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Old April 11th, 2007, 11:38 AM
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I feel for NCL, because they have ut so much effort into making Hawaii a profitable cruise market, and they get no respect for it.

Now they are taking a ship specifically designed for the Hawaii market and moving it out. All that will do is limit the choices for the people who want to take an NCL-America cruise to Pride of Aloha or Pride of America.

Pride of Hawaii is the best ship they have over there, and its decor is Hawaiian flavored ( I hear, I have not actually seen it). I would prefer to see them move one of the other ships to Europe, but the question is which one?

Pride of America has a very American theme, with highlights of US sites like the capital building, Monticello, New York City, etc. Do you think they chose NOT to send that ship to Europe because there might be some anti-American backlash to the ship? I mean we are not exactly very popular over there right now.

That would leave Pride of Aloha, the oldest ship, to go to Europe. Would that be a better choice than Pride of Hawaii.
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Old April 11th, 2007, 12:21 PM
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Paul: This is the first I've heard this....I, too, am very surprised NCL would chose Pride of Hawaii over Pride of Aloha. I'd be interested in their reasoning for this.
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Europe is hot right now and NCL wants a piece of the action. I personally believe that NCLA hasn't had the success they wished for in Hawaii. The decision to pull a ship out of the islands backs up that belief.

I personally would pull the Pride of Aloha out. It originally was the Norwegian Sky and is not as favorably completely set up for Freestyle cruising and with, port intensive, European itineraries it would be a good fit. They have refurbished it so there are still multiple dining choices for cruisers and it has a greater passenger capacity than the, currently deployed, Norwegian Dream.

I do agree that the "American" themes of Pride of America would make it a poor choice and perhaps a target (sorry, but that's the world we live in) for some anti-American sentiment.

No matter what choice they make NCL believes they need to maximize their revenue and the Hawaii market isn't where they can do it and Europe is where they can.

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Good point, Mike. They can make just as much money selling Pride of Aloha and Pride of America in Hawaii as they can with the Pride of Hawaii, but they can probably make more with Pride of... Europe? (nee Hawaii) in Europe than they can with the others.

Personally, I think Pride of America would be cool in Europe, for the Europeans, but I guess Americans might not like the idea so much. It's a tough business, isn't it?
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I sailed the 2 day inaug of the Pride of Hawaii, and she's a beautiful ship. She was newly built specifially for NCL America, and Freestyle... but aside from her Hawaiian decor, perhaps like the other Prides of... , she comes with all the modern amenties the "average" cruiser has come to expect, and that's likely why they think she's better suited to attract the crowd cruising Europe.

They'll like make room on her for a casino now, to build additional onboard revenues.
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That would leave Pride of Aloha, the oldest ship, to go to Europe. Would that be a better choice than Pride of Hawaii.
Probably. Did NCL, though, ever plan to keep three ships in the Hawaii market? After the last ship was built and put into service, could it be that their intention all along was to move one of them? It would seem to me that three ships sailing exclusively in Hawaiian waters might be a bit much. Maybe NCL was having difficulty keeping them all filled week in and week out.

So, it seems logical to me that NCL would move one of the ships to another market. The only question I have is will that ship remain a part of NCLA, or will it revert to the NCL Corporation and thus take on a foreign flag. If they were to do that, they wouldn't have to staff it with American crew any longer ... thus not subjecting the corporation to U.S. wage and hours laws.

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I am sure NCL planned to make all thre NCLA ships. It took a tremendous amount of effort to make those ships what they are, All-American crew, just so they could stay in hawaii.

They bring a tremendous amount of tourism to Hawaii, yet they got bashed a fair amount by the local media. There were problems, but they were not NCLA's fault, to run an American cruise line you need to make more money. They tried, but the market got dilluted and they couldn't stabilize higher prices.

NCL with re-flag Pride of Hawaii as a non-US vessel, but they have said they hope to take her back there some day.
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I am sure NCL planned to make all thre NCLA ships. It took a tremendous amount of effort to make those ships what they are, All-American crew, just so they could stay in hawaii.
With the price of lodging in Hawaii, I honestly don't understand why all three ships didn't sail full every week. If people used those ships for nothing else than a hotel room and meals, they would be getting a great deal. I remember my one land trip to Hawaii back in 2000 for a writer's conference on Maui. I spent well over three grand just on lodging for ten nights ... and that amount didn't even include meals. When you consider that by taking an NCL ship for a cruise around the islands, you not just get a bed to sleep in each night, but unlimited meals and entertainment, a cruise comes out to be a far better deal. Also, as an added bonus, you get to see all of the islands without the need to add the extra expense of flying between them.

Oh, well ... maybe at some point the demand will pick up and all three ships will be plying Hawaiian waters again.

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