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Old April 21st, 2008, 12:29 PM
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I had totally forgotten about the POTUS being in town for the next two days with the North American Summit...I had a meeting scheduled today on the West Bank and I had to cancel it because the only main highway into the city is shut down both ways for over 30 minutes in peak driving time when the POTUS goes from the airport to the city and then it backs up traffic for hours because all of the streets in downtown are blocked off

however, if you have ever at the opportunity to see Air Force One at an airport near you, it is a very powerful sign of power and prestige plus it travels with a really cool escort of Air Force F-16's

in light of current fuel prices, I wonder how much it cost to operate AF 1 per hour
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Whatever aircraft POTUS flies aboard is designated as "_____ One", where the blank portion is whichever service the aircraft is from.

For example, if it's an Air Force plane, then it's Air Force One. If it's a Navy aircraft, then it's Navy One, and so on.

For the VP, it's "_____ Two".

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I have had the opportunity to see the plane on several different occasions, and it does give you a sense of importance.

If the President is on his Helicopter, it is called Marine One.

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good one Luanne ::....

ok Mean Dean, show us southerns how smart you northwest folks really are

what is the call sign designation of the 747 that is for the exclusive use of the POTUS, when the POTUS is not onboard, but the 1st Lady is when she is on official business on behalf of her husband ? (AR should know this one in his sleep)
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So the Big Easy is coming face to face with the prez and his secret service buddies, huh? Welcome to our world. Don't get me started on the secret service. They have an important job to do, but their collective egos combined with their unbridled paranoia sometimes make our town unavailable to the people. It's gone way overboard. I could tell you stories. . .

Anyway, the registration numbers for the two 747's are N28000 and N29000. The previous aircraft, the 707's, were N26000 and N27000. JFK came home to Washington from Dallas on 26000, and Nixon left town in the same plane. In fact, Nixon's flight to California took off with the call sign "Air Force One," and landed as "N26000." When the pilot heard that Ford's swearing in was complete, he asked ATC to change the call sign.

They're beautiful aircraft, and the guys at Andrews keep them looking and running like new. For years, we had a neighbor across the street who was an Air Force Sergeant and flight attendant on the 707's. I remember that once, in kinder, gentler days, she took our kids to Andrews on "family day," and they got to crawl around the hangars and the planes. That was one of many things, I think, that got Matt interested in flying. She was always bringing them goody bags from the planes, so they grew up on presidential M&M's and, of course, jellybeans.
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AR..I knew I could count on you (you let Mean Dean off the hook)

one of my son's favorite movies is "Air Force One" with Harrison Ford and the part when the F-15's came to the rescue, probably had some influence on him wanting to fly the "Strike Eagle"..of course he now enjoys flying the F-22 Raptor..but when the POTUS was in Alaska a few years ago, my son's F-15 squadron was able to fly escort for AF1 and my son still talks about that honor

It's just one awesome aircraft..I understand AR's "buddies" at the Secret Service, had issues with the special effects folks on the movie set for AF1, because they did not want the movie to reveal too much about the interior and weapons systems..however any regular viewer of "The West Wing" saw the "mock interior"

AR..the current POTUS has visited us ALOT since Katrina but this is the first time it's interfered with my schedule..next time he should check with me because we would not want anything to interfere with BLOG2NOLA next Feb..::
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One of my favorite scenes in "Airforce One" is when Harrison Ford, says "Get off my plane" I love it.
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I remember when Bill Clinton came to Champaign, for a visit I think it was probabl in about 1998. It wasn't all that cool or glamourous though because Air Force had to stay behind when the President went on to his next stop... because the pilot turned too wide and got the thing stuck in the mud. Now that was a great moment in presidential history lol!

They also had the nerve to make me late for work, but at least he waved at me when he drove by.
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Everybody who's ever flown 747's is pretty much unanimous that taxiing the damn things is the hardest part of the job.

A neighbor who is a retired 747 captain for United always says that he respected the airplane tremendously, but that he preferred flying the smaller planes. He once told me, "when I went to the 47's, I couldn't figure out whether I was in the flying business or the hotel business."
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Everybody who's ever flown 747's is pretty much unanimous that taxiing the damn things is the hardest part of the job.

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As a pilot, I can confirm, and tell you with confidence, that taxiing almost any aircraft is the hardest part! Airplanes were meant to FLY, not move around on the ground.

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Ken..when my son was at Edwards AFB test pilot school, he flew a variety of aircraft but said that the most fun was flying the Goodyear Blimp..he compared it to driving a submarine..unlike a conventional airplane that generates lift from it's wings, the blimp gets airborne by managing it's own buoyancy and has the abiity to fly backwards..of course he also loved the A-10 Warthog because of the GAU-8 gatling gun and loved flying a vintage P-51 Mustang, the "F-15" of it's day
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Speaking of the P-51, if the POTUS were in it -- it would be Air Force One.

Or an Army Blackhawk helicopter would be Army One, etc.

It isn't the aircraft that's the "_____ One", it's whichever one the POTUS happens to be on at the moment that's "_____ One."

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Ken..when my son was at Edwards AFB test pilot school, he flew a variety of aircraft but said that the most fun was flying the Goodyear Blimp..he compared it to driving a submarine..unlike a conventional airplane that generates lift from it's wings, the blimp gets airborne by managing it's own buoyancy and has the abiity to fly backwards..of course he also loved the A-10 Warthog because of the GAU-8 gatling gun and loved flying a vintage P-51 Mustang, the "F-15" of it's day
Among Marine Corps and Royal Air Force pilots, the AV-8B Harrier II has a reputation for being a lot of fun to fly. It's a fixed wing aircraft designed to hover for vertical/short take-off and landing (V/STOL). Although primarily an attack (strike) aircraft, the ability to hover also allows it to do some very interesting maneuvers in a dogfight!


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I've seen the Harrier fly many times. Man, is that thing LOUD..........!

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the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter is designed to take the place of the Harrier and it's mission is multi functional and will be flown by several NATO nations
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Mean Dean...you are so right about the Harrier being loud..I don't think that aircraft could sneak up on the enemy

So Mean Dean...when the infamous "Mission Accomplished" landing on an aircraft carrier was carried out, was that aircraft designated 'Navy 1"
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Venice my friend,

Yes, that S-3 Viking, that "W" piloted for a moment, was indeed call-sign, Navy One.

As for "Mission Accomplished", a Roman Senator once complained that conquest is easy -- it's the control afterward that's difficult.

Of course, history never repeats itself...........

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spoken like a true man of letters, Mean Dean...fyi there was an article in our local paper last Sunday that says "our girl" Jeanne T., will be shooting a movie in New Orleans early next year...I'm excited, maybe she will be here next February during BLOG2NOLA and you and I can invite her to a pre cruise drink at the Zulu Aid and Social Club
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I've been told by some close Marine Corps friends who know, that the Harrier is absolutely the most difficult aircraft to fly, known to man! They say that if you think a helicopter is tough, you "ain't seen nothin' yet". I'd absolutely love to fly a P-51, but have never been given the chance, even though we do have the EAA convention and fly in once a year here in Lakeland. As far as a blimp, I actually did get to fly aboard, (not at the controls) of the Goodyear Blimp once, many years ago. It's a really strange feeling, as from the gondola, you see nothing around you except the mooring line way, way out in front. (Flying backward is a treat too)

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Oh, wow, you're in Lakeland?

While making a film down that way once, the husband of our production assistant was a lawyer and part-time stunt pilot. He took me up in his Steerman (and gave me the front seat, a leather helmet and a scarf, of course) out of Lakeland airport, and then a buddy of his took me up in his fabric-covered Waco biplane. This plane was so cool. The instrument panel was all wood. It looked like an old station wagon. Always loved biplanes.
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That certainly was the plan. Unfortunately, the F-35B (V/STOL) variant ran into some weight issues, and can carry only half of the payload (ordinance, reconnaissance pods, etc.) stipulated in the original the specification. In particular, it can't carry standard 2000# bombs. Thus, I suspect that the Marine Corps will retain the AV-8B Harrier II as an attack plane and relegate the F-35B primarily to fighter duty.

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Oh, wow, you're in Lakeland?

While making a film down that way once, the husband of our production assistant was a lawyer and part-time stunt pilot. He took me up in his Steerman (and gave me the front seat, a leather helmet and a scarf, of course) out of Lakeland airport, and then a buddy of his took me up in his fabric-covered Waco biplane. This plane was so cool. The instrument panel was all wood. It looked like an old station wagon. Always loved biplanes.
I'm with you AR on loving the old biplanes. Not only do we have the "Sun n Fun" here once a year, we have a small tourist attraction very near where we live called "Fantasy of Flight". It's owned by a guy who dearly loves old airplanes, and he regularly flys many of them around the area, so it's not uncommon to see a P-51 or Steerman, or even an old C47 fly over. I can always hear the big round motors coming, and dash outside to see what's up in the sky. 8)

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I agree on the beauty and powerful prestige of the presidential aircraft.
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Ken..where is "here?"..my son is station at Eglin AFB in Panama City and he would love to visit to see the antique airplanes
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Ken..where is "here?"..my son is station at Eglin AFB in Panama City and he would love to visit to see the antique airplanes
'Here" is Lakeland, Florida. If he has a chance to stop by the area, by all means, have him give me a call. I'd love to chat with him, and perhaps buy him a cup of "Joe" or whatever, and thank him for his service. Needless to say, you are more than welcome here too Venice!

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Ken ..thanks for extending the invitation for both my son and I ..we may take you up on it and bring my 4 year old grandson who will of course be a future Air Force fighter pilot like his Dad
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