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Old June 13th, 2003, 12:29 PM
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Default POLL- Would U prefer to see TIPS INCLUDED

[b]At the moment only the luxury cruise lines have a no tipping policy. They include them in the fare. While lately we're seeing versions where tips are automatically billed to your account (which you can remove or reduce), would you prefer to see the cruise lines simply add the cost of tips into the cruise fare, and not have it be a concern?[b]



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it might be nice not to feel the pressure to tip. i don't think tipping should be mandatory - to me tipping is a reward for service above & beyond. Pay the employess a good, living wage so that they don't have to depend upon the tips. Sure it would raise the base cost of your cruise, but don't most of you figure the cost of tipping into your cruise budget? I know i do.
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Old June 13th, 2003, 12:51 PM
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No, definately not. A tip is a gratutity and not a salary. A tip is something that is given by choice because of appreciation for service and should never be required, if it is it is no longer a tip. The premium lines may have a not tipping policy but a tip is darn sure approprate and expected in most cases.
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Old June 13th, 2003, 12:57 PM
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A tip should never be included in the Base Cruise Fare. As Robo said, when it is included then it is not a Tip. A tip is offered for Services rendered.

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When tips are included in the fare I feel obliged to tip again for some reason.

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Old June 13th, 2003, 01:57 PM
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Nope, I don't think so! I agree with Jim and Ray, a tip should not be a set amount and definitely not included in the fare!

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Old June 13th, 2003, 03:54 PM
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Not in favor of including tips in cruise fare. I, too, would still feel obligated to tip over the included amount. More importantly, I think it would eliminate at least some of the incentive to provide the excellent cabin and dining room service to which we've all (hopefully) become accustomed.
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Old June 13th, 2003, 04:11 PM
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I believe "tips" should be included. As part of their base salary, it is not truly a tip. What is important is the training of the employees. They should provide great service because they want to plus they are trained to. Good service should not go to the one pax waving bennies around, it should go to all pax. Good service should happen every day. You shouldn't be rewarding great service with a "tip" because great service should be expected.

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NO, NO, NO! When I go to a hotel here in the U.S. I'll almost always leave two or three dollars on the pillow in the morning if my room is prepared to my satisfaction. Why couldn't cruise lines raise the salaries of their employees by the other three dollars and increase the cost of the cruise by that much to compensate. This way the stewards would still get their 6 dollars a day. As for the all others deserving, waitstaff, etc. they'll still get tipped commensurately. On my first cruise I tipped daily and informed everyone involved that this was how it was going to be. They did not have any problem with this.
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NO way should tips be included in the fares. Each person should be rewarded(or not) based on the service they offer.
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Kuki:

Ouch, I'm getting beat up. You have sailed Seabourn. I understand Seabourn to be the most strict in their no tipping policy...staff are to refuse. So please help explain the benefits of inclusive tips and why those lines that HAVE great service (the luxury lines) are the ones that, for the most part, include tips in cruise fare.

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I definitely would like to see tips included in the cruise fare. If you would stop for a moment and think of it not as tips, but as paying the employees a decent wage, you might understand where I am coming from. The tips ARE their wages. On most lines, those employees to whom we regulary give tips are making only $45 or $50 per month. It boils down to this: No tips, no earnings. Now, if our base cruise price increased by $10.00 per person per day, we would never have to worry about tipping and the employees would never have to worry about getting stiffed for a week's hard work. And I don't go along with the argument that if they know they're getting paid no matter what that they will give you lousy service. Is that how you do your job? Most cruise line standards for employees are very high. Get a few unfavorable written comments and they'll replace you with the next guy waiting in line, anxious to have your job.

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To be clear... on the luxury lines.. Seabourn, Radisson and Silverseas, gratuities are included.

These are not HAL, where I think their policy simply confuses passengers. Tipping is not required on HAL, but it most certainly is expected.
The staff have a way of letting you know when it's tip night, without coming out and asking for it.

I think it's kind of funny that we're so accustomed to tipping that the general feeling is we wouldn't get good service unless we have the tip issue hanging over the service staff's heads.

The vast majority of service staff on ships work VERY hard and deserve their gratuities, which is essentially where their income comes from, so I do believe in tipping!!!

Personally I wouldn't be unhappy to see the cost of my cruise raised by $10/day, if I knew it meant everyone onboard was, and that the staff could no longer be stiffed. I would, of course, expect the level of service to be held constant by the training officers of the cruise lines. And would be vocal about it if it were not!!!!

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Default Re: POLL- Would U prefer to see TIPS INCLUDED

I agree with Mark, Kuki and Jennifer. I think if they raised our cruise fare $10 a day and that $10 went directly to WAGES and we were not required to tip, it would make it easier on everyone involved.

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No, I perefer to make my own choices. And even if the salaries do improve, what guarantee is there of perfect service?
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As long as the staff would receive the total of the prepaid tips, it might be a very good idea. This way it would make no difference to those of who do tip and it would be a good way to get the dead beats to tip.
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I agree completely with tippage being included in the cruise fare. And it does come down to WAGES.

Do I tip a bank teller who happens to be a real speed demon at counting money? Or who performs an extra service such as looking around for $2 bills? Nope.

Do I tip a person at the supermarket who goes on a search for a weird item that I couldn't find and comes up with it? Nope.

A smile and a thank-you goes a long way.

It seems to me that folks who KNOW how much money they are making and don't have to worry about the deadbeats WILL give better service.

How many times have you heard people "do the math" ??? The conclude that the waitstaff is really raking it in.

Maybe the cruiselines should figure out the (retail) value of the meals (as they do for cocktails and wine) and add 15% to THAT !!!

I wonder if waitstaff can sniff out the deadbeats on night #1 and don't put themselves out quite as much as they will for they those whom they intuit will be very generous at the end of the day?

There's also simple ignorance. People see a price and think that's what their cruise will cost. "Oh, look, Fred! Only $900!"

I can't imagine the day when a cruise brochure will say, in BIG RED LETTERS, WARNING! Cocktails cost about $6 including a 15% gratuity. You will be expected to pay staff gratuities in the amount of $XX per day, per person. Further, those exotic shore possibilities come with a cost which we will not disclose to you until you have made your final payment. On some itineraries, your shore excursions may equal, if not exceed, the cost of your cruise fare.

Please figure these items into your cruise budget.

I didn't think so.

The people wo suffer the most are the victims of the "last night out" folks. The waitstaff, the stewards. Some people blow all their cash in the casino or stroke out when they see their pre-bill to see what's going on the credit card.

Wouldn't it be cool to arm the tipped staff with (washable) spray paint to make marks on the luggage of the deadbeats?
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Pamda:

Well said. I don't understand not only why people feel they should tip these individually let alone why it needs to be in cash instead of on room.

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marc ....

We liked Don Vito's so much we went back a second time.

We didn't care much for the table wine after some of the really good stuff they had out pre-dinner, but after the second glass it began to taste better I read on another board that someone refused that table wine and demanded a replacement from the "top shelf". Tres tacky. And not quite the point of a trattoria.

Me, I think it's a darned shame that the tipped staff aboard mainstream ships live with that Damoclean sword over their heads. In some cases, no matter how hard they try, they are going to get stiffed. Why? Because the folks doing the stiffing know they will never be seen again. That's why I like the spraypaint idea.

But that credit card bill is going to show up next month.

So, I go with adding the tippage to the cruise fare for two reasons:

1. Passengers have a better idea of what their cruises will REALLY cost

2. Staff know that they will be paid a living wage and not subject to the vagaries of cheapskates, deadbeats, and such.
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We pay for our tips with our cruise. that way we get vouchers to put into our envelopes that last night and give to persons first hand. I think this is a great way of doing it. That way I can tip extra if warranted..So paying it with our cruise... We feel like it is included in our cruise. Happy cruising.. Please Tip the workers..they do deserve it all! Char
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I think there should be no tipping, meaning the employees should be paid a decent living wage, causing tipping to be unnecessary. I really like the "no tipping" policies of the luxury lines. There is no way service could suffer for a couple of reasons:

1) the cruise lines hold their employees to a very high standard, and if customers complain there are plenty of people willing to take that job - and the employees know this;

2) because people are not stiffing the employees, they make a lot more money than their counterparts on tipping-not-included lines, and therefore know they are fortunate to be in that job and work hard to keep it.

It makes me so angry to see people skip out on the last night at dinner so they don't have to tip the wait staff. If there were no tipping, I think everyone - both the guests and the employees - would be happier.

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My husband and I have noticed that since the cruise lines have their tipping included now, that the service has definitely deteriorated. We really liked it before, when you tipped at the end of the cruise. I feel the way they have it now is a big mistake. It makes things easier, but any effort to make things memorable is all but gone. I have a cruise coming up in four weeks, we'll see how this one goes.....Our last couple of cruises, the cabin steward didn't even introduce themselves and ask which seating you had so they could make up your room, things like that.....
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