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The horrific and unnecessary shootings in Tucson....

Was it a case of a "nut job" run amok, or was it a "nut job" incited (purposely or accidental consequence) by the push of politcal adversaries and their representatives to anger the nation to direct their blame to "SOMEONE" for all the things wrong in their lives?
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I would suggest a path of patience and not get caught up in the media hype that we have been shell shock with with all of the political posturing..i remind everyone of the Oklahoma City situation where the media pundits immediately associated it with foreign terrorist and everyone was pointing fingers and getting the public work up into a frenzy..when the real story came out i don't remember any apologies from the media or political pundits

our politicians (from both sides of the aisle) have an agenda on this situation..let's hope law enforcement will be allowed to do their investigation without being hampered by the political climate
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Venice,

I guess my question is if people think the "political climate" instigated this situation. Has the "political climate" gone beyond, and created a possibly dangerous "social climate"?

We do have to realize that aside from recruiting terrorists, Bin Laden motivates and instigates crazies to take their own crazed actions, without ever giving specific commands to action.
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I would suggest a path of patience and not get caught up in the media hype that we have been shell shock with with all of the political posturing..i remind everyone of the Oklahoma City situation where the media pundits immediately associated it with foreign terrorist and everyone was pointing fingers and getting the public work up into a frenzy..when the real story came out i don't remember any apologies from the media or political pundits

our politicians (from both sides of the aisle) have an agenda on this situation..let's hope law enforcement will be allowed to do their investigation without being hampered by the political climate
I would also mention, that the media reported the representative's death, then later in critical condition. Imagine the family's horror of hearing this. I just wish the media was a little more precise in getting the CORRECT facts! Never can be sure what to believe!
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I sure don't know if this was a "nut job" run amok, or was it a "nut job" incited but when I first heard about it yesterday I did have one thought. It was " was this motivated by Sarah Palin's post." In that post she put crosshairs on a map and Az was one state targeted and unfortunately the target of the shooting was listed by name among many others.

This country does not need any person of Sarah Palin's stature making a post like she did. Unfortunately there are people in the country that would read this and decided that they will take care of anyone listed as being having to go.

My prayers are with those that were killed and injured and with their families.
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I sure don't know if this was a "nut job" run amok, or was it a "nut job" incited but when I first heard about it yesterday I did have one thought. It was " was this motivated by Sarah Palin's post." In that post she put crosshairs on a map and Az was one state targeted and unfortunately the target of the shooting was listed by name among many others.

This country does not need any person of Sarah Palin's stature making a post like she did. Unfortunately there are people in the country that would read this and decided that they will take care of anyone listed as being having to go.

My prayers are with those that were killed and injured and with their families.
Funny enough Nancy, those were exactly our thoughts on this side of the pond.

We knew SP had named Ms Giffords as a politician she wanted removed from office in Nov 10 - my nephew remarked this p.m. surely no-one took her literally! Hopefully, SP will phrase her comments more carefully in the future.

Our thoughts are with all those affected by the tragedy.

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To answer the question - this was a nut gone amok.

Crosshairs and targets are commonly used as a visual aid to focus attention on something. For example, today's Huntsville Times has a full-page to hype tomorrow's Auburn/Oregon football game - and it is titled "Duck Shoot" with a photo of a shooting gallery full of ducks with 'O' on them. Could this entice a nut to want to take some shots at the Oregon football team?

Where do you draw the line on what is allowed in public discourse, lest you push a psycho over the edge?

Sarah Palin is also renowned for her hunting skills, hence the use of crosshairs on Arizona for the elections had a double-meaning.

Those who are running around breathlessly assigning blame to this or that person or organization are being reckless. Sadly, I think there are some out there who'd like to see someone open fire at a tea party rally now, just to even the score. It all goes to the general decline of morals in today's society.
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Dave - I hope sincerely you are correct!

Only the shooter can answer the question.

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Sarah Palin is also renowned for her hunting skills,
Here is the Palin ad:
http://www.stephentaylor.ca/images/sarah-targets.jpg

Rep. Giffords is listed on the left, fourth from the top.

Palin highlights her bear hunting skills by placing a gun scope cross hair over the areas where her political opponents live.
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Dave, I am not saying that SP's post did trigger this shooter but am hoping that it did not but you know there are people who would take that kind of thing litteraly (sp). To me that kind of post is the sign of a "nut" no matter who makes it. And Arizona is not the only state with the crosshairs on it.
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Interesting I didn't know about the Sarah Palin post until I read it here. But I have to say there is a tendency to not take personal responsibility for your actions. Jared Lee Loughner is a nut job that killed innocent people. We have no way of knowing what set him off. Even if Sarah Palin had not made that post he might still have taken this action.

But I also think Sarah Palin and others (no matter what political party) should use more care with their comments. Promoting murder is what you are doing when you put targets over people's names or faces. Is that the type of person you what to be? Is that the type of person you want in a position of political power? It is true I would not vote for Sarah Palin, but it had more to do with her lack of experience and intelligence then it does her political party.

My thoughts and prayers go out to the families who lost loved ones.
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The man who committed these atrocious crimes yesterday is entirely responsible for the actions he took.

I don't approve of the use of a target by either Sarah Palin or a left wing community on line writer- Marko Moulitsas in regards to Congresswoman Giffords. Neither one of them nor anyone else is responsible for this man's actions.

We have had killings like this off and on in my life time and before. As for the cases I can remember, the person who did the killing was not functioning as a normal human being.

We are living in a time when simply holding an opposing opinion can be labeled hate speech. We need to tread carefully.

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Phyll.. see there lies the problem. People have forgot how to express their opposition.

I agree, there has alway been, and will always dysfunctional people around. But, there is an art to debating opposing viewpoints, without the vitriol. Seems way too many people take shortcuts, and head directly to finding the most sensational imagery and name calling to illicit the biggest reaction they can get.

"Real" journalism has put on a new face because they feel they are competing with the free to say anything they can think of bloggers, and internet writers. They are dreaming up ways to make bigger splashes, and that unfortunately means beating drums that get people worked up, or afraid.

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There is way too much violence in this country.
The last thing we need are politicians to entice even more.
And that is what they are doing when they preach intolerance.

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The last thing we need are politicians to entice even more.
And that is what they are doing when they preach intolerance.

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I agree with this statement completly. And even if the SP post did not incite this guy it just may someone else. and that is something this country does not need.
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I'm not going to engage in a back and forth with 'evidence' of which politician used what. Palin used crosshairs. Democrats have used targets - as recently as this past spring and also in 2004 - on maps that look just like the Palin map linked in another post. The difference being they were 'targeting' Republicans. I can provide links if you wish them. Obama said if 'they' bring a knife to the fight, "we'll' bring a gun. It's all metaphors.

People have been murdered because someone said 'hello' the wrong way to the murderer. We need to get over launching a search for who 'we think' are the guilty every time something bad happens. I do find it curious that Sarah Palin lives rent-free in so many people's minds, such that they immediately hope to indict her at the least provocation.

I don't often agree with him, but David Gergen today published a blog at CNN which calls for everyone to stop pointing fingers at Palin, tea party, whatever. The alleged murderer was just arraigned today and isn't really talking to police, yet so many people are willing to assign blame when none of us, I repeat, none of us, knows the facts.
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Dave, I completely agree that no one other than the shooter knows why he did it.

I have not seen the items of the " Democrats have used targets - as recently as this past spring and also in 2004 - on maps that look just like the Palin map linked in another post. The difference being they were 'targeting' Republicans." But I don't think that that is appropriate either, no matter who does it.

And if it had been any other politician I would make the same statements, I don't care who even if it had been the President.
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Nobody has mentioned that among his possessions was a copy of Mein Kampf .It could be that he was targeting a jewish congressperson .
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if it had been any other politician I would make the same statements, I don't care who even if it had been the President.
I should have been more precise. I am not referring to anyone here, but rather those posting truly hateful comments in other forums, media websites, blogs.
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I just finished reading an article on yahoo about this guy and after reading it it looks like he had wanted to get the Congresswoman for awhile and he finally found his chance.

He definitely has problems.
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Nobody has mentioned that among his possessions was a copy of Mein Kampf .It could be that he was targeting a jewish congressperson .

I find it interesting that NO national news station (as far as I know) has even posted that possibility. When you "look" at his posts, I wonder... .
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I find it interesting that NO national news station (as far as I know) has even posted that possibility. When you "look" at his posts, I wonder... .
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And the political opportunists are already jumping on it...

...Pennsylvania Congressman Robert Brady, a Democrat from Philadelphia, told CNN that he plans to introduce a bill that would make it a crime for anyone to use language or symbols that could be seen as threatening or violent against a federal official, including a member of Congress.... (my bold type)

Not that his bill stands a snow ball's chance of passing, but the words "could be" are chilling. This is the kind of thing you unleash when you allow a single tragedy to take control of your emotions.


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You mean like invading Iraq

It's really not a matter of WHO to blame... but I do think there's something to be said for WHAT to blame. There's no sides innocent. But honestly IMHO if no one can see how "ramped up and amped up" the country has got since you elected your President, then they are wearing blinders.

I may not be smart enough to tell you why, but I think one should hope this "single tragedy" serves as an alert to a nation, not as another excuse to hurl more BS, and more fringe lunatics to take more distorted actions.
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And the political opportunists are already jumping on it...

...Pennsylvania Congressman Robert Brady, a Democrat from Philadelphia, told CNN that he plans to introduce a bill that would make it a crime for anyone to use language or symbols that could be seen as threatening or violent against a federal official, including a member of Congress.... (my bold type)

Not that his bill stands a snow ball's chance of passing, but the words "could be" are chilling. This is the kind of thing you unleash when you allow a single tragedy to take control of your emotions.


There goes free speech out the window. This bill is a waste of time and money it will never pass. At least I hope it never passes.While I wish that people chose their words and pictures carefully. I don't want the US government to determine what those words should be.
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Following the Columbine disaster, everyone started blaming people being allowed to have guns, right wing fanatics, etc., ad nauseam, calling it the worst such disaster in this country's history.

Not even close. The worst such disaster occurred in Bath Indiana in the thirties when a disgruntled taxpayer wired an entire school with explosives and detonated them killing 38 grade school students before driving up to the school superintendent's resident and blowing up his car killing both himself and the superintendent. He began the day by murdering his wife. Betcha' that today only one out of every 50,000 Americans have even heard of that tragedy.

Authorities later found an additional 200 pounds of explosives in the wreckage that failed to detonate. Had that occurred, probably literally hundreds would have died. Turned out he had spent months setting the thing up.

His reasoning? The raising of his taxes. Yet no one to my knowledge, blamed politics, political rhetoric, etc. Do you think folks exercised more common sense back then by attributing the horrific act to what it was....a nut job as opposed to attributing the horrific act to any type of political rhetoric or symbolism?

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Todd..I think I saw that event on TCM when they had a marathon about the monthly newsreals that use to be shown in the theatres before the main movie in the 30's and 40's

Kuki..your:neutral: dual citizen status :neutral: provides a unique perspective and I hope that our CM's who live outside of the US (Europe etc) post to keep us abreast on how the rest of the world sees our current situation to provide additional perspective

we live in an incendiary time, that is fueled by many factors..this is not unusual in the history of our Country (in many ways resembles the 30's-40's when POTUS Roosevelt was battling the depression (high unemployment), 2 front global warfare (and terrorism inside of our Country), introduction of the New Deal Programs,immigration issues, racial discord, supressions of civil rights, etc. one of the obvious differences today is the 24/7 monster role of a very bias media/communications ...our Country use to be able to turn on Walter Cronkite every night and receive both good/bad news with few exceptions in a calm/non judgemental fashion..we could sure use that today
with this specific event, we should focus on the victims and their families and provide healing and prayers for them and let our justice system deal with the one who caused it...I share Dave's perspective
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Kuki, if this congress can't turn around the financial disaster that the last 3 years have brought about then I believe we will see more and more politicians being held accountable by the people of this nation.
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we live in an incendiary time, that is fueled by many factors..this is not unusual in the history of our Country (in many ways resembles the 30's-40's when POTUS Roosevelt was battling the depression (high unemployment), 2 front global warfare (and terrorism inside of our Country), introduction of the New Deal Programs,immigration issues, racial discord, supressions of civil rights, etc. one of the obvious differences today is the 24/7 monster role of a very bias media/communications ...our Country use to be able to turn on Walter Cronkite every night and receive both good/bad news with few exceptions in a calm/non judgemental fashion..we could sure use that today
with this specific event, we should focus on the victims and their families and provide healing and prayers for them and let our justice system deal with the one who caused it
No question punishing the guilty party should be left to the justice system. I do find it odd that in the media this guy is still referred to as the suspect. For that they chose their words carefully, yet all their other words are often not thought out at all.

As a non US citizen, it's been very interesting watching this incident and ramifications unfold in my midst, and seeing it through the eyes of the local, not just national press.

Sadly, I do see both the right and left blaming each other for the results. That just means neither side is going to "get it". The methology of expressing their discourse (on all sides) has to change or the fringe elements on both sides will continue to do unthinkable acts.
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