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Old August 7th, 2002, 10:31 AM
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So much for a borring summer. If you were once on Renaissance Cruises email list, you probably received a mailing this morning from the company. HUH? Here's email:
We do know that the URL of the new site (see below) is owned by Renaissance former owner & ceo Frank Rudner, who left the cruise line years ago.

Any comments???

>>>>>>>> To: Friends of Renaissance Cruises

From: Renaissance Cruises

Re: Renaissance Cruises is Back from Vacation!


Dear Friend,

We are thrilled to announce that after a year's sabbatical, we are back in
Ft. Lauderdale and are putting the Renaissance Cruises family back together. We've spent the time wisely - inspecting cruise ships and exploring new ports of call for our loyal customers.

While we put our house in order, we welcome your comments. Our new reservations center isn't complete yet, but please visit our new website at www.RenaissanceCruises.cc. We have an online form for your feedback and suggestions.

As you know, we have always brought you innovative cruise products by constantly reinventing ourselves, and this time is no different. You can rely on Renaissance Cruises to continue to deliver incredible vacation values, unique itineraries, and fabulous ships.

Look for additional communications from us as more plans are put in place, and thank you in advance for your comments! <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
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Old August 7th, 2002, 10:55 AM
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Sounds pretty scammish (is that a word?) to me. Rather, an attempt to obtain information that might be sold, used in unusual ways, or whatever.

Obviously, the "we" is NOT Rudner, who's apparently been out of the picture long time passing.

Who, I wonder, owns the "mark" of Renaissance Cruises? Or could just anybody use it?

The website offers absolutely no information about ships, itineraries or anything else. It's just asking for input. Why would they even NEED a "new reservations center" if they have nothing to reserve?

I also wonder how the mailing list got into the hands it's in ???

Me, I'd say STAY AWAY FROM THIS.

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Old August 7th, 2002, 10:57 AM
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Anne.. it would certainly be nice to see Ren rise from the ashes. Most everyone who tried it liked it, and I hadn't got around to trying them, so a rebirth would definitely put them on my to do list.

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Pamda... we got it too. What I did note was that the URL was a ".CC" NOT a ".Com". That makes me even more suspicious. Even if Renaissance or Rudner owned the ".Com"... someone else may have easily bought the ".CC" nomenclature. Will be interesting to see how it plays out. The ability to purchase a URL with a different ".something" doesn't relieve one from the applicable Copyright and Trade Mark laws, as I understand it. I could buy but could not use, say "Texaco.cc" even if it were available. It will be interesting to follow.

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Ernie (and all) I just trolled around and was amazed to find the extensions I could "buy" including the "cc" which clanged for me.

I remember from lawsuits from a long time ago about "confusingly similar" names of companies. "Zsa Zsa" comes immediately to mind.

After a quick GOOGLE search, I found out that I could register RenaissanceCruises as either a .biz or a .us ... the second site I visited did not offer .cc but the first one did (not for Renaissance, just in general.)

These are all new extensions to me, and I don't have the first clue what's involved.

There are lots more talented searchers out there than I, so may be someone else can shed more light on the subject.

For now, I hope people will stay the heck away from what appears to be a scam.

Here's a sample of what's available from one registration site ...

<http://www.register.com/whois.cgi>

(Edit) Sorry the page I wished to display wouldn't "stick". Just type in 'renaissancecruises" and see what you get. This, of course, assumes that you don't have a life or anything better to do.



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Old August 7th, 2002, 06:12 PM
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Pamda, I heard that the cc extention might be from the Turks and Cocos Islands. Take that for whatever you want.

Kuki, from what I understand, all Ren ships were initially non-smoking like Carnival Paradise.

From what I understand, Renissance went for a nitche cruise market, and it failed rather miserabilly.

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Old August 8th, 2002, 08:33 AM
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Tom ...

I think in addition to being no-smoking, they were also no kids. Almost all, if not all their sailings required a flight to a foreign port so, 9/11 really sealed their fate.

Mike ...

I pondered on your question, I suppose the reason "they" (whomever they might be) asked for an e-mail address was to port the info straight into a database?

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Old August 9th, 2002, 06:13 PM
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The website is registered to a limited liability corporation called ATx in Fort Lauderdale. The Renaissance bankruptcy documents available at www.renaissancecruises.com indicate that Renaissance still owns two ships, R-3 and R-4. Apparently a reorganization plan has been filed. The following item appeared in the Sun-Sentinel on August 5:

"When former Chairman Ed Rudner left Renaissance Cruises two years ago, he took with him 1,434,034 shares of stock in parent company R. Holdings. To pay for it, he gave the company a $12 million promissory note. Now the R. Holdings stock is worthless and Rudner doesn't have to make quarterly payments on the note. He's still on the hook for the $12 million, theoretically. But the non-callable note doesn't mature until 2010. Renaissance has tried to sell it at a discount, but failed.

"Collectibility is uncertain at this time," Renaissance said."
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