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Nurse Debra, It's not that I am not feeling well it's just that I am curious about your profession.

If you are a nurse you should be proud of it. If you are not you should not call yourself one.

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Sadly with these past several months I've been hospitalized for day surgery more than several times. The nurses at two different hospitals, MDs offices are the most professional and caring I'm known in my 20 years of working in a local hospital..Many are so underpaid...and many..take the late shifts for extra $$ hoping it's a quiet night. Day time nurses are the eyes and ears of the M.D.s, hospital specialists (do you know what they are) and advocates for the patients..They are concerned for continuing education and are constantly taking courses..IF Y OU ARE A NURSE...you know about TLC which cures much..you have compassion for your fellow man/woman.. Somewhere in back of my mind "Nurse Debra" is a character in a movie or play...and not too favorably... I'll have to Google it
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.. Somewhere in back of my mind "Nurse Debra" is a character in a movie or play...
I believe that you are thinking of Nurse Ratched from "One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest", brilliantly played by Louise Fletcher .........IMO, one of the all time great movies.
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I believe that you are thinking of Nurse Ratched from "One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest", brilliantly played by Louise Fletcher .........IMO, one of the all time great movies.

YES, one of the most evil women characters in a movie..and poor Jack Nicholson..
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YES, one of the most evil women characters in a movie..and poor Jack Nicholson..
I know that this has nothing to do with cruising, but heck, this entire thread has nothing to do with cruising so I'm taking a liberty here. IMO, the brilliance of the way Fletcher played Nurse Rachet was that the character was not evil, but one who was totally convinced & rigid in her belief of the mental health system at that time. She could not deviate from the daily routine & saw MacMurphy as a major threat to her control of the ward, which , of course, his whole intent. Anyway, it was a briiliant movie with career performances by just about evryone in the film.

OK, everyone can get back to "left vs. right" now. Or is it "port vs. starboard"?
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Okay - first of all, the directed attacks on Nurse Debra should stop - Unless your goal is to absolutely prove what I have been saying all along about the unqualified use of ridicule and personal attacks as a political tactic. If that is case, please coninue and thank you Debra for taking it like a man (how do we know you are even a woman!)

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The underlying theme in all left wing thinking has always been to take from the haves and give to the have notís. As one poster's signature, on this board, says Socialism is great until the other guy's buck is gone.
We do have a responsibility in this country to take care of our own. And I do agree with the left that we should be spending money on health care and welfare here at home instead of engaging in wars overseas. We give $10 Billion/year to Israel alone, more than all other countries combined (and I like Israel as a country and Jewish people in general)

But what I am saying is "where are the people, especially in media, who know how to give weight to all of these issues?" Where is the balance - who has the "big picture" in the country to restore us to a rational government? It certainly isn't the current group of politicians.

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Guess you don't know any unemployed people in your area who are about to loose their homes.. Just today they signed the new financial protection bill to protect us against the wild schemes of the banking industry.
Personally, my sister is losing her home (worth close to $950k) and my stepkids are losing their condo. I have a friend who has been out of work for almost a year. I personally give these people money all the time solely because I am still lucky enough to have some. Before this depression we fell into I used to give to charity regularly, but now I have people closere to me I know who have financial problems.

Yes - we needed financial reform, but I am sure you will find out in the long run the laws have almost no teeth, and that health insurance premiums will go up.

Here is the problem with arguing ethics in politics instead of actual issues. I cannot disagree with the values of the left. But I certainly disagree with the so called "answers" they have given us. That financial reform bill is punitive to small business, has ridiculous laws to end futures trading which will affect "little people" like farmers and ranchers.

I also just heard that starting in 2011 I will have to file a 1099 anytime I buy or receive anything worth $600. That means I could be taxed every time I lend my sister or kids $1000 for their mortgage. And guess what - thats in the HEALTH-CARE BILL, not the finreg.

I see REAL problems with over-regulatory government. I dont want it in my life, especially for health care.
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With the current focus on socialized medicine, funding abortion, and better food by Michele Obama - this is where I see our society going...

In two years people will be ridiculing strangers in public for being overweight. "You are costing me money, I don't want to pay for your coronary bypass and diabetes medication"

People will see special needs adults and say "Boy, I'll bet he costs us a lot of money. Probably would have been better if he was never born, we can't afford too many people like that."

At the very least - someone who is pro-choice will calculate the cost to our government imsurance pools of bringing up a Down's Syndrome baby to adulthood - probably just to ridicule Sarah Palin (if it hasn't been done already).
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I watched the Ed Show on MSNBC for just 10-minutes two days ago, and these are the insults I wrote down:

Michelle Bachmann is a "psycho talker" (presumably because she is a born again Christian)

Sean Hannity was merely referred to as "slant-head"

Saran Palin was merely "Caribou Barbie" and he had an example of something she said "from the stupid zone."

"Stupid, psycho, 'barbie', slant head" (in 10 minutes)

Does anyone here NOT find words like that offensive when used by one adult to refer to another one? Yet this is what we hear day after day from MSNBC when referring to the right.

Their goal is to get people to lashout in response - and it is a real testment to our maturity and personal sense of security when we do not respond in kind.

I guess Saul Alinsky was not as smart as he thought he was. I honestly don't understand how adults can listen to that kind of talk for long periods of time.

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I couldn't agree more. We used to be unique in the world in that way. We used to have the best, most unbiased press in the world, and we have lost that - truly a shame.

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BTW: Bill O'Reily is a spin doctor. I stopped watching him after the Norwegian Dawn, rogue wave, incident. He touted it as the "Tsunamis Cruise Ship Disaster." I got so irritated with that I stopped watching.
I agree, I also do not like Bill O'Reilly. He is far too ego-centric and full of personal puffery. But that kind of sensationalism about cruise ships certainly isn't limited to Bill O.
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In two years people will be ridiculing strangers in public for being overweight. "You are costing me money, I don't want to pay for your coronary bypass and diabetes medication"

People will see special needs adults and say "Boy, I'll bet he costs us a lot of money. Probably would have been better if he was never born, we can't afford too many people like that."

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They already do that. I have a son who is legally blind and there have been people who made comments about how lucky he is to get a disability check.

He is doing well these days.He has had a job for several years and recently purchased a condominion.

I have also been told ( you foreigners are taking our jobs ).
Now since I came to the US when I was eleven years old and am a Vietnam Vet, I certainly don't let them get away with such stupidity.

But if you look around, ignorance is everywhere. For example why do we borrow money from Comunist China to give foreign aid to our enemies?

Neither the Demcrats nor the Republicans have any idea how to run this country.

And we still don't know if Debra is a NURSE or not.

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I watched the Ed Show on MSNBC for just 10-minutes two days ago, and these are the insults I wrote down:

Michelle Bachmann is a "psycho talker" (presumably because she is a born again Christian)

Sean Hannity was merely referred to as "slant-head"

Saran Palin was merely "Caribou Barbie" and he had an example of something she said "from the stupid zone."

"Stupid, psycho, 'barbie', slant head" (in 10 minutes)

Does anyone here NOT find words like that offensive when used by one adult to refer to another one? Yet this is what we hear day after day from MSNBC when referring to the right.

Their goal is to get people to lashout in response - and it is a real testment to our maturity and personal sense of security when we do not respond in kind.

I guess Saul Alinsky was not as smart as he thought he was. I honestly don't understand how adults can listen to that kind of talk for long periods of time.

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I couldn't agree more. We used to be unique in the world in that way. We used to have the best, most unbiased press in the world, and we have lost that - truly a shame.



I agree, I also do not like Bill O'Reilly. He is far too ego-centric and full of personal puffery. But that kind of sensationalism about cruise ships certainly isn't limited to Bill O.

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Agree 100% about MSNBC. To call that network a news organization is indeed laughable. They are so far left, that it is often worth watching just when I need a good laugh. Sadly there are a few who believe that garbage and think they are actually watching a news program.

The real problem is that the current regime is driven by fulfilling their desire to transform this nation toward Socialism rather than working for what is good for the entire country. A good example is the current border situation with groupís leftist liberals wanting an open border to obtain more votes and the SEIU wanting an open border so they can get more union members. Neither of these objectives will bode well for the future of the United States. We welcome all immigrants, but let's face it those who sneak across our borders are criminals by the very fact that they have violated our national sovereignty.

The Saul Alinski playbook is definitely in play in today's politics, with some Democrat groups even touting it as recommended reading on how to change this country. America is too great of a country to be destroyed by those who depend on insults, playing the race and class card instead of offering valid ideas to improve life for all Americans.

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Agree 100% about MSNBC. To call that network a news organization is indeed laughable. They are so far left, that it is often worth watching just when I need a good laugh. Sadly there are a few who believe that garbage and think they are actually watching a news program.

The real problem is that the current regime is driven by fulfilling their desire to transform this nation toward Socialism rather than working for what is good for the entire country. A good example is the current border situation with groupís leftist liberals wanting an open border to obtain more votes and the SEIU wanting an open border so they can get more union members. Neither of these objectives will bode well for the future of the United States. We welcome all immigrants, but let's face it those who sneak across our borders are criminals by the very fact that they have violated our national sovereignty.

The Saul Alinski playbook is definitely in play in today's politics, with some Democrat groups even touting it as recommended reading on how to change this country. America is too great of a country to be destroyed by those who depend on insults, playing the race and class card instead of offering valid ideas to improve life for all Americans.

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No many how many times I address your point of view it is ignored .This is not a socialist administration .A socialist head of state would not send troops into Iraq and Afghanistan . IMHO ,there is nobody in the current administration with a far to the left political persuasion .
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No many how many times I address your point of view it is ignored .This is not a socialist administration .A socialist head of state would not send troops into Iraq and Afghanistan . IMHO ,there is nobody in the current administration with a far to the left political persuasion .

Henry,

IMHO, without winning the war in Afghanistan there really is no safe or graceful way out of Afghanistan for Obama or any President for that matter.

I would have to respectfully disagree that Obama did not send troops into Iraq and Afghanistan; they were already there when he took office. Obama also sent about half of the additional troops to Afghanistan than were requested by the commanding generals. Through out this country's history most of the left has opposed every war that we have ever fought. Granted, continuing to try to control and eliminate the terrorist or as Obama would probably put it, so as not to offend anybody, world neighbors with a grudge, is a good thing. However, it is also no doubt contrary to his real beliefs.

When I was in school the definition of socialism was a government who took over or controlled, health care, financial institutions, auto companies, energy companies, news organizations, and in general created laws against the will of the majority of its citizens. Based on the actions of Obama and his crew that is exactly what we now have in the United States.

To each their own as to what kind of a country they would like to live in, but if you really think the current administration does not have a far left political persuasion, then I would shudder to think what this country would be like if we ever had an administration that you would say, had a far left political persuasion.

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IMHO, the war in Afghanistan will not be won. The Opposition will never give in many of the enemy fighters come from Pkistan and other nearby countries and their supply of men willing to fight the US is endless.

If we want security in this country, bring back our soldiers from Germany, Italy, Japan, S.Korea and other countries where they are stationed.
Keep them in uniform equip them with best weapons that we can build,and make sure they are properly trained. We can use them here to protect our borders.
We also need to stop buing military equipment from other countries

We have to stop giving out foreign aid. As Thomas Jefferson said (don't ask the cuntry to do any more good than it can't afford)

We can no longer patrol all the world, and we cannot fight wars with money borrowed from China.

And this is not a socialist country. And our president should be adressed as President Obama.

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Manuel ,your response to "nurse debra" is perfect .Its everything I would have said .The troops should all be sent home immediately .The trillions of dollars spent on war could be used to feed the homeless ,care for the infirmed .In a city like NYC there are homeless people all over the streets and most are vietnam veterans .Its disgusting that these people have to live in this manner .
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Thanks Henry

I guess that you and I are the only who realize that Afghanistan will be another Vietnam. In another words a war that ends withou honor.

It's too bad that people can't handle the truth.

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I guess that you and I are the only who realize that Afghanistan will be another Vietnam. In another words a war that ends withou honor.

It's too bad that people can't handle the truth.

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Sadly "America" can have a short memory, and can lose the determination (and sacrifice) it sometimes takes to complete the important tasks.

After 9/11 it appeared the country was unified to find and attack those who had attacked it, killing 3000 innocent people. Unlike, say the attack on Pearl Harbor, this time there was no government to set their sites on, and go to war with.

For those attacking the U.S. 9/11 wasn't their first attack on the U.S. There had been embassy bombing, the attack on the Cole, and other terrorist actions... so for the U.S. to go on the offensive to protect itself made good sense.

If the nation hadn't been lead off the rails of its goal to attack Iraq instead, perhaps the goals in Afghanistand might have been reached already. It's been widely reported that they had Bin Laden cornered in the mountains fairly early on, but he escaped.

Then the leaders took their eye off that ball almost entirely to turn the attention of the nation towards Iraq. Iraq was certainly a disfunctional country, with all sorts of wrong doings going on, but they were also sworn enemies of their neighbor Iran, and that animosity kept Iran "busy" and out of international issures, and certainly kept their influence in the entire middle east to a minimum.

As a result of the misguided decisions to move into Iraq, aside from the wasting the blood of the heroes who went to work on that directive, and the billions of dollars wasted, the decision also allowed Iran the free rein to build influence they never had before.

Troops were moved out of Afghanistan, and away from the hunt for the terrorists who had attacked the United States, and would be planning future attacks.

Unfortunately if the U.S. were to withdraw from Afghanistan and the area, because they've forgotten the attack on its citizens. and lost the "taste" and determination to complete the task, the terrorists would be left with the ability to rebuild their organization in Pakistan, and with the free wheeling support of Iran.

It's a horrible choice to have to make! And sadly, one that was greatly contributed to by the choices made by previous administrations.

Throughout history, sadly, there's been some necessary wars, that needed to be fought. There's also been some that were a result of bad decisions by leaders.

We'll never know how different things could have been if the United States didn't take it's eye of the ball, and attacked Iraq. But I do have a feeling we'll all live to regret it if the U.S. simply said.. we've had enough of this fight, and withdrew all its troops now.

And, as a result of its actions against Iraq, Iran has actually become a much larger threat than it ever was... which created an array of new problems.
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While I agree that there is a lot of doubt if the war in Afghanistan can be won and if we will ever be able to withdraw and have the people of Afghanistan stand up on their own to the Islamic terrorist. On that point we are in a no win situation, no matter what we do.

It should be pointed out that along with Obama's campaign promises of claims for “an honest, ethical and transparent government", that Afghanistan was the "good war". Obama's words and not mine. Instead, in this "new kind of government" we have close friends of Obama's with past associations with terrorist, a tax cheat running the IRS, Czars supposedly now controlling banking industry who were responsible for the mess we are in. Not to mention Rangle, Watters and so many others Obama supporters and appointees.

Unlike Liberals, Progressives, Socialist or whatever they are called these days, I would prefer to see money be spent on tax cuts, for those who do work and pay taxes and to help small businesses thrive and give more Americans an opportunity to work. My thinking is that those who truly want to work should be helped and those who choose not to work should be allowed to do so, but not on my dime.

We have seen over the past years, ever since the liberal great society experiment that giving money to those who are inclined not to want to work, has only led to a generation after generation expansion of people who depend on the government for their hand outs. While it has been proven that this does garner a significant number of votes for Democrats, it has not served well, those for whom it was supposed to be helping nor has not been good for the overall health of the United States.

Most polls do show that just over half of Americans do feel that Obama does have a Socialist agenda and it does show in almost everything that he has done and the things that he plans on doing to America.

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NURSE DEBRA.... It would be much appreciated if you would address our President Obamba by first PRESIDENT>... IT IS COMPLETLEY disrepectful on your part as has mentioned earlier to you. Would you address Queen Elizabeth as Elizabeth... or either of the Bush Presidents by their first name..
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There's a huge difference between social programs and socialism. Socialism is a term that is bandied about much to easily and often, just as it is whith people using the term Nazis to berate actions they do for minor disputes with people they disagree with.

It truly diminishes and disrespects the meanings and misjustices of the effects the real meaning of those words on history.

Tossing words those terms so frequently now seems to be used to sensationalize and politicize arguements; label everything so it sounds really scary.

Everyone, world wide, would love tax cuts! We all want to pay less! But that isn't an answer to terrorism and world strife.

Nor is it a sole solution to all the economic and social woes.

Much has been made of late of the war amongst the mexican drug lords, and relating that to the illegal immigration issues. Fact is that if "Americans" didn't have such a huge appetite for drugs, there would be no drug wars.

That is a social issue, and can't be solved by lowering taxes.

If people are in favor of throwing all social programs overboard, and simply want to leave the capitalist system to run totally unregulated I believe they'd ultimately be very dissappointed with the resultant society.

Viewing all the very complicated issues the world faces from strictly a right or left perspective leads to only more issues. I have views which would be considered "left" on some subjects, and would be viewed as "right" on others.

I'm far more interested in seeking real solutions to the multitude of problems than I am in blaming others, and tossing about termonolgy in an attempt to diminish their views.

Somewhere along the line people are going to have to work together to find solutions to the problems, rather than just fight over the power.

America really is terrific and amazing because over the years it has mostly been able to withstand much bad leadership, and power wrangling, and flousirh inspite of it.
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I would prefer to see money be spent on tax cuts, for those who do work and pay taxes and to help small businesses thrive and give more Americans an opportunity to work. My thinking is that those who truly want to work should be helped and those who choose not to work should be allowed to do so, but not on my dime.
The number of people who actually don't want to work is probably pretty miniscule. The work ethic, and how hard some people want to work, and what they want to be paid is likely the broader question.

This can be related to cruising. Why did NCL America have such problems with their program to have their ships sailing the waters in the Hawaii? Because they had to hire a large percentage of Americans to work the ship. The result... Americans weren't willing to work as hard or put in as many hours as the international crews on others ships, and NCL America was forced to move ships back ti NCL international.

That relates to why there's a big problem with illegal immigrants. Does anyone believe Americans want to work at many of the jobs those people take, at the wages they are paid?

Would all of those people have come to America if the businesses weren't hiring them? The businesses hiring them sort of belies the idea that all business is good, and their values and business decisions are always good for America doesn't it?

Like I've said.. all very complicated issues. And I certainly don't know the answers. But the solutions certainly can't be found by sticking to only political convictions.
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Talking to "Nurse Debra" is like talking to the wall . Let me amend that ,the wall might just be able to realize that there are different points of view that one may have without being called a socialist .
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The United States has always been right of center in the thinking of the majority of people in this country. The word personal responsibility, which is lost on the current administration, has been the mainstay of our country for more that two centuries. From the day this country was formed there have always been some who wanted Socialist or Communist form of government. I happen to believe in the rule of law, when it comes to enforcing the borders. Now granted, neither party has done a darn thing to reduce the illegals from entering our country.

President Reagan made a huge mistake in granting amnesty to illegals many years ago. Even though congress had promised to close the border. It turned out to be just another example of lip service from congress.

As an independent, I had hoped that Obama would live up to all those great speeches that he gave when running for election. After Obama's election the stimulus bill was passed containing millions of dollars of pork, I had hopes that we would see real change in Washington and Obama would veto it. Alas, Obama eagerly signed the bill, which in my opinion defined his administration and how things were going to be run. Bottom line, business as usual!!!!

Because of the actions of the current administration, the fact is that most Americans DO regard the current administration as Socialist. Sorry to disappoint some posters, but I am NOT the only one who feels this way. The majority of Americans do feel that this administration is Socialist or heading in that direction. The wild spending spree and ignoring the will of the people, by Obama, has done nothing to change the minds of the majority of Americans.

Just to show the difference in how people think is the case of the Supreme Court in making a decision about owning a gun for personal protection, which as most know is guaranteed by the US Constitution. This right, guaranteed by the Constitution, was only upheld by a vote of five to four. With the four judges who chose to ignore the constitution, all being Democrats. If we ever had five Democrats on the Supreme Court the Constitution could soon become just an interesting footnote in the history of America.

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AGAIN, I call on you Nurse Debra... you just mentioned President Reagan, but REFUSE to type PRESIDENT OBAMA....Its like my mother used to say when talking to somebody.." it's like banging your head against the wall"......
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The U.S. (and as a result the world) economies were on the precipice of a total collapse, hanging on the cliff by its fingernails. Anyone who thinks that wasn't the case is in dreamland, and not aware of how close it came.

There are some very serious problems that are having to be dealt with now, but had that crash been allowed they would have paled in comparison.

There are still plenty of stumbling blocks for the economic recovery, but there are signs of recovery. The Dow and S& P have had substantial recovery. Major companies have been reporting huge profits. (Though they've learned that they can function and make more profits with less employees).
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Debra, who may be a nurse or not. Needs refer to President Obama and not use just his name.

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That relates to why there's a big problem with illegal immigrants. Does anyone believe Americans want to work at many of the jobs those people take, at the wages they are paid?
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American people today could no even do some of the jobs that th illegals are doing.

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Thank you Kuki for your level insight into the problems of the USA.. it takes somebody who is not an American to see us in a different and sometimes unbiased light.. i think there are none so blind as those who do not want to see!!
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