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Old January 18th, 2010, 11:19 AM
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I think that especially that they use Armed Security they should not be stopping at this time. The people of Haiti do need the money but right now they need so much more, like food, water, finding loved ones. The cruise lines unless they are truly do a lot to help the people then stop for a while. The security can be used better elsewhere. To help try to locate people that are missing.
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Boy, this is one very difficult decision on which to decide; whether RCI should continue as usual or not.

One part of me says, "How could they?" The other part of me says, "But then again, by doing so they're actually helping a lot of people who are in desperate need."

I guess you have to list the plusses and minuses. Even if it's not for such a reason as profit (and I personally don't think RCI by their actions or any American industry is for that matter that insensitive as to worry about profits at such a time), it obviously is still upsetting to many passengers.

I'm afraid it's one of those, "damned if you do, damned if you don't" situations.

Although I wouldn't go ashore as I couldn't personally enjoy myself under such dire circumstances, I think the benefits of stopping outweigh the down side. The fact that RCI has pledged a million dollars and is also providing food, other material aid etc. (and evidently a lot of it) on top of the million dollars, I believes justifies their stopping. Additionally, think of what the people of that part of Haiti wouldn't receive were RCI to recall its ships.

I wouldn't be a bit surprised if, when all is said and done, that Royal Caribbean doesn't supply more money and aid than some entire countries. Last I heard, the world's newest economic power house China, initially pledged one million dollars. I guess when they heard what one cruise line was doing, they upped it to the heart stopping amount of 4.3 million, at least, that's the latest amount I've heard.

But have no fear, regardless of the millions upon millions of Federal dollars that pour into that destroyed nation, not to mention the millions upon millions flowing from the wallets of Americans of every income group in private donations and despite the thousands of personnel this country is sending and will be sending into Haiti, be assured that we'll still be condemned from some quarters around the globe for such an "insensitively small" amount of assistance. As a matter of fact, it's already started.

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I saw in some articles I read that the Govt. of Haiti has requested the RCI continue to make it's stops in Labadee. It was mentioned in the RCI Chairman's blog that in a meeting with RCI and former President Clinton, that the Haitian PM said that the money Haiti receives for each stop RCI makes there is vital to Haiti's recovery and rebuilding. That is why they want RCI to keep using Labadee, in addition to the jobs it is providing local Haitians.
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I believe it was the correct decision to continue visits to Labadee. With Royal Caribbean continuing they provide Haiti with much of what they need right now.

I really think that stopping calls in Labadee would be the equivalent of putting their heads in the sand.

Here is a quote:

"Leslie Voltaire, special envoy of the government of Haiti to the United Nations said: "Given the terrible economic and social challenges we now face in Haiti, we welcome the continuation of the positive economic benefits that the cruise ship calls to Labadee contribute to our country."

Some people may think it's abhorrent for Royal Caribbean to continue to stop there. I believe not stopping there would be abhorrent. So be it, that there is an upside that passengers still get to enjoy Labadee.

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I believe that it's better to stop at Labadee, and I plan to be generous when we stop there in april.

The people in Haiti need every little bit of help that we can give them.

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I wonder if fotos will come up how people unload those tons of food and material from that ship. Then I will probably believe it. I wonder how they have so much space in that ship or maybe that is why our luggage is limited to 2 suitcases, in case there is a disaster somewhere in the world.......

If I were an official of a cruiseline I would counter and show pictures of unloading those tons of food rather then have pictures published how people enjoy the beaches, those pics leave a very bad taste in ones mouth no matter how much money they donate.

I know how I felt when I flew to Houston, Texas just 7 days after Hurricane Rita. Airports had just reopened so there was no way to get my flight canceled that I booked in March. From Houston I had to drive to Beaumont where Rita's eye went through. Military was still watching all the roads. Everything looked like after a war, damage everywhere but my hotel was still intact and so I spent 2 weeks of vacation helping the Red Cross (I'm a nurse). At least I was of use and able to help.

Imagine to be on Haiti's coast, swimming and tanning while people still suffocate under debris and wait to be found.

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I think the good far outweighs the perception of bad..plus I would suspect that the crewmembers who are from the island appreciates what RCI is doing for the islands and their love ones and can check on them
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I think its good that they continue going. Haiti needs the money. I read somewhere that Haiti had about 800,000 tourists one year, 500,000 of which came from RCI. Each pax pays a $10 tax. Haiti needs the money now more than ever so I think they should continue going.

They are also using the ships as transporters to bring food and supplies to Haiti. RCI donated $1 million to the country and for at least one day (could have been more), all the proceeds from excursions in Labadee went to Haiti.

The passengers will be aware of the situation and might end up tipping more, or buying more from the locals while there which will also help.
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I think it’s in very poor taste to continue to stop in Labadee. If someone in the Haiti government is still requesting ships to visit their port it has nothing to do with supporting the “people” of Haiti.
We have given the Haitian government millions upon millions of dollars over the years and the “people” of Haiti have not benefited from it in any way. The only people who benefited from our millions is the Haitian government who live like kings while their people suffer in unspeakable conditions. Hopefully the money being sent is not being given directly to the government but to an outside agency that will help these poor souls build some kind of humane life for themselves.
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I have to agreee with Aerogirl. I have worked with a lot of people originally from Haiti and they all say they would not go back home unles there were major changes to the government and that is very unlikely to happen. Very little aid given to the government gets to the people that need it.
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Royal should have skipped Labadee for a couple of weeks to show some respect for the dead and suffering.

Royal could have still paid the fees for the stop to Labadee and also paid the couple of hundred Haitian Labadee workers.

I'm sure the Labadee workers are not into selling stuff, braiding hair and getting lounge chairs for happy well fed cruisers at this difficult time.
I would rather see them off with pay spending time with family and friends.

And I agree with Aero of course the Haitian goverment wants the ships to make their stops at Labadee they want their money. :eek:

Still would have been nice to stop Labadee visits even for as little as two weeks to show some respect.

Also in the news tonite it was reported that the aid that is coming into Haiti is not reaching the people in need. I wonder what percentage of the millions and millions and millions of dollars that are donated the people of Haiti will ever see.
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Boy this is a tough one... I think it is great that RCCL is bringing 120 pallets of supplies with them when they visit and I also agree that those workers will likely benefit from their earnings while the ships are there. I have no doubt that the cruise line is delivering what they promised and I am glad to see them doing this.

They could cancel the port out of respect for a while, but the aid they are bringing would not arrive, and that would not help anyone.

If you were on vacation it would be hard to enjoy yourself with all of that suffering going on nearby.But the fact that I am supporting a cruise line and my presence there is facilitating the delivery of aid, might make me feel a little better. I imagine that I would probably just stay on the ship, but it is sad that their suffering will continue even when the ship has moved on to its next port.

I have to give RCCL my support on this. I think their heart is in the right place, and they are doing the right thing.

I also agree with Aerogirl that the money given to Haiti in the past years has done little to improve the plight of the Haitian people, due the corruption of the government, but now is not the time to cut them off. They need all the help they can get right now.
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I would like to hear from cruisers that just got off Indy and Navigator. Wonder what the mood and reactions were from cruisers and how many did get off in Labadee and how many stayed on the ship.

It is wonderful that Royal is donating supplies and money. They could have stopped in Labadee to unload the aid and then move on and make Labadee a seaday for a short period of time but there would be unhappy cruisers with that decision also.

So like Todd said Damned if you do, Damned if you don't.

Today Liberty is in Labadee.
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There is a simillar thread on the RCI forum, and I agree with Cruisequeen. A few weeks of a day at sea, to my mind would have been appropriate. I have read the releases, & I know that there was no damage there, and how the cruise line is helping,and that is a wonderful thing. That's not the point...Can the people even get to the stalls they run, and, more importantly, do they want to, with all havoc on the roads, and their grief?
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Don’t get me wrong I’m in full support of giving aid to Haiti. I think Haiti receiving supplies isn’t the problem at this time it’s getting them out to the people. I can see where your coming from B.W. and how the people do depend on tourist and not going would hurt these people. I couldn’t imagine RC showing up there empty handed and would like to believe they did it for the right reasons . If I were on this cruise I wouldn’t of wanted to stop there at this time, but that’s just me.
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First of all, I think the headlines " Cruise ships still find a Haitian Berth " is a little misleading-- the article, in my opinion, is slanted to make it seem that the cruise lines are taking up space needed by other vessels delivering supplies, etc. and the hard hearted cruisers are bent on having a grand ol' time amidst all the suffering, etc.
RCCL and Celebrity are the only ships that call at Haiti and are confined to a leased space about 100 miles from the Port-Au-Prince area.The lease is paid whether they skip a week or two or not so that doesn't matter.
Would skipping a couple weeks at a private dock make any difference to the hundreds of thousands suffering about a hundred miles away? I doubt it. Would delivering tons of supplies to the docking facility at Labadee that can be transported to the suffering help? I'm sure it would, as especially now that they're beginning to move people from Port-Au-Prince into the countryside where the supplies can be more easily distributed.
I'm sure the cruise line thought it out--They wouldn't lose anything, or very little by skipping Labadee for a couple of weeks and just having an extra sea day,as people usually spend money while aboard--casinos, shops, bingo, drinks, etc.
The people who work at the Labadee facility would, I'm sure , like to see the ships continue to stop and people spend money. I'm sure some of the money made by the employees there would find it's way to family , friends, etc. in the devastated areas.
I try to see both sides. From a moral standpoint, is it right for the ships to stop and people go ashore and enjoy themselves when there's so much suffering, etc. in the country? But isn't it good that the ship that docks at Labadee can deliver supplies and help some people, the passengers spending money would help and I'm sure most people would be prone to spend more in order to just help out. Or Would the " right " thing to do be to just skip over the place for a couple of weeks?
Sure, Haiti has a massive problem now and needs all the help it can get. But remember prior to this disaster, Haiti was still the poorest country in the Western Hemisphere and people in Port- Au-Prince were hungry, living in squalid poverty, etc. and that didn't deter people from going ashore and enjoying themselves.
If you could instantly put Haiti back to " normal "-- meaning the day it was prior to this quake, would you feel ok stopping at Labadee, sunning, over eating, having fun in the sun while a fairly short distance away people were hungry?
It's a moral question everyone has to answer for themselves. Our Gov. and all the others can only do so much and whether we contribute directly out of our pocket or through our taxes, we are still contributing and will, no doubt, contribute more than the rest of the world combined.
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I think we all agree on one thing and that’s Haitian are in need of much help now and years from now. With all the monetary aid received let hope it brings a brighter future for these people. A reporter in the paper had a good point. He said the USA should send unemployed workers like carpenters and other tradesmen there to rebuild, and our government would pay these people instead of just forking money to their government who has done nothing to help these people build better lives.
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I think we all agree on one thing and that’s Haitian are in need of much help now and years from now. With all the monetary aid received let hope it brings a brighter future for these people. A reporter in the paper had a good point. He said the USA should send unemployed workers like carpenters and other tradesmen there to rebuild, and our government would pay these people instead of just forking money to their government who has done nothing to help these people build better lives.
That makes more sense than anything we have done in the past.
Keep some military there for security for the tradesmen while they help rebuild. Too much $$ has went into the pockets of the corrupt. Also, they should, IMHO, give the military some authority to put a stop to the crime and eradicate it from Haiti once and for all.
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I agree it's a tough one. I would feel bad sitting on a beach in Haiti while people are buried alive under buildings. However, the article I read RCI was also bringing much needed supplies. The economic impact of RCI skipping that port would hurt the economy there.

Maybe if RCI did a walk a ton or other fund raiser on Labadee, that the cruisers could join in, to help the country recover. The cruisers would feel they were doing something to help the country instead of feeling like they are taking from the country.

Maybe RCI could notify future cruisers booked for a stop to Labadee of items they could donate. Like warm jackets, blankets, and other clothing items. Then have a bin set up when the cruisers head of the beach they could drop the items in the bin.

If RCI works with the red cross on some type of fundraisers of the cruisers. It would be good PR plus it would help the cruisers to feel they are part of the solution not the problem.
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I don't think that any cruise ship should be stopping in Haiti until the crisis has passed. It seems that will be many months from now. As many as 200,000 are dead and a third of the population is homeless. It is a tragedy almost beyond imagining. If we are not caregivers or officials of some sort, we should definitely stay away and not interfere in any way with the relief effort. Give your money, and if you have the appropriate skills your time.
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the more I think about this, the more I agree with CQ and I am sure by now, RCI has received feedback from the leadership team onboard it's ships that stop at the island how the guests felt about spending a day there....unload the relief supplies, make it a fun day at sea, perhaps with activities that raise $$$$ or supplies for the relief effort

as the days go on, RCI will adjust it's decision based upon the situation there..this should not be a business public relations decisions (but i surmise it will play a part in it)

in a very small way, it reminds me of the decision Carnival made to pull 3 of it's ships out of revenue service to come to New Orleans to provide housing for first responders right after Katrina..I remember the "lively" discussion that occurred on these boards about that decision (especially by those who were directly impacted due to the fact they were planning on a vacation on one of the ships)...in retrospect, it was the right decision for Carnival to do (IMHO) and it made even stronger the relationship between Carnival and the Gulf Coast region..i am sure RCI leadership team has taken all the factors into consideration..in the words of many on these boards..damm if they do/damm if they don't
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Just My Opinion....

On Tuesday teams rescued a young girl and a 70 year old lady trapped under rubble. On the same day Liberty cruisers are in Labadee sipping Labadoozies.

I keep hearing that Royal needs to stop in Labadee to donate and help out the locals. Yes they can still do that but not let cruisers off for celebrating and partying when not far away there is mass devastation going on.

When was the last time the Labadee workers had some time off with pay?? They don't need to be sitting in Labadee right now while they have family and friends that are dead, suffering and missing. They do it because they are desperate for money.

If I was calling the shots I would have....
1. donate the money
2. drop off aid in Labadee
3. give the labadee workers some much needed time off with pay to be with family and friends.
4. set up a donation fund for labadee in the promenade
5. don't let cruisers off in Labadee to party in the face of mass destruction.
6. pay the port fees even if not letting cruisers off

Of course the pain and suffering in Haiti will be forever the rebuilding will take years. A few weeks away from Labadee would have shown some respect for the dead and suffering.

To me it is the same thing as if a friend called me and said there was a major earthquake in her part of town and many are dead, hurt and missing. Well let me go to your neighborhood for some fun in the sun. Or singing and dancing in the streets of NY right after 9/11.

I have read on FB from a recent cruiser that the Zipline was closed for inspection.

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Now another earthquake this morning. I agree with Cq. Pay the workerd and let them either search for family or help in other ways.

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Stop and consider this before our bleeding hearts overcome logic:

If I were a vendor at the straw market and the ships skipped Ladabee my reaction would be:
Great!!! First the earthquake killed and injured my family and friends down south and now I have no income, now how am I going to feed my family?

Think of the impact before we say that RCI should stop port calls at Ladabee out of respect. They are delivering relief supplies at the stop. The money you spend will help at least one Hatian. I understand they are allowing people to add donations to their onboard account.

RCI made the right decision.

Oh yeah and the Guardian is as far left as you can get without displaying the hammer and sickle so their biased treatment of the RCI decision is no suprise.

So let's not let our knee jerk humanitarian instincts get in the way of even a small amount of aid reaching the stricken people of Hati.
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Cruise Queen has it right... that would be the very best way to handle it.
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I read a report that a man in Miami that’s from Ladabee was asked if the cruise ships should continue to stop in Ladabee and he said “absolutely they should stop“. The last thing we need is for more financial hardship. The man was then asked was “ is it not disrespectful to the Haitian people that tourist are visiting when the country is in such crisis”? his reply was "no the people don’t feel that way".

I guess you have to be in their shoe's to know what the right thing is.
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How far is Labadee from were the earthquake occurred? I ask this because it determines the impact on the workers. I was in an earthquake the size of the one in Haiti 10/17/89 Loma Prieta.

It is not the same because the buildings in California are retro fitted for earthquake and the lose of lives was not as severe. However, I was in Hayward CA the biggest damage was the cypress freeway in Oakland 20 minutes away. In Hayward there wasn't much damage at all. The day after the earthquake was my day off. However, the salon I worked at was opened the day after the earthquake and we had business. Earthquake is a funny thing it can destroy one area and leave another untouched.

If the workers/vendors of Labadee and thier families were not impacted by the earthquake and they have the financial need for the cruiser's money. Then I think RCI leaving Labadee is a mistake.

However, if the epicenter was close to Labadee then the cruise ship should not stop there. They are putting the cruisers in danger. Earthquakes that size have large after shocks. In fact the Haiti quake had an after shock of 6.1 today. That is NOT a small quake. Here is the USGS web page about the quake. Magnitude 7.0 - HAITI REGION I can't tell were Labadee is from this map, but the quake was 15 miles from PORT-AU-PRINCE, Haiti.


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I read a report that a man in Miami that’s from Ladabee was asked if the cruise ships should continue to stop in Ladabee and he said “absolutely they should stop“. The last thing we need is for more financial hardship. The man was then asked was “ is it not disrespectful to the Haitian people that tourist are visiting when the country is in such crisis”? his reply was "no the people don’t feel that way".
Aerogirl, part 2 of this message does not logically follow part 1. Should the Hatian man's quote be: absolutely they should not stop?
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Doug the aid and money can still get to Labadee if Cruisers are there or not. The workers should get income if cruiser are there or not too.

The Labadee workers should have time off with pay to be with family in this time of need. They have to go to Labadee because they need the money. I feel for them I know their hearts are not into selling, braiding and getting lounge chairs at this time.

The last place I would want to be if I was an earthquake victim is work.
I would need to be with family and friends helping out in the much needed area and not on a Labadee beach waiting to see if anyone is going to buy any of my creations.

How many Cruisemates would go to work the days following devestation in their hometown and maybe having family members die? Would you be greatful to your boss if he said go be with your family you will be paid for a few weeks or if he said earthquakes happen that's life now get back on the beach and work.

These people need time off WITH pay more then anything.

And yes Cruisers say they are going to give in Labadee however in the past we all know how cheap some people can be. Been to Labadee many times and always see cruisers haggle with the workers or getting their own lounger so they don't have to tip or tipping 2 bucks for a lounger.

I hope many cruisers now will go into Labadee with 20 and 50 dollar bills as tips.

And yes there will be Haitian that don't care if we are partying in Labadee or not and I'm sure there will be Haitians that view it like a slap in the face.

As the reviews are coming in from Indy most of the Labadee workers have family or friends that are in need.
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