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Old January 17th, 2006, 10:55 AM
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I’m a bit set aback by some of your comments directed at us!
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And while we consider you regulars to be our best customers, in practical terms we cannot justify making our business decisions soley upon what you think. Yes, you are our best customers, but you are hugely, hugely out-numbered by what comprises the profile our "average and regular" customers.
We really value you, and so we go out of our way a great deal. You have an open-topic message board (here in chit-chat), an open-topic photo-gallery, and we are keeping the chatroom open. But in reality if we ran it purely "as a business" as many companies do then we probably couldn't justify doing those things.
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You say that we are not “average or regular customers? and “as a business?, chit-chat is difficult to justify, but yet on the home front page one of your rotating endorsements you proudly boast from:

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Mabe we are not, in your eyes, “average or regular? but it is very evident (according to Fortune Magazine) That OUR chatting and our opinions are praised! I would say that you giving credence, and posting this on your Home page, must really attract them into the site. How can you insinuate we are hard to justify, or our existence here is a favor or even a burden?

I guess the only way you are going to address “THE REST OF THE STORY?, is being asked directly. Of course you could not reply to this, ignorance is bliss too some, or you could lie and spend the next few days covering up.

1. Has ownership of CruiseMates been changed or repositioned? If so, by whom and how? Is Anne and Paul still at the helm or is it now shared or repositioned? Will she or yourself leave in the near future?
2. Has Kuki’s involvement changed whatsoever and if so how? A couple of his self-posted California visits, for business, come to mind. Is he now owner (in whole or part), as most newbie’s has asked? Will he be here in the near future?
3. Has Paul Motter’s position or interest been changed or altered in any way? Will he be removed or changed in any manner?
4. Will there be any changes, in retrospect too, alphabetically Art, Dan, Donna, Harry, Luisa, Mary Lou, Mike, Pat, or Steve in the near future?
5. Will new moderators be put in place to fill the gap that has been so obviously needed?
6. Are there any other changes, that will happen, which will affect our Family?

As all of you know, I make light of almost everything, on this board. But I personally believe that this is a serious matter. I love this site and the Family that comes with it. After all I have recommended this sight to hundred or possibly thousand of times. Along with this recommendation I give some guarantees, which in the past have been offered without hesitation or regret, which are now questionable. I’ve always proudly premised my commendation with “you never have to worry about adverse language, porn, political insurgence, in your face sales, popups, or harsh indifference, because the boards are tightly moderated.
Where is this, betterment of philosophy that your promoting, at CruiseMates apply? Is your new management philosophy, what ever happens, happens, and we will eventually get to it?
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Old January 17th, 2006, 11:08 AM
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Very well put my Friend and Cyber brother.
edited....You know? I feel like I did and still do feel, when this new company bought us out. Everything is still in disorder. we don't know what is coming next, and some of our "work family" were moved out. Life is rough I quess. It sure is not fair sometimes. The biggest thing is, We were blindsided to start with.
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Very good questions Jason. I too recommended Cruisemates to many people. Total strangers on the ships. CD's from my last two cruises. I told them we were family.

Did you know that this site was created because of dissatisfaction on another site. What happened there has happened here.

It makes me very sad. I don't want this to be happening. I want to wake up and realize that it never happened. But I can't.

We are cruisemates. Changes happen, and I understand that, but we have gotten the impression that the changes were for money, and that isn't true. If it is, then the site is on it's way out.

I was told that soon, there would be no chat rooms. Is that true?

Can you still protect us like before? Do we still have the same safe guards? Have you now over burden Mike, with more work. God knows he works his self to near death now. Mary Lou and Donna work to make things right. Do they have to do more now?

I have no ill feelings with any of you. I have helped on this board, encouraged, and prayed for it's continued success. And even encouraged people to buy cabins on some of the up and coming cruises. I even changed TA's and went with one from here, because I knew it would support the site.

When will the next changes be told? they are there, but not told.

I just got an e-mail from a girl I met on the Conquest. I encouraged her to come here and be family with us. All of you wished her well, and now she sees what is going on and frankly doesn't understand. She's not alone.

There are people this minute who are asking questions on the Carnival board. We need to be helping, instead of doing this. I always told newbie's that we would be there for them, before and after their cruise. I can't say that right now, because I can't be sure that any of us will be here.
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Hear, here, well said and more good questions. Will we be the last to know?
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uhmm...I sort of answered this on the What happened post.

Please don't be angry for my opinion.
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FYI… Although it is not advertised much, Paul Motter is the “other? cofounder and owner of CruiseMates. He isn’t doing what’s told, it don’t get any higher than Paul…(?) Unless some of the questions I proposed remain unanswered.
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Just one question...

What was "broke" that had to be fixed anyway? Did I miss something somewhere that gives a real reason to why, other than just because?

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When over 40% of the posts on CruiseMates Message Boards are on TWO out of OVER SIXTY Forums, then the site is not catering to the broad universe of cruisers. These message boards have catered to chit chat and Carnival cruisers and have ceased to provide service to the rest of the cruisers out there.

I have noticed for a few weeks that Anne and Paul have become more involved in the message boards. They have been answering questions on "Ask Cruisemates Staff" board and visiting and posting on many of the other forums. They are trying to expand the focus and clientele of this site. ChitChat is not the center of the universe. I wonder if they are doing this in response to feedback from their advertisers.

They can remove this ChitChat forum, get users to use Search before posting the same question for the thirty-third time, and keep on topic and (I think) have a much more useful site. Of course, we can still all be family and post about our cruises and post a joke now and then. However, CRUISING should be the focus of CruiseMates, not ChitChat.

Just my two cents. I didn't want to post on this subject because I am just a customer, not owner of cruisemates. I just felt that TexasFyre had the best input and I wanted to pass along my feelings, too.

Anne and Paul, keep up the good work!
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Sorry... like is said, I don't know the chain of command.
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You are welcome to have your beliefs. But again I must take offence to your statements against chit-chat. I have been around here since the near beginning and the registration for posting has had a thousand fold increase. The chit-chat group has more hits than any other. You have seen for yourself that once a cruise is booked most jump in. The idea of a web site is to attract as many hits as possible so people can see the advertisements. May I ask; I’m having a problem in phrasing this and apologies in advance if I offend you. You’ve cruised before Cruisemates, did you start booking through the CruiseMates clients when you became a member? If you did, than Bingo it worked. If you didn’t than that, in my honest opinion, is a charade. Personally I would feel guilty using all the resources here and not giving back. I’d hope most people feel this way… but hey, that’s how I roll… two years ago I booked a 60 day $27,000. cruise through a CM advertiser because of it.

PS I couldn’t find the question asked 33 times that you had referenced. The question may sit unanswered for a bit, till the person that knows the correct answer arrives, but it is better than giving an incorrect answer.
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I guess I misunderstood what this site is all about. I know the primary purpose is to be a place to get information about cruising. Is that the only purpose or is that the direction in which it is heading? The powers that be have every right to make it whatever they want it to be. I don't have to like it, but I will deal with it. I love cruising, but it isn't the most important thing in my life so maybe I shouldn't be posting here. I'm just wondering about this stuff. Lots to think about these days.

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Jason, in over two years, you have had only one post not on ChitChat (one Cruise Gripes post). With all your cruise experience, why aren't you on the Cruise Lines or Cruise Destination boards answering cruise questions for the thousand that come to this site but don't post on ChitChat?

I have nothing against ChitChat board; I think it is wonderful. I also like all the times I have met fellow posters. I just would like to have a strong set of Cruise Message boards. I gave up on cruise critic a couple of years ago because of the way the boards headed, I would really like to not see CruiseMates head in same direction.

My comment on asking a question 33 times is not based on a specific example, it is the lack of use of search capability. This is a frequent area of disagreement on many message boards.
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Just in case it helps - when I'm not cruising I go to the Chit Chat board - it keeps us all together and posting like a family - when there I then check other boards to see if I might help with some questions about the cruise lines. BUT I'm not going to just go to those boards with no cruise booked - I go to chit chat first and always. This way I keep up with everyone and not just the ones sailing on particular lines. As in many of you I have so far sailed on three lines - ccl, rcl and ncl and want to cruise them all one day. Hope all is well. I've been on the other message boards and have found the people on this one to be the BEST! That after I was one of the first members of the board that this one I believe branched from. I found this one when asking about the people I missed and weren't posting anymore on the other board years ago. Hope nothing changes - but such is life if so. Debbie
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If not for the chit-chat board, I would have never booked the Cruise of the Century. I booked it because of alot of people from this forum are going. I bookd through Nancy and recieved quotes for other cruises from advertisment on this site. I have a lot on my plate right now and I know for sure that cruising would be the last thing on my mind if not for this site and the people I know on it.

The chit-chat gang IS the reason for my second cruise booked.
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I liked your questions jason, and I think we deserve some answers.
In the last few days I've felt like my family was breaking up and I don't understand why. I like it here, I don't wanna go anywhere else, but if we are "not important" and not cared about, then why should we stay?

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I liked your questions jason, and I think we deserve some answers.
In the last few days I've felt like my family was breaking up and I don't understand why. I like it here, I don't wanna go anywhere else, but if we are "not important" and not cared about, then why should we stay?
That's what I've been thinking lately as well! Well put Donna!
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2. Has Kuki’s involvement changed whatsoever and if so how? A couple of his self-posted California visits, for business, come to mind. Is he now owner (in whole or part), as most newbie’s has asked? Will he be here in the near future?
I've been on a CM cruise for 15 days, and just returned tonight. Until I left for this cruise Jan. 6, I haven't been to California for quite a number of years, so I have no idea where that's coming from. While I CERTAINLY understand some people being upset with some of the staff being let go, I don't think inferring all kinds of changes, and backing them up with FALSE information is helpful.

I've been away, and everything that happened occurred while I was cruising, with really horrid Internet access, so couldn't keep up with all the postings.

For the record, I don't own ANY of the CruiseMates web site, and have no idea where that's coming from. MORE misinformation. I simply "work" here (though I don't consider it work, in the true sense of the word, in that I'm not making my living here).

For the record CruiseMates didn't begin because of changes to any other web site
... more misinformation.

For the record, the Chit Chat folder, was originally my idea (that Paul and Anne implemented) as a spot that by definition was OFF Topic)... a place for the community to simply "chit chat" between cruises... and if you think Paul, or anyone else, don't think it's important, I think you are misinterpreting his comments to fit your own conclusions.

Though the "chit chat" folder's posters are the most prolific posters, Paul is saying that the vast majority of visitors to the site visit other areas of the web site... the feature articles, reviews, reader reviews, etc. And that's because there's a wealth of CRUISE information on the site.

And all of that is FACT.

CruiseMates is a commercial, advertising supported, web site, and like any commercial venture it costs money to operate, and is expected to produce profit.
The premise is pretty simple, if people visit, and support the companies that advertise here, those advertisers will continue to want to advertise, and the site goes continues to be exist and be free to all users.

If people visit, and do not "support" the advertisers, the advertisers do not want to advertise, and the site can not continue to exist.

There's no evil motive, or behind the scenes conspiracy to destroy anything on the site. It's simple economics, and for anyone to expect someone to keep the site going using their own money, so we all have a place to visit isn't very realistic.

Honestly, I can't think of any other cruise site on the net which would allow any of the questioning of reasoning for management decisions to remain on the boards AT ALL.

There's no question PEOPLE are what make this site tick... and each one is important to "the business", but I'm very surprised, and amazed, that anyone thinks because they post here that they've got some sort of right to ask questions about the inner working of the company.

And to suggest that we deserve answers to these questions because we post here and are members of this community, is really pretty ludicrous if you think about it.

I was off course very upset that some of my best friends were let go as "staff". I was the one who encouraged Tweety and Trip to join the CruiseMates site, and over the years we've become TRUE REAL life friends. They've been to my home, and we've grown relationships which go way beyone cyberspace.

I'll ALWAYS be loyal to my friends, because they are my friends, and will always remain my DEAR friends!!!! And I'm also loyal to CruiseMates, because without it, we would never have become the friends we are!!!!

I've met MANY ( hundreds and hundreds) wonderful people because of CruiseMates! And for that I feel I owe the site, much more than it owes me!!!!

In the end, if everyone in "Chit Chat" want to support and contribute to CruiseMates, to make it a bigger and better community, I do think everyone should make it part of their responsibility to expand their prescence on CruiseMates, and visit the other message boards on the site, and help answer the questions of people visiting the site for cruise information.

Chit Chat is an important part of CruiseMates. But it's not all that Cruisemates is about. The CM group cruise we just returned from had just under 100 people in the group, and not one of the people in the group (other than me) post in the chit chat folder.

We had a simply terrific group of people, and everyone got along splendidly, and we made some great NEW friends.

And though this may sound "hokey" to some of you, when the cruisemates people onboard talked to others about the great time they were having, and the great package they got, we were the envy of many other passengers on the ship.

Bottom line, I don't think anyone here is trying to destroy the "family feel" of the Chit Chat folder. But they certainly would like to see everyone here making other people who visit the site a part of it, and help them find the information they are looking for at the same time!

Personally, I think the term "family" is overused. I view us as a community. A REALLY GREAT community. And as in any community, there are some people who become the very best of friends, and others who enjoy each other and enjoy doing things with each other (such as cruising), and still others who avoid each other because they don't get along all that well. But in a GREAT community, there should be room for all of that... even those who don't get along, as long as they don't publicly call each other names, or try and put each other down.

It's been a long travel day for me, and it's late, and some of this post my be rambling, and seem to be nonsensical... but there you have my initial thoughts
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Jason.. that's not quite right. The idea is for people to see the advertisments and use the advertisers services.

For example if I run radio or newspaper advertisments for my bar, if they don't generate more business, I don't spend those advertising dollars in the same place.
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Donna.. I'm honestly curious as to why you think you deserve answers.

You deserve answers about the message board functions, and changes, but why does anyone think they deserve answers about the managment decisions for a privately owned web site.

And even if you were told about some behind the scenes people, none of who you even know, how could it possibly affect your experience with them.

When I was with Cruise Critic, serving the same function, that Tweety and Trip had been doing here when I left to join CruiseMates I was banned from the sitr completely, and they even had AOL go so far as to shut down my old original screename.

In this situation, CruiseMates has invited these people to stay onboarf. and post, and remain a part of the community. Just the pay (which is very small token) is gone.
It the removal of the token payment, and removal of the staff moniker from their signature, I'd be very disappointed if they stopped.

That would show they were doing the job "for the money" and "whatever itty bit of "celebrity" being part of the staff carries with it, not just because they enjoy the people here.

By doing so, it certainly sends a clear message that their loyalty is to the site, not the few $ they getting for all the hard work.

Trip has already mentioned that she'll be staying and Iappluad for showing the loyalty to the rest of us... rather than sulking off because she doesn't get the "official title' of "staffer". Now she's doing it for the altruisitic reason.... she wants to help!
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I have been self-employed for quite some time and would not want anybody to tell me how to run my business. Having said that, I agree with you that as a privately owned business only the shareholders can make decisions on how their business will be run.

There's one reason and one reason only why a company exist and that is to make a profit. If something or someone stands in the way of maximizing profits, shareholders must remove that obstacle, it's that simple.

From your above post, I come to one conclusion. ChitChat is not profitable.

I know I'm not a shareholder and it's really none of my business. But, just out of curiosity, is ChitChat an obstacle of maximizing profits? If you don't answer, I won't make anything out of it except that it's something shareholder should consider.

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I have not posted hardly anything and wanted to stay out of it with the exception to say that I have made many wonderful friends here that will be hopefully lifelong friends and that I have dedicated myself to the smooth and friendly operations of this website from day one. But for you to post this; "That would show they were doing the job "for the money" and "whatever itty bit of "celebrity" being part of the staff carries with it, not just because they enjoy the people here." is an insult and slap in my face! I CHOOSE not to post or come here anymore as I do not feel welcome by the owners of the website and certain members of the staff. I did nothing for money and just did this because I was doing something that I loved and believed in. I have never and will never tell people this is a bad website as it is the people that make a website and there are some wonderful people here. I have moved on to another place where I do feel welcome and I am not getting a dime for it. Your backhanded insults to me that I have endured over the least few years I am not going to listen to anymore.
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Jim you have edited my posts many times,but after I fumed I realized you had a job to do.Take Care Jim,and continue to cruise with us
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In this situation, CruiseMates has invited these people to stay onboard. and post, and remain a part of the community. Just the pay (which is very small token) is gone.
It the removal of the token payment, and removal of the staff moniker from their signature, I'd be very disappointed if they stopped.

That would show they were doing the job "for the money" and "whatever itty bit of "celebrity" being part of the staff carries with it, not just because they enjoy the people here.
Jim.. think you should re-read my post. You've taken once pargraph and made it an insult... which it was not! It COULDN'T have been for the money, because as I stated above, I know it was barely a "stipend" people were receiving. It would have been tough finding a place to go dinner with the CruiseMates pay check

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as I do not feel welcome by the owners of the website and certain members of the staff
I see just the opposite, and stated so above. The owners of the site have invited ALL of the staff who were let go to stay and participate. That's why I told the story above, about when I was left AOL's cruise site, and rather than allowing me to visit, they shut down both my "hosting" screen name, and the private screen name I had before I became a part of their staff.

It they didn't welcome you, and Tweety and Trip to stay on as part of the community (without pay) they simply could have banned all concerned.
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CruiseMates, and the people who post here have helped me with cruise info several times.
I hope everything calms down soon for everyone and wish everyone the best.
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Hi,
I believe that keeping a group of very experienced cruisers around through chit chat to be beneficial. They go to the other message areas and help answer questions. It is hard to tell who is on staff and who is not. At least when you first come to the site. Many of my early questions were answered by regulars who are not staff members so for me I took a long time to notice who is and is not on staff. The regular chit chat posters who do not use the services of the advertisers, indirectly help the advertisers by being enthusiastic and helpful to the potential customers. All of this at no extra cost for the time spent by the regular poster who does not get a salary. The fringe benefit to the chit chat area poster is the use of the site and its message boards at no expense. Measuring the monetary benefit of the chit chat area is like trying to figure out the cost of a disatisfied customer.
Of course, if advertisers are not getting business then that is a problem.

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