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Old February 2nd, 2009, 01:22 PM
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My son was laid off from his job right before Christmas. He has a new baby to support and he has been searching for ANY job that would cover gas and pay a few bills. Right now, I'm paying all expenses.

My former spouse was laid off right after Christmas. He has over 30 years experience and he can't find a job.

Seems like I hear of this more and more each day.

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How sad to hear - will keep your son in my prayers so he gets something soon!

I worry about my dd and family, she's in the military but should get out in Sept., but with the way things are, I'm almost hoping she stays in - but there's pros and cons for going either way.

We can only hope things change and the sooner the better.

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So sorry to hear that Melody. It is so wide spread it will soon be that everyone has a family member that is impacted. Dear friends of ours relocated to Indiana a year ago with their four kids. They work for the same company, she got her lay off notice Friday, he got his today and they are a couple thousand kilometres away from the nearest relative. The only thing that will save them a little grief is that they had bought a foreclosure and only have a small mortgage.

At least your son has you to help him along, although I'm sure that will be stressful for you to say the very least. This is such a scary time filled with stress and uneasiness even for those in traditionally secure jobs.
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Sorry to hear of your sons layoff. About the only ones still hiring is the ever growing government. Perhaps he could apply his skills in that direction.I hope things work out.....MD
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My son was recently laid off also, along with all his co-workers as the company where they worked shut down.

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I worry about my dd and family, she's in the military but should get out in Sept., but with the way things are, I'm almost hoping she stays in - but there's pros and cons for going either way.
If I were still in I would certainly stay. No question on that.

Perhaps others should consider joining the service as an option. Its gotta be better than no job or welfare.

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It is bad out there. I was able to retire, but I have many friends that are still looking for work after the company moved to Indy from Palo Alto. I have no doubt if I were younger I would haver one heck of a time finding work. My daughter works in Bio Tech and that is one of the few bright spots here in California. M [/i]
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Up here in Northern Michigan, we are reliant on tourism - golf, boating in summer and skiing in winter. Many businesses are closing and we are reliant on Detroit/Chicago people and with those cities laying off so many, it trickles "up" to us.

It is a very serious time. Our small town newspaper carries Foreclosure Notices every day and it's sad to see neighors/friends/employees on that list.

I think back 6 months and remember I had a substantial IRA account - not any more. I am a 66 year old widow and still working full time (thank God!). I have no answers but simply empathy for those who are suffering so. We all did the right things but somehow it went wrong.

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It's so tough hearing and reading about these stories. The economy has taken a drastic hit. Hopefully it will rebound.

Up here, until the last few months, everyone who wanted to work had a job. People I knew were bringing in people from all over the world to fill jobs. Unfortunately, now many people are losing their jobs here as well.

This is a world wide recession. We just have to hope it doesn't go further than that. Too many, this thing seems like it happened over night, but it had been buidling for some time, and it's going to take some tough stuff to recover.

And Mel, you're a good mom for doing what you're doing, but that doesn't make it any easier.
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It's tough....my entire check goes to their expenses.......but it's better than the other option.....them moving back home. We did a new resume last night. Cross your fingers!

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For years my little section of Vermont has consistently had the highest unemployment rates in the the state - now...it is just unimaginable.
We have very little industry - what little we do have has now cute back drastically - many were laid off just before Christmas.
Ethan Allen Manufacturing - is now operating just two weeks a month - at least they are going to try to stay open operating on that level.
Columbia Forest products - they make veneer - is also operating at two weeks per month.
We have a helmet factory - that makes inserts for military helmets - some sort of bullet proof thing - they have cut hours way back and laid some off.
We have one other big employer, that hasn't really laid off or adjusted hours, we are all holding our breath - they are a tap and die facility.
If that downsizes then basically probably 75 percent of homes in our county will be effected.
Theses lay offs have trickled down...gas is higher here than any other part of the state, as are groceries...we have no discount stores.
Most of my neighbors are already affected .
I don't know how school budgets will pass when they come up for vote in March.

My daughter graduated in Dec. She is home, there are no jobs, for every opening there are hundreds of applications. Mostly people that have to support families...so she will be peoples last choice.
We are supporting her, as well as our son in college. My job is a non-paying job. We have four adults living on one persons salary.
I am trying to cut back as much as possible. Her college loans will be starting soon.

She does have some auditions coming up soon - New York next week,
Florida in the end of the month and Boston in the beginning of March.
I am praying that God opens a door at one of these because if she stays here, she will not be working. And she can't leave really if she has no job.
This also means either my son tries to find work near his apartment this summer, if there is no work there either, he can come home and we will shoulder all the expenses or he will stay down there and we will have to send him money.
It is truly a mess
From what I read and hear this is just the beginning and it will get much worse before it gets better.
My thoughts and prayers turn several times a day to those without jobs for it is a very scary position to be in.
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For years my little section of Vermont has consistently had the highest unemployment rates in the the state - now...it is just unimaginable.
VTJen, I am not belittling your pain; you are going through a serious time. However, the State of Vermont has done much of the damage to itself. As Robert Frost wrote many years ago, Vermont and New Hampshire are very different. The economic policies of Vermont government for many years has critically hurt the ability of Vermont to withstand the down turn.

One recommendation for your daughter is to join the Military. Many employers have always preferred veterans not just for their skills but also their leadership and devotion to duty. Your son might also see about joining ROTC to pay for remainder of his college and then serving.

Again, I am not being critical of anyone; these are tough times.
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Oh Marc I hear you. What most people don't realize that those that make most of the important decision in our state is not the voice of the true Vermonter.

One of our biggest problems is that we have so many implants that have moved in during I would estimate the last 30 years - they came up and over from Mass, CT and NY - they bought land cheap and escaped. They want to keep Vermont rural and their playground. They have lots of pull in Montpelier and in Burlington and some of the other bigger cities (and I do say that with a smirk, as we truly have no big cities).

Or other problems is that we are a small state, so we get groups from all over that if they can stop legislation or start legislation for their pet projects here, then they build up clout so to speak to help introduce the laws in other states, using us to set precedent. That is the case for almost all our environmental restrictions.

The "flatlanders" as we call all non-navite Vermonters have come and voiced their opinions, taken over most of the spots on local committees, school boards and town boards. They make the generational Vermonter feel like they are not smart enough, worldly enough or sophisticated enough to run for these posititons. Also, many of them have already made their money, so they don't have to work as hard to eke out a daily living.

Not that we could run this state without them, for if not for the non-natives we would have very little healthcare at all.

I live in what is referred to as the Northeast Kingdom of Vermont - this is a different voice and a different flavor than the rest of the state. Which is a blessing and a curse. It is beautiful, small town America for sure - picturesque and postcard ready. That is how the rest of the state wants us to remain. But in this day and age it is killing us. We need to be allowed to progress with the rest of the country. We still have too many places that are not cellphone friendly. You might not think that is a big deal, but it truly is - for it is on these backroads and by-ways that if you are having an emergency unless someone happens by, your are in a mess. Even places along the interstate there is no recption. God forbid you break done - there isn't many cars on our little northern section. I have been in that predicament - and it can be hours before you get help.
The don't want to ruin the view so they but many lives in jeparody.

We can't have wind power - ridgeline pollution. Can't have hydro power, one fish might not make it up stream. I doubt our nuclear facility will run much longer - it is old, and the evironmentalists hate it and will see it is closed - which means loss of more jobs.
We are not allowed to have any sort of box stores or industry in our portion of the state - they don't come out and say it, but the red tape and hoops people have to jump thru takes years....and I mean years - everyone gives up and moves their projects else where. I could just go on and on

To even do anything on your own property is a pain.

Yet a couple of well off business men have bought up all the grand old homes in the town and made them into welfare housing, and then advertise nationwide - so in the last 20 years we have had a huge influx of lo-income - lets be honest, no-income people move into our town. People who their only intention is to live off the welfare system. They are second and third generation now. They have driven up the cost of our schools and our health care and our taxes, as they do not contribute, but they do drain.
These men that own these buildings get the rents paid by the state...and fuel assistance, and they are living grand. But when it is town report time you see that haven't paid the taxes and the water, they only pay enough to get by .... knowing the city will never foreclose on them, as what would we do with these awful places.
Our local elementary school has about 80% of the students that receive special services which cost a fortune. I doubt you would find even 40 kids that have to pay for their lunches, the rest are all on free-lunch because of their parents lack of employment.
Of course this is the perfect place to come if you can tolerate the cold, because there are now jobs, so you can't be forced to work, but you can reap the benefits...of which there are plenty.


I get that they want this as a tourist destination...but tourist need places to pick up what they have forgotten at home, or places to spend rainy days, places to eat, shop...not everyone that comes just wants to spend every hour in the great outdoors.

Don't judge all of Vermont by what you hear on the news - they are the voice of only a few, and they are the only voices that are heard.
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VTJen, thanks so much for the information and insight. I must admit that I have only spent time in the southeast corner of Vermont and Montpelier. I knew of the fight against Walmart and other big box stores but not of the many other facts you present.

Thank you for taking the time to give us an insight into your corner of the world.
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That just isn't true. I work for the state of California and they cut all the employees hours by 10%. This is something that is always misunderstood Goverment does not grow when the economy is hurting.

When I was hired with the state about a year after I started I was put on the surplus employee list. People from that list were laid off. I wasn't because I was revenue producing. There is a new surplus employee list and laid off will happen in the goverment to. I have enough seniority right now to not be on the current list. No industry is safe from laid offs and pay cuts.
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Melody, so sorry to hear that your son has lost his job. So many companies now are, "trimming the fat". It seems that everybody knows somebody that has been laid off. Yesterday, Rob spoke to one of his cousins, and she was laid off. The sad thing is that this person became a widow within the past year. Several of our daughters' friends have been laid off. Let's hope that this worldwide recession ends soon; it is so hard to see people suffer.
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The State of Louisiana has a hiring freeze and it will continue until the end of the 09-10 fiscal year. We aren't getting our 4% merit increases either. There is talk of going to a 32 hour work week, which means everyone will lose 8 hours pay. I have 6 years and 10 months to go before I can retire. Let's hope my job lasts that long. It's tough in Louisiana. At least we have good food!

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Melody, my thoughts are with you concerning your work hours. In these tough economic times, it is a hardship for all but the lucky few. Let's never lose faith in better times to come!
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My company did TWO lay-offs right before the holidays. I was surprise that no one was really safe, we lost a lot of employees who had been with the company for many years. My boss told me yesterday that management had decided that raises for this year had been postponed. I told him that I'am just happy to have a job. My son is in the Navy and scheduled to get out in October. I have been trying to convince him that he needs to stay in. I think I've almost did that even though he turned my words back on me. I've always told my children that there are always jobs. It might not be the one you really want, but as long as it's a paycheck take it until something else comes along. Today, it is not that simple, there are just not jobs. I don't think any industry is safe these days, you just have to hope for the best and pray for those that are suddenly unemployed.
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Dear Party animal, you are right; your son should stay in the navy. My husband, Rob, started to receive a pension, last March, when he retired from the naval reserves as a lieutenant-commander. That extra money that he derives from his pension pays our mortgage and our utility bill. Not only that, we get Tri-Care for live; it picks up a lot of co-pays when we go to our primary doctor or when we see a specialist. Your son should take advantage of a "golden opportunity" that is being offered to him. If he doesn't have a college education; he should take advantage of getting an education while in the military.
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Trust me I'am trying, I think I've almost convinced him. He grew up a military brat, my husband is retired Air Force. His retirement pays for our mortgage as well.
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I'm in a similiar situation, Im employed but Im in auto sales and since June 2008 the sales have all but dried up. The clients I used to see every 3 years are now holding on to there vehicles and the ones that do come in are having a very difficult time getting financed because the banks changed their critiria. I personally made 45% less in 08 than 09. Thank god I have another skill that I might have to fall back on. I dont know how much longer I can do this
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Cross your fingers. The owner wants to interview Michael tomorrow. I hope it goes well.

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My son was laid off from his job right before Christmas. He has a new baby to support and he has been searching for ANY job that would cover gas and pay a few bills. Right now, I'm paying all expenses.

My former spouse was laid off right after Christmas. He has over 30 years experience and he can't find a job.

Seems like I hear of this more and more each day.

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Sorry to hear of your sons layoff. About the only ones still hiring is the ever growing government. Perhaps he could apply his skills in that direction.I hope things work out.....MD
That just isn't true. I work for the state of California and they cut all the employees hours by 10%. This is something that is always misunderstood Goverment does not grow when the economy is hurting.

When I was hired with the state about a year after I started I was put on the surplus employee list. People from that list were laid off. I wasn't because I was revenue producing. There is a new surplus employee list and laid off will happen in the goverment to. I have enough seniority right now to not be on the current list. No industry is safe from laid offs and pay cuts.
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When I left CA almost 5 yrs ago, local and state government was really taking a hit from the PERS 3% at 50 retirement for Police and Fire that many cities and counties adopted back when the economy was strong. I always had mixed feelings about it since I'm biased and believe that public safety folks should have a a better than average pension...At the same time though, I knew it was going to come back and haunt them at some point. Interesting state out there! lol.
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I too (for rather selfish reasons) recommend any branch of law enforcement. Yes there are layoffs there as well as everywhere else BUT if doesn't happen as frequently nor are they often permanent. If they are, the officer's training pretty much insures his quick re-employment with another governmental entity.

One of the greatest reasons why I am averse to increasing the number of years one needs to work to retire from the field of law enforcement with average pay and benefits are two-fold. It's still a relatively young person's job that often demands levels of physical endurance most over fifty just can't reach. I know for a fact that when I retired at 49 with 27 years on the job, my physical health had degenerated considerably. The guys and gals on the job today are in much better physical condition than were most of my "class" and there are a lot of fifty year olds today who are in better shape than I was in at thirty-five. Be that as it may, two years following my retirement I had the first of my three heart attacks. Another justification for an early retirement from such a profession (and there are other professions warranting a relatively early retirement in addition to law enforcement and fire service) is stress. Statistically, the odds at a decent longevity are minimal at best. I learned for instance that the sworn officer of one major department had a life expectancy of 56.5 years! Now I'm sure that statistic has increased if only because of the better physical condition uniformed personnel now keep themselves (unlike yours truly who had a four to five pack a day habit for over thirty years). Nonetheless it's the type of profession that doesn't pay great health dividends at the far end. Hopefully as time passes, that too will cease to be a major problem.

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I too (for rather selfish reasons) recommend any branch of law enforcement. Yes there are layoffs there as well as everywhere else BUT if doesn't happen as frequently nor are they often permanent. If they are, the officer's training pretty much insures his quick re-employment with another governmental entity.

One of the greatest reasons why I am averse to increasing the number of years one needs to work to retire from the field of law enforcement with average pay and benefits are two-fold. It's still a relatively young person's job that often demands levels of physical endurance most over fifty just can't reach. I know for a fact that when I retired at 49 with 27 years on the job, my physical health had degenerated considerably. The guys and gals on the job today are in much better physical condition than were most of my "class" and there are a lot of fifty year olds today who are in better shape than I was in at thirty-five. Be that as it may, two years following my retirement I had the first of my three heart attacks. Another justification for an early retirement from such a profession (and there are other professions warranting a relatively early retirement in addition to law enforcement and fire service) is stress. Statistically, the odds at a decent longevity are minimal at best. I learned for instance that the sworn officer of one major department had a life expectancy of 56.5 years! Now I'm sure that statistic has increased if only because of the better physical condition uniformed personnel now keep themselves (unlike yours truly who had a four to five pack a day habit for over thirty years). Nonetheless it's the type of profession that doesn't pay great health dividends at the far end. Hopefully as time passes, that too will cease to be a major problem.

Todd
Hey Todd. Great points. Congrats on your retirement and a pat on the back for your years of service. It's not a job that's easy on families and doesn't get any better over the years. Still, as much as I complain about it sometimes, there is nothing like it in the world! Take care.
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Interesting state out there! lol.
You said a mouth full I do Legislative analysis for the state. It's entertaining and kind of annoying to see the Governor and Legislature go at it.
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