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I've never been to Nassau but through news sources sources have kept abreast of what appears to be an extraordinary number of criminal events against tourists the past few years and to be honest, I'm really kind of shocked not to mention saddened.

While not as formal as Bermuda, the Bahamas I just accepted inasmuch as it is a former British possession, to still be the projection of that famous British civility and courteousness for which for decades, it was so famous. From what I've learned, it's now a far cry from the lure it's been to tourists from all over the world.

The Bahamas appears to be degenerating along the same lines as has Jamaica. If even this perception continues, the Bahamas will end up being economically devastated which of course is so sad given that all the Bahamians I at least have known, are friendly and outgoing people.

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It really is a shame, because as Todd mentioned, my many, many visits to Nassau exhibited only very nice, friendly, helpful people. It appears that they are, indeed, going to way of Jamaica, and will be another port to avoid in the future. I've always enjoyed my trips to the Bahamas, and Nassau, and hate to see this happen because of a handful of "bad apples". All the other wonderful residents of the Bahamas will suffer because of them.

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It also saddens me to hear this happening in Nassau. In the past I've felt somewhat safe there, guess that is not the case anymore...
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While not as formal as Bermuda, the Bahamas I just accepted inasmuch as it is a former British possession, to still be the projection of that famous British civility and courteousness for which for decades, it was so famous. From what I've learned, it's now a far cry from the lure it's been to tourists from all over the world.
Have you been to England recently .

One incident says nothing about a nation or society. I grew up in East Tennessee and know that recently in Knoxville there has been a particularly horrific double murder involving young people as well as a church shooting. Sad as these are, they aren't an indictiment of Tennessee or the United States.

Would anybody here counsel a tourist from Bermuda to avoid Tennessee or the United States based on its danger? (Tennessee is one of the more violent states within the US and the USA is certainly one of the most violent first-world countries).

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See Aidan, thanks for helping prove my case.

Everyone knows that Americans and especially East Tennesseans are blood thirsty killers so it's accepted. People don't expect such behavior in the Bahamas so when it occurs, they shy away.

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Talk about biting the hand that feeds you........
Indeed. Tourism in many places is all they have to support themselves.

The locals know who these thugs are. They can speak up and shut it down.

Or their economy can get worse. Their choice.

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This is really sad, I agree. But it is also a reminder to all of us what NOT to carry onshore. Some kind of a travel wallet with but one credit card, ID and not more than $100 cash.

I feel really bad for the people losing their passports, $2500 cash (as the Dutch Man said) and especially that $900 iPhone (um, in that case I am not so sure the figure is accurate), mine was under $300.

Maybe they meant Bahamian dollars. Anyway, I agree with Phil, these people should be turned in or let Nassau go downhill as a cruise port. The cruise lines could just as easily opt to only go to the private islands. Nassau is not that great a port anyway.
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It's sad , really, when anyone, anywhere is robbed. I think we here in the U.S., regardless of which city or state we live in are so used to hearing about such things that we become partially immune and it basically goes in one ear and out the other when it happens.
But, when it happens somewhere that we cruise to or to someone on vacation, we perk up and take more notice.
I've been to Nassau several times and was never really overly concerned, although I sure didn't wander far from touristy areas unless on a group shore tour. ( which I know these folks were on )

The first time I was in Nassau we spent a week at the Atlantis and quite frankly, after 2-3 days, I was ready to go home. I've been back to Nassau several times on ships and really don't care for the place at all, and to me, Freeport is even worse. I'd much rather just have a nice relaxing day at sea than have to stop at Nassau. I guess if you've never been there, it would be interesting to go once but that would be the limit for me.

I too cannot understand why someone would go ashore in any port carrying $ 2500. in cash, a $900.00 cell phone, and lastly, their passports.
I also cannot understand why someone would be walking down the street with their wallet out in their hand doing whatever it was that the guy was doing-- especially if he had $ 2500. in it-- was he cramming it back in, taking some out , flashing the money around, or what? I wouldn't do that here at home at Krogers, much less in a foreign port somewhere.

People should learn to practice some good old common sense--if you have a Rolex and several gold chains hanging around your neck, don't wear them when you take a private taxi tour in Jamaica--don't take a roll of cash big as a grapefruit and leave your passport in the cabin safe. Make a copy to take ashore if you feel the need to have it with you.
Most times we can't prevent all crimes but sometimes we contribute to them by doing some things we shouldn't or wouldn't if we just used our head a little.
It's doubtful anything I've mentioned contributed to the group that was robbed in Nassau but maybe their losses would have been less if they had used a little more common sense in what all they had on them when they were robbed.
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If all the cruise lines would stick together they could stop this.

I read that the police did very little to investigate.

ok, stop going there and they will get to the bottom of these robberies.

If the cruise lines will not stop going there we as tourist should just stay on the ship while in port and not buy from them.

sure it hurt the little man but would you rather be the on robbed.
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Let's see, stores robbed almost daily, string of bank robberies by the same person, woman pulled into gas station with 2 kids in the car and a car pulled up next to her and shot her to death, woman sitting in car at K-Mart shot to death, teenage boy pushed into traffic and killed, etc. etc. etc. None of the above criminals have been caught even though surveillance tapes have captured all of the crimes. At least they arrested the man that followed two young boys (under 10 I think) to a playground and beat them to death with a baseball bat. Yet, I don't see people screaming to boycot Phoenix, for the snowbirds to not come here anymore, or to move all the spring training teams out of here. And, I'm sure there are similar or worse crimes in other cities around the country. So, why, when one bad act is reported, do people start screaming to abandon the port. Why not beef up the security of the ship-sponsored shore excusions instead. I sure hope NCL doesn't abandon Egypt before my cruise just because crime happens there.
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Born to Cruise, you hit on what I was pointing out in my post. We have so much crime here at home,-- (name any state and city ) that it seems like we're deaf when it's reported and it just bounces off.
Look at the Fort Hood disaster-- and then 4 cops shot dead today in a coffee shop-- everyday, everywhere it's the same thing over and over.
I would venture to say we have more crime in the U.S. in one day that the Caribbean and Bahamas do in a year.
I'm truly sorry for the folks in Nassau who were robbed but that's nothing compared to what goes on here in the U.S. daily.
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Here is a thought.....granted, what goes on in our own backyard is ongoing, and relentless. Every day we hear on the news about something terrible that has happened. But, when I hear the news, for my state, trouble is here, and there, and, if a certain area, is known to be dangerous, I don't decide to go visit,shop, and dine.

The islands are tiny pieces of real estate, so if one of them has a spate of crimes, some involving tourists, who can blame anyone for staying away, and onboard. Especially for people who have visited the port many times....I for one, have always loved Nassau, and am sad for all the issues going on, and, I hope the police get their act together soon!

Today, I watched a show about Belize City. Now, never having cruised there, I don't know if this is where the ships dock. According to this show, this city is the drug capital, of Central America, and has about 23 gangs, ready to kill at the drop of a hat. That said, you can bet your bippy, I would stay onboard. What does this island have, that I would risk being a statistic...nothing.....
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We had our honeymoon in Nassau some 15 years ago.
One taxi driver took a round-about route one late evening coming back from a restaurant. I called him on it, thinking he was scamming us. His reply:
"you don't want to pass through that neighbourhood after dark".

I tipped him well.

Point being: 15 years ago, there were dangerous areas of Nassau. Thugs can pretty much walk to anywhere else they please. It's a small island, and they don't necessarily have to keep to their 'hoods.
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"Look at the Fort Hood disaster-- and then 4 cops shot dead today in a coffee shop-- everyday, everywhere it's the same thing over and over.
I would venture to say we have more crime in the U.S. in one day that the Caribbean and Bahamas do in a year.
I'm truly sorry for the folks in Nassau who were robbed but that's nothing compared to what goes on here in the U.S. daily. [/QUOTE]

Oh please Ron, as one who kept order for your benefit for decades, I find your comments both naive and insulting. Ft. Hood was not a crime, it was yet another in a very, very long line of radical Islamic terrorism. As for Clemmons, in Washington, that would not have happened if he was still in prison where he belonged instead of having been given clemency he did not deserve. so we have more crime in a week than the Bahama do in a year? You bet we do, we also have 300 million people compared to the Bahamas 300 thousand. Duh!

One of the reasons we have a high crime rate is that we have a very open society. On a per capita basis, Mexico for example has far more crime than we do (and a vastly more corrupt system.)
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"Look at the Fort Hood disaster-- and then 4 cops shot dead today in a coffee shop-- everyday, everywhere it's the same thing over and over.
I would venture to say we have more crime in the U.S. in one day that the Caribbean and Bahamas do in a year.
I'm truly sorry for the folks in Nassau who were robbed but that's nothing compared to what goes on here in the U.S. daily.

Oh please Ron, as one who kept order for your benefit for decades, I find your comments both naive and insulting. Ft. Hood was not a crime, it was yet another in a very, very long line of radical Islamic terrorism. As for Clemmons, in Washington, that would not have happened if he was still in prison where he belonged instead of having been given clemency he did not deserve. so we have more crime in a week than the Bahama do in a year? You bet we do, we also have 300 million people compared to the Bahamas 300 thousand. Duh!

One of the reasons we have a high crime rate is that we have a very open society. On a per capita basis, Mexico for example has far more crime than we do (and a vastly more corrupt system.)
This is from the year 2000 but illustrates the point that the Bahamas has a very high crime rate even when compared to the United States:

Crime rates for The Bahamas amount to 25 per 100,000 for murder, 5473 per 100,000 for crimes against property, and 495 per 100,000 for robbery. These rates are more than double those of the United States for murder and robbery, and exceed those of the United States for crimes against property.
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Nassau better get their act together. They've irritated the 800 pound gorrilla or should I say mouse. Disney is taking drastic action to stop this crime spree in its tracks. They've dispatched their "hitman" to bring the evil doers to justice.



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Thanks for all the information - makes me think that the wife and I will either stay on the ship or go to Atlantis, rather than risking Cable Beach.

I agree that the Bahamians better get their act together - their entire economy is basically built upon tourism and they can soon find themselves without tourists.
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Gee Rich, I'm sorry to be such a DUH! Had I known you were keeping order for my benefit for all those decades I'm sure I would have felt so damn much better ! ;-) If you're still on duty, advise and I'll get rid if my Beretta that I keep on my nightstand!!
During some of the time you were protecting me, I was probably in Vietnam carrying a 23 lb M-60 machine gun protecting myself and others too so I know the protection thingee--been there done that !
I'm sure the people at Fort Hood are just as dead ( which no doubt was an act of terrorism from the word go ) as if they had been gunned down in a supermarket. The 4 cops are dead, regardless of how or why the thug was out-- no he shouldn't have been out-- but he was --just another point in my opinion of crime here at home and how we don't deal with it .
The point I was making which apparently got your knickers in a wad was that here in the U.S., we seem to be uninterested in crime unless it's some sensational thing like Ft. Hood, a mass killing at a school , or some sensational thing or other . We seem to just over look the everyday every hour things-- ho-hum-- just another murder today.
Yes I realize there's crime galore in Mexico-- my daughter in law works for an international company and travels world wide frequently-- many places they go they are met by a driver/chaperon and driven wherever they have to go, even to eat for their safety. So, yes, in spite of being such a dumb donkey, I realize there's crime in places besides here at home.
If you were/are in law enforcement and get so easily insulted, maybe you need to grow a little tougher skin!
Not everyone in the world is as brilliant as you are and I admit that I'm certainly not--so there-- from Duh to you, my most humble apologies for offending, insulting, degrading, stepping on your toes, causing you knickers to wad up in your crack, and anything else I can apologize for.
And by the way, all the people murdered, mugged, raped and otherwise victimized by thugs today here in the U.S. will rest better I'm sure by just knowing it's not only them that's been murdered, robbed, mugged, terrorized, etc. today--but it's happened to others as well, all over the globe.That makes a lot of difference to today's victims I'm sure.
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Thanks for all the information - makes me think that the wife and I will either stay on the ship or go to Atlantis, rather than risking Cable Beach.
I agree that the Bahamians better get their act together - their entire economy is basically built upon tourism and they can soon find themselves without tourists.
Exactly!
We, too, are looking at Atlantis instead.

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By all means check out Atlantis. It's amazing.
Cable Beach is a separate area from Nassau. That is where the big resorts and hotels are. Nassau itself is OK however I wasn't impressed with it on my recent visit. I did feel safe for the most part but there was an area of Bay Street where we did turn around and backtrack Too many sketchy looking youths for my taste. The Straw Market can be overwhelming also.
As for the Bahamians, I'm sorry but they are not at all the friendly people that most tourists think In the stores you are lucky if you get eye contact nevermind please and thank you. They are lazy people who feel that the world owes them something. The Bahamas are beautiful but the people spoil it. I say fill the resorts with Mexicans and you'ver got a winner.
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We will be in Nassau next Friday and do plan on visiting Atlantis and Senor Frogs 8) however alittle nervous about it.

Being not far from New York there is crime reported all the time in the papers however still does not stop me from taking trips into the city.

It's a crazy world we live in....

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Jenn, painting everyone with the same brush is a rather harsh statement. The good, the bad, and the ugly are always around us, and, it takes a discerning eye, and, a kind heart to distinguish...For many of us though, it's an easy thing to do.
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Unfortunately all of the people I came across for a week in Cable Beach and Nassau were as I describe. I did come across the odd friendly one however there were enough lazy and miserable ones to make both myself and my husband believe that we will never return to the Bahamas. Shame, because it is a beautiful area. I found that the workers at the resort were like automotons. They did say "Hi, Good Morning" etc but it was forced. All in all not the type of experience I expected.
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