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As luck would have it last Sunday I ran into the Salsa instructors that volunteer to teach our Special Olympic Athletes Salsa several years ago, that I did not master (but the Athletes did)

I told them about the upcoming BLOG2NOLA cruise and that CQ (The Salsa Queen from New Jersey) was going to be onboard and they offered me some dance lessons but wanted to know what style of Salsa did I want to learn

Cuban-Columbian-Mambo-Los Angeles-New York-Dominican (which they are and teach)-La Rueda

CQ..which style do you dance so I can learn so we can burn calories untill 4 am every night on the dance floor & what style of Salsa do other Cruisemates prefer ?
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I prefer mine with Roma tomatoes, garlic, more green chillies and less jalapeno, light on the cilantro.




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Cuban and Columbian

Merengue

I've seen the New York Salsa but I need to learn it. I also want to learn Cha-Cha and Mambo.

Dancing burns a ton of calories.

As long as you can keep up with me I don't take rest breaks, drink breaks or potty breaks. Dancing straight through the nite!

I hope you are a good lead. You know the woman has the easy part in latin dance as long as she knows the steps the rest is up to the man to lead the dance.

I love dancing in the disco too.

See the guy below dancing with the blonde in the red dress he is a good lead!
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I would tell them L.A. style to start with.

L.A. style breaks on the One count, which for most of us is the most natural response to the Latin salsa rhythm. NY style resembles Mambo and breaks on the Two count, which is tougher to hear and feel, especially for beginners, imho.
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I'm with Snooz on this one......I can eat it but I can't dance it.

Actually, I don't dance at all. Liz should have known something was up when I asked her to dance and when we got on stage I proposed to her !

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I like salsa the dance floor, not in my dip. Yes I am a meat/potatoes bland type of guy.

I do a lot of ballroom/latin dancing, incl salsa and mombo. Gayle is righ-on about the starting on the first beat in salsa and the second beat in mombo. I love both dances, but prefer the mombo because you are dancing "into the floor" whereas salsa is a much more relaxed dance and easier to learn. Both dances are counted as quick-quick-slow weather you start on the first 9 (for salsa) or second beat (for mombo).

I don't believe it makes a whole lot of difference which style you take because once you get the salsa beat and music in your blood through a little training you can easily adapt to any style.

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I don't believe it makes a whole lot of difference which style you take because once you get the salsa beat and music in your blood through a little training you can easily adapt to any style.
Jim I agree with you if dance is in your blood you can pretty much learn any style if you have have a good teacher!

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Hey there cruisequeen, we have to have a dance together at least once on a cruise some day......Jim.
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I just hope I don't step on your feet!

You are more advanced with all the styles of dance. I'm more limited but I learn fast!

I'll just keep cruising with Royal and hitting Boleros every nite and picking up some new moves and I'll be advanced in no time!
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As luck would have it last Sunday I ran into the Salsa instructors that volunteer to teach our Special Olympic Athletes Salsa several years ago, that I did not master (but the Athletes did)

I told them about the upcoming BLOG2NOLA cruise and that CQ (The Salsa Queen from New Jersey) was going to be onboard and they offered me some dance lessons but wanted to know what style of Salsa did I want to learn

Cuban-Columbian-Mambo-Los Angeles-New York-Dominican (which they are and teach)-La Rueda

CQ..which style do you dance so I can learn so we can burn calories untill 4 am every night on the dance floor & what style of Salsa do other Cruisemates prefer ?
If you want to learn the Salsa (or any other dance), your best option is to contact your local Arthur Murray Dance Studio (or a quality independent studio if there are any in your area) for lessons. The Salsa actually is the "street version" of the Mambo, but, like most dances, it's very easy to go from the "real deal" to the "street version" and much more difficult to go the other way. Arthur Murray might be a bit more expensive than some "fly by night" dance instructor, but Arthur Murray International generally does maintain high standards for instructors at their franchise studios. Also, the Arthur Murray network has studios in areas where independent ballroom studios simply don't exist and their lesson packages are transferrable if you have to move for any reason.

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I would tell them L.A. style to start with.

L.A. style breaks on the One count, which for most of us is the most natural response to the Latin salsa rhythm. NY style resembles Mambo and breaks on the Two count, which is tougher to hear and feel, especially for beginners, imho.
What you are saying is true, but you really need to learn the right way (the Mambo style) sooner or later. If you learn the wrong way first, you have to break the instinct to do it the wrong way in order to become fluent doing it the right way.

Norm, who first learned the Cha Cha the wrong way....
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Venice,

Really want to turn some heads? Just get out there on the dance floor in those El Greco Boots and do the JitterSalsaBoogieMambo.

CQ, I think it's be worth it to just sit that one out and watch.
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Norm!!

How can you say that!! lol Salsa is salsa. Mambo is mambo. To quote my salsa instructor "quit arguing about the one or the two, just dance." I can do both, but it's more fun and funky doing salsa, for me anyway.

Not sure what happened to you in chacha class, though. There are only three kinds of chacha that I know of -- American Standard, International and the kind that someone made up because they were never taught school figures in either of those disciplines. Did you get your money back???

For anybody reading this (Norm?) I'm desperately seeking a single guy to share a cabin with a guy in my dance friends group going to the Mediterranean Nov 3rd. Great deal, lots of fun, you don't have to be a dancer to go. We do this every year to somewhere, and dance our fannies off. Dance classes with real instructors included. :o) Chacha is my best dance and I'll save you a few.
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How can you say that!! lol Salsa is salsa. Mambo is mambo. To quote my salsa instructor "quit arguing about the one or the two, just dance." I can do both, but it's more fun and funky doing salsa, for me anyway.
Well, if you are referring to my comment about Salsa being the "street version" of Mambo, I can say it quite factually because it's true.

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Not sure what happened to you in chacha class, though. There are only three kinds of chacha that I know of -- American Standard, International and the kind that someone made up because they were never taught school figures in either of those disciplines. Did you get your money back???
What happened to me in "chacha class" was that I fell victim to well-intentioned but woefully ignorant Physical Education teachers in my high school who thought that ballroom dancing should be part of the Physical Education program. They taught us to dance to the count, "One, Two, Cha-Cha-Cha" -- which, in restrospect, should have been an immediate red flag because the dance is the Cha Cha rather than the Cha Cha Cha! Alas, when I got joined the ballroom dance club in college, they taught me the right way -- left, back, forward, cha-cha to the right, right, forward, back, cha-cha to the left, to the proper "One, Two, Three, Cha-Cha" count that's essentially required in competion.

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For anybody reading this (Norm?) I'm desperately seeking a single guy to share a cabin with a guy in my dance friends group going to the Mediterranean Nov 3rd. Great deal, lots of fun, you don't have to be a dancer to go. We do this every year to somewhere, and dance our fannies off. Dance classes with real instructors included. :o) Chacha is my best dance and I'll save you a few.
I'm going aboard GTS Infinity this Sunday for two weeks and won't be home until the fourth. I hope that there will be some other dancers on that cruise, though!

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Rev I looked into Arthur Murray and boy is it expensive. :o An Arthur Murray addiction would cost me thousands a year.
Right now I'm enjoying my Zumba classes. I'm having a blast!

Todd I think I'll pass on the JitterSalsaBoggieMambo! I'll sit on the side lines and watch and enjoy a Mojito!

Here is a simple Cha-Cha!! Anyone can pick this up quick!
Enjoy everyone! 8)



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Norm,

When I wrote before, I hadn't scrolled up far enough to see anything but your second message. I missed the one about Arthur Murray and salsa being a street derivative of mambo. I was commenting on your statement about learning mambo first as opposed to cleaning up bad habits from salsa.

I do agree that salsa is a street derivative of mambo. I also agree that anyone who is serious about dancing well needs to go to a dance studio like Arthur Murray or a highly regarded local studio where they teach an established and recognized curriculum.

But "street" dancing is not really that anymore, I don't think. Unless you're competing in ballroom circles, you'll probably do better socially to know some of the more current so-called street dances. Even Dancing With the Stars and So You Think You Can Dance are recognizing Salsa, East and West Coast swing. Lindy and Hustle as legitimate dance forms. Benji Schwimmer and his sister Lacey are West Coast Swing champions.

Queen, you can take group dance lessons and learn all the basics you'd ever need to know for a lot less money. The private lessons the studios sell you are a good value if you're serious about fine tuning your dancing and you can afford it. In the meantime, I'd love to see your whatchamajigger boogie thing. Got video?

I'm really glad you're headed out on a cruise, Norm. I just wish it was in my group's empty berth. Dang!! as they say here in the South. Hope you find some dancers to hang out with!
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Hey Gayle, got your info on the dance cruise; I am now back home, so I will look at the cruise.

You are correct Arthur Murray (AM) is a very expensive place to lean to dance, but there are many advantages, some of which are pointed out by Norm. Although I am now taking lessons elsewhere (from an Arthur Murray trained teacher), I started at AMs (for seven years) and there is no doubt in my mind that AM is head-and-shoulders above all others for students new to dancing. I get lots of compliments and many of the ladies I dance with say they can always tell when their partner in a dance is AM trained. AM has strict testing before a student is permitted to advance to a higher level.

Also, it seems very expensive, however, a student isn't forced to take a private lesson each week (costs are based on private lessons) and when the number of group classes and dance parties are taken into consideration, then the actual hourly cost is comparable to non-AM studios. Just stay away from their competitions and guest teacher private lessons as both are quite costly.

Sorry didn't mean to sound like an AM advertisement, but I has a great experience and appreciate the quality and variety of their training. Also, they have a very good social atmosphere.
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CQ,

And I'll be right alongside you with my bourbon and coke urging Venice to "work it on out."

For gosh sakes, bring a camera!

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I CAN always tell an AM guy!! You're right, Jim! AM guys start the chacha the right way, the Fred guys start it wrong. Norm, your gym teacher probably had a beginner ballroom class at Fred's.

Just a clarification on my response about the cost, DancingQueen was having a mild cardiac event about the cost of the lessons over at AM. I was just trying to point out that she could learn a lot in the group classes. You and I both know that group classes lead to private lessons, because once you start, you gotta look as good as the advanced dancers. We just need to get her in the door first. It's like heroin, DanceQueen. You just need a taste...

Jim, let me know if you've got questions. As an incentive, I'll throw in a really cool Dancers & Friends commemorative tee shirt and tip your cabins steward to put extra towel animals on your bunk.

Btw, you don't have any heart conditions, do you? Once my girlfriends hear you're an AM guy, you won't have a minute's rest. 8)
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When I wrote before, I hadn't scrolled up far enough to see anything but your second message. I missed the one about Arthur Murray and salsa being a street derivative of mambo. I was commenting on your statement about learning mambo first as opposed to cleaning up bad habits from salsa.

I do agree that salsa is a street derivative of mambo. I also agree that anyone who is serious about dancing well needs to go to a dance studio like Arthur Murray or a highly regarded local studio where they teach an established and recognized curriculum.

But "street" dancing is not really that anymore, I don't think. Unless you're competing in ballroom circles, you'll probably do better socially to know some of the more current so-called street dances. Even Dancing With the Stars and So You Think You Can Dance are recognizing Salsa, East and West Coast swing. Lindy and Hustle as legitimate dance forms. Benji Schwimmer and his sister Lacey are West Coast Swing champions.
Yes, but the legitimate studios teach all of these dances -- and they teach them correctly! In fact, most of these dances (including Salsa, East and West Coast Swing, and Hustle) are now part of "ballroom" competitions. But if you see two couples on a dance floor, one who learned the correct way (good posture and connection, proper "Cuban motion," etc.) and another who did not, the difference is immediately obvious -- and the former look decidely more stylish even if the latter are doing flashier moves.

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I'm really glad you're headed out on a cruise, Norm. I just wish it was in my group's empty berth. Dang!! as they say here in the South. Hope you find some dancers to hang out with!
It was long overdue. My last cruise was a year ago!

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Rev I looked into Arthur Murray and boy is it expensive. :o An Arthur Murray addiction would cost me thousands a year.
Actually, most Arthur Murray franchises are very willing to work with people for whom cost is a major issue, so long as the people are reasonable. The deep secret is that the major studios really sell the private lessons, and that the group classes and studio parties are really FREE so long as you remain a student (that is, have private lessons left in your contract) and you use your private lessons at some reasonable rate (typically at least one or two per month, depending upon the owner of the studio). At most studios, students can go to two or three group classes and at least two hours of private parties per week. If you pay, let's say, $125 per private lesson and you use one private lesson every other week, you'll get about ten sessions of instruction and practice for your $125. This averages to about $12.50 per session -- pretty cheap! Additionally, they give bigger discounts for longer contracts and you usually can schedule the payments over the duration of the contract. You also can split the cost with a regular dance partner, if you have one. Also, note that the instructors dance with students at the studio parties so they really are great opportunities to practice what you are learning. Here, a "session" is typically an hour except in "high cost" areas where it's 45 minutes.

But yes, lessons at a worthwhile studio will come to at least $1500 per year even if you only use one private lesson per month. I don't know of any way around that.

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