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Old April 9th, 2007, 05:02 PM
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Considering how unorganized the crew of the Sea Diamond was last week during that tragedy, how many think it would be any better on any ship that you might possibly be on? Sure, training during the calm times is fine but when the tension is racheted up 1000+ times, what do the crew and passengers do? This can apply to any situation, at sea or on land.

My personal experiences are that calmness gets thrown to the wind as everybody wants out of the situation NOW!! It is the truly rare times when calmness is the norm.
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Considering how unorganized the crew of the Sea Diamond was last week during that tragedy, how many think it would be any better on any ship that you might possibly be on? Sure, training during the calm times is fine but when the tension is racheted up 1000+ times, what do the crew and passengers do? This can apply to any situation, at sea or on land.

My personal experiences are that calmness gets thrown to the wind as everybody wants out of the situation NOW!! It is the truly rare times when calmness is the norm.
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Old April 9th, 2007, 05:35 PM
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Considering how unorganized the crew of the Sea Diamond was last week during that tragedy, how many think it would be any better on any ship that you might possibly be on? Sure, training during the calm times is fine but when the tension is racheted up 1000+ times, what do the crew and passengers do? This can apply to any situation, at sea or on land.

My personal experiences are that calmness gets thrown to the wind as everybody wants out of the situation NOW!! It is the truly rare times when calmness is the norm.
This can be true...But having worked in an ER and with other emergency personal...training and preparedness should not be discounted.

Some people will panic no matter what, it’s a DNA thing...but a surprising number of the general public can react with calm direction if they have something to focus on or someone to direct them.

Hysteria IS contagious...someone screams and runs and then you have a crowd screaming and running...The key is to nip the hysteria before it gets out of control. This has a better chance of success if you have efficient, well trained personnel.

I’ve read numerous accounts of near air plane disasters, floods, fires etc. where ‘Joe’ public did quit well when calm direction was given.

I vote to give us, the public, all the direction, information and help you can BEFORE an emergency. I like knowing what to expect and the options available.

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I have had some cabin stewards who couldn't find the wash clothes!! I worry about them trying to lead anyone to safety.
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Old April 9th, 2007, 06:12 PM
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There are many accounts of airline personnel who have acted calmly in an emergency and saved lives. I don't know why it couldn't be the same way on a cruise ship.

For all we know, maybe the crew on the Sea Diamond never drilled or practiced. We also don't know what their standards for rescue rules and procedures were.

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Mehawk: due to the fact that it is a cruise ship and so many people are engaged in different activites, spread throughout the ship, etc and the fact that no one has their life vests "within reach" at all times, I fear that any emergency such as the recent one will be chaotic with passengers fleeing to their rooms to get their life vests and then the last mad grab for personal items.

It would be nice that with modern technology that a personal flotation device couldn't be incorporated into a travel bag or fanny pouch type item that you would have with you at all times, whether you are at dinner, pool, casino, or whereever, so that when the call to muster is sounded all one would have to do is grap their bag/fanny pack or whatever, pull a cord adn "poosh" a personal flotation device inflates. I am sure that it could be invented! It just seems that if you are running for your room to grab a life vest, precious time is lost, plus if your room is in the lower levels of the ship you may be heading into danger.
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Mehawk: due to the fact that it is a cruise ship and so many people are engaged in different activites, spread throughout the ship, etc and the fact that no one has their life vests "within reach" at all times, I fear that any emergency such as the recent one will be chaotic with passengers fleeing to their rooms to get their life vests and then the last mad grab for personal items.

It would be nice that with modern technology that a personal flotation device couldn't be incorporated into a travel bag or fanny pouch type item that you would have with you at all times, whether you are at dinner, pool, casino, or whereever, so that when the call to muster is sounded all one would have to do is grap their bag/fanny pack or whatever, pull a cord adn "poosh" a personal flotation device inflates. I am sure that it could be invented! It just seems that if you are running for your room to grab a life vest, precious time is lost, plus if your room is in the lower levels of the ship you may be heading into danger.
We actually used such "personal flotation devices" aboard ship in the Navy, but we kept them at our "general quarters" (battle) stations. In an emergency, the Navy follows the same basic procedure as cruise ships -- first, call everybody to their "muster" ("general quarters") stations to account from everybody, then proceed to an orderly evacuation from the muster stations if it's necessary to abandon ship.

Many cruise lines now use lounges and other public spaces located near the lifeboat stations as muster stations, as this approach gets the passengers to sheltered locations where they are out of the way of members of the crew who are dealing with any likely emergency while permitting an expeditious evacuation if it really does become necessary. In real emergencies, the shelter from the elements is important because the passengers are likely to remain at their muster stations for several hours. Nonetheless, the percentage of emergencies in which it actually becomes necessary to evacuate the ship is in fact quite small so it's a mistake to construe the general emergency alarm as a sign that the cruise line is about to provide a complimentary -- but mandatory -- "grand survival adventure" for all passengers and crew.

I should also mention that the cruise lines always have extra life jackets available at each muster station to accommodate any passengers who cannot get to their cabins to get their life jackets, etc., due to the nature of the emergency.

Finally, I should also point out that the "Safety of Life at Sea" ("SOLAS") treaty made significant changes to international law governing inspection of ships. Prior to SOLAS, only a ship's country of registry could inspect a ship for compliance with international safety standards. Many countries either conducted very lax inspections or inspected ships only when the ships registered there actually called there. Thus, many shipping companies evaded inspection by registering old tubs in countries where they never called. Under SOLAS, every company has the right to inspect every ship that calls at its ports, regardless of registry, for compliance with the SOLAS standards -- which, BTW, are quite rigorous -- and many countries, including the United States, really do conduct such inspections. The SOLAS inspections by the U. S. Coast Guard, which are notoriously thorough, include observation of emergency drills in which each member of the crew must carry out or simulate what he or she would do in a real emergency with the inspectors watching. Most of the ships of the major cruise lines marketed in North America now conduct emergency drills for the crew at least weekly, using an impressive spectrum of scenarios, to ensure that the crew is proficient when the U. S. Coast Guard or similar authorities of other nations come aboard for a SOLAS inspection.

But the Greek government apparently remains quite lax....

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From Norm's post:

I should also mention that the cruise lines always have extra life jackets available at each muster station to accommodate any passengers who cannot get to their cabins to get their life jackets, etc., due to the nature of the emergency.

Certainly aware that there are life jackets placed in various parts of the ship; however, there is always the chance that there are not enough; depending on the nature of the damage to the ship, availability to get to lower decks, etc.

I for one would certainly be more comfortable knowing that some sort of personal flotation device was within reach at a moment's notice; it seems that the current system is just inherently CHAOS.
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Certainly aware that there are life jackets placed in various parts of the ship; however, there is always the chance that there are not enough; depending on the nature of the damage to the ship, availability to get to lower decks, etc.

I for one would certainly be more comfortable knowing that some sort of personal flotation device was within reach at a moment's notice; it seems that the current system is just inherently CHAOS.
Ah, you know those nice wood benches on the promenades of many cruise ships?

Do you realize that they actually are storage lockers full of life jackets?

And do you realize that each lifeboat also has its own supply of life jackets that's sufficient for the number of passengers that it normally carries?

And each muster station also has storage lockers with plenty of life jackets to make up for any lack.

So don't worry. If you and other passengers can't get to your cabins to get "your" life jackets, there will be plenty of spare life jackets available at your muster station.

But the reality is that it's preferable to have passengers go to their cabins to collect (1) warm clothing (especially in cold waters), (2) medicines that they might not have on their persons, and (3) wallets, passports, etc., in addition to their life jackets.

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Dare I mention that how long you could survive afloat with you portable floatie is a function of water temperature? Absent a drysuit and thermals you would not do very well for very long imitating a drunken Carnival passenger in Alaskan waters.
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