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Old March 19th, 2007, 08:09 PM
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Grand Canyon West, a destination owned and operated by the Hualapai Tribe at the Grand Canyon’s western rim, announces March 28, 2007 as the official public opening date of The Skywalk. The Skywalk will be the first-ever cantilever shaped glass walkway to suspend more than 4,000 feet above the canyon’s floor and extend 70 feet from the canyon’s rim.

Does this interest you, or make you sad....I have never been to the Grand Canyon, but I feel sad that this sacred place has been built upon, but on the other hand, the Indian tribe behind this is almost broke.. arguments for both sides I guess

The walkway has glass sides, and a glass floor!! Afraid of heights? Better pass on this one!
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I'm not afraid of heights, but I have to say "Nay." The Grand Canyon is something everyone needs to experience. It cannot be captured on film. It is just incredible and the walkway is sooooo ? unnatural?

Trip, you must plan a trip out West and plan a side-trip to the Grand Canyon!
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Flew over it a couple weeks ago. You can actually see the new platform from the air. I agree that it's unsightly, but the view from it must be amazing. So it's a split decision.
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I am scared of heights; (I don't get too near railings on teh cruise ship ) when we went to the Grand Canyon I had to sit on my backside and scooch to the edge to take a picture.... so if they let me scooh across the walkway I may be able to do it, otherwise I don't think my legs would move
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Nay for me. not a fear of heights but a fear of falling, only has to be a few inches if the place is right for it to get to me.
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It is another example of man trying to improve on nature. I say; nay, maybe the indian tribe needs the money, let them open a casino like the Seminoles have in Florida. The Hard Rock they own in Tampa is a golden egg. We were at the Grand Canyon in 2004. Wow, you can not discribe the scope of the beauty. We stayed in the lodge, hiked down part way, saw the sun rise and ate in the restruant on the edge.
I would like to return and stay longer.
Most people look at it and leave after a couple of hours.
Just one of the many natural wonders of the world.
We are trying to see as many as possible in our lifetime.
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Hard one to call IMHO,been to the "Canyon" and the natural beauty needs to kept as orignal as possible.
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I've seen it on TV, something I'd like to see, but not necessarly walk on it. Looks pretty scary to me, but the view, OMG.
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Not me!! To scared of heights. Would love to see the canyon.
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Nay! They have besmirched a natural wonder.

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There is not enough money in the world to get me on that thing. I almost died on the Costa Atlantica a few years ago with a glass staircase that only went up 2 decks.....had to be helped back down to take the elevator!

As far as the "ethical" question here, whether or not it should have been built on such a natural wonder, I equate it with cruise ships: anything that is beautiful, affordable, creates a sense of wonder in mankinds' abilities, helps people to learn about the world and teaches people is, in my mind, a good thing. I cannot see any harm in this structure.
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A cruise ship in front of a glacier also "besmirches" the whole thing....

Yet, we go....
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Wouldn't catch me on that thing! I couldn't even step on the glass floor high above the CN Tower in Toronto, and my legs turned to Jello watching my kids do it!
As for it's aesthetic properties, probably not. Just let Nature be Nature....

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I'd have to say "nay". Haven't been to GC yet, but would probably not do the walkway (too scary for me). I'm sorry the Indian tribe is almost broke, but wouldn't this money have been better spent on educating the tribe members so thery can become self-supporting? Just a thought.
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I actually lean toward the positive on this. I have mixed feeling on the exploitation and alteration of natural resources for profit but it's been done for many, many years. The tourist industry is a common example of this.

This Indian tribe has tried a number of things to try and raise money and earn an income, including gambling, most have had little success. Let's face it, opening an Indian casino, in the middle of nowhere and two hours away from Las Vegas isn't the best idea in the world and it failed miserably. The area around the west rim is desolate and there isn't much that can be done with the area and water is not easy to come by. The tribe has to truck it in.

Access to the area is not as easy as it is to the, much more popular, south rim. You must travel dirt roads and "facilities" are not as plentiful.

The money for the bridge did not come from the tribe but came from an Asian investor. The investor will get a return on the investment and the tribe will get a portion of the profits and also will build other attractions in the area. Eventually the tribe will own the bridge. When that will happen is unclear.

This part of the Grand Canyon belongs to the Hualapais Indian Nation and theirs to do with it as they wish. (Within limits) There is always an underlying sentiment that it's their land and nation but only for what "we" want them to use it for and only if it benefits the the non-Indian people of the state or community.

I do worry that things will go "too far" in terms of the safety of helicopter tours, building of hotels and over exploitation and expansion.

I have seen some of this in the exploitation of the fishing resources on some tribal lands here in my own state but I have also seen some good success stories where tribal lands have been turned into self supporting communities instead of the hovels of poverty they once were.

I hope they can make a go of it and do it responsibly and make a better life for themselves while doing it and not be taken advantage of by outside sources.

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Mike,
Well stated! I too have mixed thoughts.
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to their credit; they built a relatively small platform (it only holds 120 persons at a time) and didn't build some huge walkway with piers/levels and that holds thousands of people; it could have been worse.

my concern is the maintenance; i.e. the see through plexi-glass at one of the hotel/casinos in Vegas costs something like $200,000 per year; of course that hotel has the budget for it; the glass section isn't very big

with the walkway, I think they said the ticket price was $25.00 or maybe less; I don't know if the number of people it could generate in a year would cover the maintenance for the walkway which has to be somehwere in the range of $200k or more; so hopefully the maintenance doesn't drain the coffers of the tribe.
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I would probably do it--if I could find enough pennies in my pocket...is this glass walkway all enclosed? I'd probably feel safer there than just trying to get close enough to the grand canyon to get pictures without falling in.
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I would probably do it--if I could find enough pennies in my pocket...is this glass walkway all enclosed? I'd probably feel safer there than just trying to get close enough to the grand canyon to get pictures without falling in.
it is not all enclosed; it has a plexiglass panel about 4 1/2 feet high -- it looks downright scary!
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I've heard of a people obtaining, "Grand Canyon Divorces". "Honey, just take another step back so I can get you in the picture. One more step, one more, one more, one more........................ahhhhhhh.

This may cut down on a few of those.

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Mike that is funny -
it may also cut down on the people trying to hike in the Canyon and getting lost only to be helicoptered out - I assumed that taxpayers paid for the helicopter ride, but someone told me the person getting lost got hit with the tab??
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I vote Nay...because......................(insert your favorite reason why not)
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Mike, I guess now people will say they "just fell off"like they claim on cruise ships.
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To my knowledge the Grand Canyon is over 200 miles long, that’s, perspective against something that is maybe less than 30 metres wide. Who is it hurting? And in an area that is so far out of the 5 miles that the current "tourists" to the Grand Canyon currently hit.

And some would have this tribe build a casino, instead of a platform to bring tourists, mmm

Two hundred miles, a 30 odd metre wide platform, get a grip on your reality and the scale of the natural wonder that is in your country and how this platform is but a dot in that scale.

But important to those left behind in this 200 mile attraction
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Mike, I guess now people will say they "just fell off"like they claim on cruise ships.
I am sure someone will try to either bungee jump from it or skydive from it. sheesh, if they want a "high", seems to me there are other ways
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Point of the whole thing missed for many reasons, cant believe how shallow some people think
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was reading an article on the skywalk one of the things I found intereseting is that they are making you wear protective booties on your shoes so as not to scratch the glass.....

also I saw a quote from a reporter who said that being on the walkway felt like being on a cruise ship as you can feel some movement.


and bummer: no cameras allwed on the skywalk:
Located at Grand Canyon West's Eagle Point, The Skywalk is open from dawn to dusk, seven days a week. The cost of walking on The Skywalk is $25 in addition to the purchase of a Grand Canyon West tour package. The Spirit Package, $49.95, is the lowest-priced option and includes the Hualapai visitation permit, access to all points of interest at Grand Canyon West including Guano Point, Hualapai Ranch and Eagle Point, choice of an all-you-can-eat buffet or cowboy cookin' and photo opportunities with Hualapai Members. To maximize visitors' experience, a limit of 120 people are permitted on The Skywalk at any one time. To avoid scratches and slipping, shoe covers are handed out prior to walking and guests are not allowed to bring carry-on items on the glass. Although cameras may not be taken on The Skywalk, photos are available. Lockers are provided for guests to store personal belongings.
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Not be able to take a picture, after all the effort to get there, and the cost of it? NO WAY!
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