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Old March 28th, 2002, 12:07 PM
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I have been wondering my Princess, Celebrity, RCL, or HAL wouldn't purcase one of the great Rclass ships that Renaissance built and sail them on Hawaii only trips.

They could do one of two things. Register them in the US so they would pass the Jones Act and do 7 night Hawaii only cruises, or they could register them outside the US and do 10 night cruises with 3 days used to go to Fanning Island to fulfill the Jones Act requirement. By doing 10 nights, you would have enough time to spend a couple of days in Maui and a day at Kona and a day at Hilo along with Oahu and Kaui.

Seems to make sense to me, but then what do I know. Probably be better than the NCL Star offering.

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John, one of the requirements of the Passenger Services Act, (Jones Act deals with cargo), is that the ship also be built in the USA. Even if they could, these other lines would be very unlikely to register the ship in the USA with all the rules and reg's they would have to comply with. It is just easier to go to Fanning Island. Additionally they would have to do massive renovating and remove the casino's as well due to current Hawaiian Law. Just not worth it.
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Sounds good to me John, I would enjoy that itinerary.

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Thanks for the replies. I personally disagree that it would be worth it to pull out the casino and do the 10-day cruise. The Hawaii cruises are always full and busy. I would go on the 10 day cruise on the R-class.

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Me too, me too! Somebody better pick up that market. Could also do year-round Ensenada to Hawaii and Hawaii to Ensenada runs.
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1. I think that NCL has had some adverse experience attempting to use Fanning Island so this requires carefully determination.

2. Unless I am grossly mistaken I seem to recall the Neiuw Amsterdam was a foreign flag operated by Holland American Cruise Line that was reflagged as an American flagged cruise vessel. This vessel was built by Chantiers de l'Antlantic in France. It was purhased by Atlantic Classic Voyages for their United States Lines and as we all know ACV went belly up; Holland Aarican took back the ship as the mortgage holder and now is offering it for sale. Wanna buy a cruise ship on the cheap ?

Of course there was a great deal of Congressional" pork and lard" involved in the ACV operation so it is easy to understand the reflagging.
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And ACV also spent millions bring the Nieuw Amsterdam up to US standards.....I would prefer to see a year round San Diego - Honolulu route (with the service stop in Ensenada to fufill the PSA).

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Still wouldn't work Lisa as you cannot start in a US port and end in a differant US port, even if you do visit a (distant) foriegn port. It would still have to be a round trip cruise. The reason the old HAL ship even though built in France was allowed to be reflagged is because of extensive refurbishing done in a USA port and of course the typical palmgreasing that took place for this US company to do this. The results were of course bankruptcy if that tells you anything. I too wish they would do away with the PSA but don't look for it to begin in Hawaii as they are the main force against it as far as I can see.
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