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On this day 30 years ago ,America lost a true patriot .John Lennon was a poet primarily ,singer secondarily . He was among the greatest influences in music of this generation and perhaps of all time .

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On this day 30 years ago ,America lost a true patriot .John Lennon was a poet primarily ,singer secondarily . He was among the greatest influences in music of this generation and perhaps of all time .
I know JL loved New York, had a green card but he would not have been eligible for US citizenship until 1981.

Yes - it was a sad day.
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I remember that day very well.
With extreme sadness.

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I've been to Strawberry Fields in Central Park . I try and go there every year on Dec.8 .
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I have been to Strawberry Fields and Penny Lane and many other places in Liverpool, on the Beatles Magical Mystery Tour, one of the big thrills of my life! I saw the houses where John, George, Paul and Ringo each grew up.
The world lost not only a musician, a poet, and a peace activist, but a truly wonderful man. I will always remember Dec. 8 with sadness...

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John Lennon was not an AMERICAN - therefore, not a true patriot of America. Wrote a lot of very nice songs but that too doesn't make him a patriot.
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This IS the day the music died!

John Lennon was and always will be the most influential musician in my life. I grew up loving the Beatles, could always distinguish John's voice in any song, and later after the Beatles he continued to make the music that I loved.

I had a life size poster of John in my office at work, it was on the back of my office door, when I would have to conference one of my staff I'd always say close the door John & I need to talk with you
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My girlfriends and I loved the Beetles. We each had our favorite. I continued to enjoy the music as I grew up, including Paul and Wings.

Once I was grown, I began to read about John, and what he stood for. Suddenly he was not the person I thought he was. No one walks away from a young son who loves you. No one allows that young son to find out where daddy is, by seeing him in bed with another woman, (on the news) who was not his mommy.

He came to our country to live, and made fun of the troops in Nam. Called them baby killers. He lied about looking for his step daughter, in order to stay in this country, when he and Yoko knew exactly where she was.

I have never understood why Americans make heros out of singers, and performers. Yes they can sing, and yes they were entertainers, but ...

I guess I have a different opinion on what makes a great man.
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My girlfriends and I loved the Beetles. We each had our favorite. I continued to enjoy the music as I grew up, including Paul and Wings.

Once I was grown, I began to read about John, and what he stood for. Suddenly he was not the person I thought he was. No one walks away from a young son who loves you. No one allows that young son to find out where daddy is, by seeing him in bed with another woman, (on the news) who was not his mommy.

He came to our country to live, and made fun of the troops in Nam. Called them baby killers. He lied about looking for his step daughter, in order to stay in this country, when he and Yoko knew exactly where she was.

I have never understood why Americans make heros out of singers, and performers. Yes they can sing, and yes they were entertainers, but ...

I guess I have a different opinion on what makes a great man.
To me he was a great man and a patriot .The word patriot is not just an American term .As to what he did behind closed doors thats not my business .I judge him on his words ,his actions and his music .
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The murder of John Lennon, was a sad day to all of us "baby boomers" who remember when the Beatles first appeared on the Ed Sullivan Show, in November of 1964. John Lennon was a great singer and museum and he should be remembered in that realm.
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I do to Henry. All you have to do is Google it, and hear what he had to say in his own words.

Of course it is only my opinion. I do believe what goes on behind closed doors does make the man or woman.

I also believe that when you come to this country you should act like the guest that you are, and go by our rules.

To this day when I hear "Hey Jude" I think about that child. Our children are what makes us. He failed, and continued to fail until the day he died.
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I'm not condoning nor condemning John Lennon. I think he wrote and helped make some great music and songs. I don't know how great he was or was not--that's something that could be debated for the next hundred years and no one would win. He certainly didn't deserve to be gunned down by being shot in the back-- I'm very hard hearted when it comes to people who commit violent crimes such as murder and rape are concerned. My opinion is simple--give them a far trial and dispose of them right away--but that's just my opinion. John Lennon certainly didn't harm anyone and wasn't a dangerous maniac that deserved what he got.
This " insanity " thing has been over used to the point where it's a joke.
Now having said all that, I've noted that yesterday, December the 7th was also an important date. In our local paper, buried about halfway through was a small paragraph about Pearl harbor. I also noted there wasn't very much coverage re / Pearl Harbor on the news in general. But, today, the 8th of December, the date that will also live in infamy, we've been bombarded by news, accolades, tributes, etc. etc. etc. re / John Lennon.
Just human nature I guess.
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John Lennon was not an AMERICAN - therefore, not a true patriot of America. Wrote a lot of very nice songs but that too doesn't make him a patriot.
I agree - Dec 8 was still a sad day.
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To me he was a great man and a patriot .The word patriot is not just an American term .As to what he did behind closed doors thats not my business .I judge him on his words ,his actions and his music .
Sorry Henry, I am genuinely confused - why is he an American patriot?
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I never said he was an American patriot .I said he was a patriot . I personally have no problem with anything he said about the war in southeast asia .
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Ron,

I agree that he did not deserve what happened to him. It should not have happened.
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I never said he was an American patriot .I said he was a patriot . I personally have no problem with anything he said about the war in southeast asia .
You are quite right! You said and I hope I have got this right - America lost a patriot! I saw the event that day as the World lost a great singer/songwriter and rebel.

Whatever, no-one deserved to be shot down.

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I agree that he did not deserve what happened to him. It should not have happened.
No one deserves to be murdered!

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You are quite right! You said and I hope I have got this right - America lost a patriot! I saw the event that day as the World lost a great singer/songwriter and rebel.

Whatever, no-one deserved to be shot down.

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There have always been people termed patriots not born in the USA but who resided at times in the USA .
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Time passes so fast , I can believe it has been 30 years!
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My girlfriends and I loved the Beetles. We each had our favorite. I continued to enjoy the music as I grew up, including Paul and Wings.

Once I was grown, I began to read about John, and what he stood for. Suddenly he was not the person I thought he was. No one walks away from a young son who loves you. No one allows that young son to find out where daddy is, by seeing him in bed with another woman, (on the news) who was not his mommy.

He came to our country to live, and made fun of the troops in Nam. Called them baby killers. He lied about looking for his step daughter, in order to stay in this country, when he and Yoko knew exactly where she was.

I have never understood why Americans make heros out of singers, and performers. Yes they can sing, and yes they were entertainers, but ...

I guess I have a different opinion on what makes a great man.
Random House Webster's Unabridged Dictionary:

patriot: A person who loves, supports and defends his or her country and its interests with devotion

In no way, shape or form could you call him a patriot - see Luanne's quote above.
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I will respond when I return from vacation .I don't want to leave a thought dangling .
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