ,knocking her to the floor .All of a sudden 3 security officers appeared and removed him from the ship.
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That's different, as there was an assault..not just a verbal confrontation.
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"Cruise bullies" like ''Internet bullies" thrive on the fact that they can do what they like, onboard nobody can punch their lights out as they deserve & online they never meet face to face.
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That's different, as there was an assault..not just a verbal confrontation.
Actually this seems the description of assault, battery is the physical portion of assault and battery
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Actually this seems the description of assault, battery is the physical portion of assault and battery
Depends on the state, in NJ the word battery does not appear in the Criminal Code, several other states are the same way.

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"I was then told that on the dance floor during our first night in Bermuda, this guy was dropping pills all over the place. Passengers retrieved some of them and turned them over to security."

But why he did that? Didn't understand the behind the scene element.
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