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Old July 3rd, 2007, 10:58 AM
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And this man is teaching children...how scary!
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The most scary part of that story is he is a teacher. We entrust young people's education to someone that dumb. I say we garnish his wages until the cost for his rescuse is paid in full.
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Here's the article from one of our local tv stations, it includes some photos of him being taken away in handcuffs.

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I will repeat what I said in the good morning post:

"I notice another idiot jumped from a Carnival ship. Seems he and his drunken buddies were trying to cut a lifeboat loose and when confronted by the crew he decided to jump. Carnival should immediately take advantage of this by changing thier advertising slogan to " Carnival -- The Fun Ships -- Jump right in!!!" Sadly, this is reinforcing the view some have that Carnival is line for the young, drunk and stupid. Marj sailed with them once and swears never again, doubt she will change her mind any time soon. "
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What if this man is everything people says he is, and while sitting at the table that day, he turns his back, and someone for some stupid reason, put something in his drink. This story is different than the others, because he was trying to get away, by jumping in the life boat. Sounds like paranoia to me.

This wouldn't be the first time something like this happened. "She was one minute sounding and acting normal and then the next thing I knew, she was acting wild, drunk, and abusive" Have we not warned our kids to be careful sitting a drink down, and not watching it?

As for it being a teacher. I hate to break it to you, but teachers have faults too. It doesn't make them a bad teacher, it just makes them human.

As for Doug's comment..... no comment

When did we stop saying "Thank God he's alive, and we wish him well?"

Have we, the ones who just a year ago, mistrusted the news, for picking out every little thing that went wrong on cruise ships, to believing everything they say?
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Funny - no reports specify what he was arrested for though the pictures do look like he was cuffed.

he should be arrested - and this is the FBI we are talking about.

My DW points out that on Windstar they warn you in the cabin that if you break the toilet by flushing anything not allowed you will be charged for the repair.

This is a federal, legal matter now, not just cruise line policy. It is up to the government to take action.

Congress should say "jumping from a ship is a crime, and if a rescue operation is mounted you will be held responsible for the cost of the rescue effort." And I am sorry to say it, but it should also include suicide attempts as well. If a person truly has "nothing" to live for then it won't matter. But for those with means who do it solely for attention (the drunk guy who jumped through the window on Carnival because his boyfriend wanted to go out and party) should have to pay the price.

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Sorry Luanne...

I believe it is buying into the same hysteria the sensationalist sites are promoting by even suggesting someone slipped something into his drink. Just because he is a teacher he still could (literally) go off the deep end.

You are right, it might be paranoia, of the type induced by certain illegal drugs. But I doubt if anyone slipped it to him if that is the case.

the reports said he boarded with friends and they all started drinking immediately. It was party time, as in "let's get crazy."
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Like I stated on another post:

"Friends don't let friends drink and dive"
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And this man is teaching children...how scary!
Hopefully, only in the past tense....

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I will repeat what I said in the good morning post:

"I notice another idiot jumped from a Carnival ship. Seems he and his drunken buddies were trying to cut a lifeboat loose and when confronted by the crew he decided to jump. Carnival should immediately take advantage of this by changing thier advertising slogan to " Carnival -- The Fun Ships -- Jump right in!!!" Sadly, this is reinforcing the view some have that Carnival is line for the young, drunk and stupid. Marj sailed with them once and swears never again, doubt she will change her mind any time soon. "
doug, the fact is that many younger people have never been taught the value of a dollar. They spend without thinking have no plans of putting away money for retirement or saving for homes. I work at the FD and it is amazing to watch the newbies who are 19-21 yo. They spend their day at work calling each other on cell phones discussing where they are partying tommorrow. Ask them if they signed up for our depts IRA program and their answer is always "I don't have enought money to spare for it right now" yet they party constantly and all run out and buy $40,000 trucks as soon as they get hired and they don't even earn $40,000 a year. It's classic that when a few years later they meet a girl and get married they all of a sudden need 3 jobs and they walk around totally stressed. so basically the mentality of younger people is spend like their is no tommorrow and carnival likes that kind of thinking.
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What if this man is everything people says he is, and while sitting at the table that day, he turns his back, and someone for some stupid reason, put something in his drink. This story is different than the others, because he was trying to get away, by jumping in the life boat. Sounds like paranoia to me.

This wouldn't be the first time something like this happened. "She was one minute sounding and acting normal and then the next thing I knew, she was acting wild, drunk, and abusive" Have we not warned our kids to be careful sitting a drink down, and not watching it?
If that happened, it should be readily apparent in the ship's security videos.

Also, as a school teacher, he should have had enough "street smarts" go be aware of such possibilities and thus should have taken reasonable precautions -- like not leaving his drink unattended -- to prevent such an occurrance.

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As for it being a teacher. I hate to break it to you, but teachers have faults too. It doesn't make them a bad teacher, it just makes them human.
Do you really want somebody who acts totally irresponsibly and whose coping skills are seriously lacking to have a leading role in teaching life skills to young people?

How many more lives will be afflicted if his students fail to develop the coping skills that he lacks?

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When did we stop saying "Thank God he's alive, and we wish him well?"
I think that we all hope that he will get the help that he needs somehow, somewhere. Nonetheless, I find it hard to criticize those who are appalled at the societal cost of his action. The U. S. Coast Guard expended signifiant resources to dispatch a cutter and a helicopter to the scene -- resources that had to divert from other missions such as interdiction of drugs and other smuggling activity (which, BTW, is the primary mission of the U. S. Coast Guard).

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The United States Coast Guard is a military, multimission, maritime service within the Department of Homeland Security and one of the nation's five armed services. Its core roles are to protect the public, the environment, and U.S. economic and security interests in any maritime region in which those interests may be at risk, including international waters and America's coasts, ports, and inland waterways.
The Coast Guard provides unique benefits to the nation because of its distinctive blend of military, humanitarian, and civilian law-enforcement capabilities. To serve the public, the Coast Guard has five fundamental roles:

Maritime Safety: Eliminate deaths, injuries, and property damage associated with maritime transportation, fishing, and recreational boating. The Coast Guard's motto is Semper Paratus—(Always Ready), and the service is always ready to respond to calls for help at sea.

Sorry rev, their primary role is not catching drug smugglers. If it was then we need a new coast guard.
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Anyone who would ruin their vacation by jumping from a cruise ship, should expect to have a problem with the police. My husband and I have cruised 5 times and they were all on a Carnival ship. We like the Carnival ships. I can't blame Carnival for the behavior of some. We have always had a really good time and we didn't run into anyone who was out of line or so drunk that they couldn't tell what they were doing. I hope that continues.
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Funny - no reports specify what he was arrested for though the pictures do look like he was cuffed.

he should be arrested - and this is the FBI we are talking about.

My DW points out that on Windstar they warn you in the cabin that if you break the toilet by flushing anything not allowed you will be charged for the repair.

This is a federal, legal matter now, not just cruise line policy. It is up to the government to take action.

Congress should say "jumping from a ship is a crime, and if a rescue operation is mounted you will be held responsible for the cost of the rescue effort." And I am sorry to say it, but it should also include suicide attempts as well. If a person truly has "nothing" to live for then it won't matter. But for those with means who do it solely for attention (the drunk guy who jumped through the window on Carnival because his boyfriend wanted to go out and party) should have to pay the price.

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http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/loc...ocal-headlines
The FBI investigated Sunday's incident because it has jurisdiction in high-seas cases. According to Judy Orihuela, a spokeswoman for the FBI's Miami office, no charges will be filed and Durbin will not have to pay for his rescue.


http://www.canada.com/calgaryherald/...11bf71&k=41243
Rescuers plucked the Rockville, Md., man from the water about 80 kilometres east of Boca Raton, Fla., early Monday, the U.S. Coast Guard said. He was not facing any charges.


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Petty Officer 1st Class Dana Warr said the Coast Guard did not plan to charge Durbin for the $21,000 cost of the rescue. In most instances, the agency doesn't charge people they rescue unless they're called out on a hoax, he said. The FBI, which interviewed cruise ship officials, investigated because the incident occurred in international waters. Orihuela said the agency did not plan to charge Durbin.

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The United States Coast Guard is a military, multimission, maritime service within the Department of Homeland Security and one of the nation's five armed services. Its core roles are to protect the public, the environment, and U.S. economic and security interests in any maritime region in which those interests may be at risk, including international waters and America's coasts, ports, and inland waterways.
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Maritime Safety: Eliminate deaths, injuries, and property damage associated with maritime transportation, fishing, and recreational boating. The Coast Guard's motto is Semper Paratus—(Always Ready), and the service is always ready to respond to calls for help at sea.

Sorry rev, their primary role is not catching drug smugglers. If it was then we need a new coast guard.
I'll stand by what I said. The coast guard came into eing to stop smuggling as part of an effort to enforce tarriffs, and that remains its primary mission. Over the years, it has taken on additional duties including maritime safety (also primarily law enforcement). Rescue at sea actually is the duty of every vessel on the seas, as set forth in international maritime law. The U. S. Coast Guard simply has the ability to muster more resources than anybody else when there are distress calls in U. S. coastal waters due to its considerable presence along the entire U. S. coastline, so there are invariably U. S. Coast Guard assets able to respond when a distress call comes in. Thus, the U. S. Coast Guard factually does conduct a lot of search and rescue even though search and rescue is not its primary mission.

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Yet another black eye for the cruise industry that is not deserving of it.
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