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Have a great time .I still wonder if american murderers who have a safe haven in Cuba will be mingling among the vacationers .
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Annie - Cuba is beautiful! The beaches are amongst the nicest I have seen. But the food, oh the food, well let's just say it is not so great, and it doesn't matter where you stay.


We looked into going to Cuba next week; but it was cheaper to cruise on Eurodam. And the food on Eurodam will for sure be waaaaaaay better than ANY Cuban resort.

If memory serves, you are not about the food, so you may LOVE cuba (and you don't have to worry about dress codes on formal night!)
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Have a great time .I still wonder if american murderers who have a safe haven in Cuba will be mingling among the vacationers .
Interesting question. I remember from reading a while back about New Jersey's most wanted Joanne Chesimard that the government keeps them on a fairly short leash because they do not want a lot of negative publicity by giving them a public voice.
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Joanne Chesimard is just one of many people who committed capital crimes in the USA .In addition other members of radical subversive groups that initially fled to Algeria are perceived to be in Cuba .If this country ever resumes relationships with Cuba I wonder what will happen to these people .
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Annie - Cuba is beautiful! The beaches are amongst the nicest I have seen. But the food, oh the food, well let's just say it is not so great, and it doesn't matter where you stay.


We looked into going to Cuba next week; but it was cheaper to cruise on Eurodam. And the food on Eurodam will for sure be waaaaaaay better than ANY Cuban resort.

If memory serves, you are not about the food, so you may LOVE cuba (and you don't have to worry about dress codes on formal night!)

Quite right QoO - I am not a foodie but when I go, I want to tour the island first before spending a few days on the beach.

BTW I did not rate the food on the Ryndam - I can cook better! and I cannot cook.

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I remember reading an article, in the now defunct South Florida Magazine in the 90's, that, any cruise line sailing into Cuba, would be sailing behind Carnival...words to that effect, but the message was clear.

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Just curious, and please forgive my ignorance, for I do not know as much about American politics as I should.

But, if a Cuban were to defect from Cuba and eventually become an American citizen (or landed immigrant or whatever terminology you have) ... would they be permitted to return to Cuba? If they did, would they be permitted to leave again?


I have dark skin. Although i am of Indian descent, I am very often mistaken for Hispanic .... more so in my younger days than now. I've had issues on cruise ship where a Hispanic crew member has tried to speak to me in Spanish, and when i said I was not Hispanic, they have looked at me in disgust as if I were renouncing my heritage. I've had similar isssues trying to leave Cuba, in that I have my citizenship questioned (I'm Canadian). I think on our last trip, I had my passport examined at 4 levels.
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Just curious, and please forgive my ignorance, for I do not know as much about American politics as I should.

But, if a Cuban were to defect from Cuba and eventually become an American citizen (or landed immigrant or whatever terminology you have) ... would they be permitted to return to Cuba? If they did, would they be permitted to leave again?

I have dark skin. Although i am of Indian descent, I am very often mistaken for Hispanic .... more so in my younger days than now. I've had issues on cruise ship where a Hispanic crew member has tried to speak to me in Spanish, and when i said I was not Hispanic, they have looked at me in disgust as if I were renouncing my heritage. I've had similar isssues trying to leave Cuba, in that I have my citizenship questioned (I'm Canadian). I think on our last trip, I had my passport examined at 4 levels.
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There are special rules about Cuban immigrants arising out of the same cold war policy that keeps those of us in the USA from visiting Cuba. Any Cuban immigant that reaches dry land in the United States by whatever means is automatically granted resident alien status (same thing as your landed immigrant status) and can gain citizenship upon the required waiting time and tests. They can never be deported (Elien Gonzales was an exception, it was a court ordered custody matter). However if our Coast Guard or Immigration catches them before the reach dry land they are sent back to Cuba. This is called the wet foot/dry foot policy.

Many have made trips back to see family in Cuba via special arrangements. I imagine they have no trouble leaving as they would be very stupid to return if they had outstanding criminal charges.

In 2005 when we were on the Celebrity Zenith our ship rescued a group of 10 Cuban refugees in a 10 foot boat in 15 foot seas. Becuase of the policy after they were fed and clothed they were turned over to the Coast Guard and repatriated to Cuba.
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I have dark skin. Although i am of Indian descent, I am very often mistaken for Hispanic .... more so in my younger days than now. I've had issues on cruise ship where a Hispanic crew member has tried to speak to me in Spanish, and when i said I was not Hispanic, they have looked at me in disgust as if I were renouncing my heritage. I've had similar isssues trying to leave Cuba, in that I have my citizenship questioned (I'm Canadian). I think on our last trip, I had my passport examined at 4 levels.[/QUOTE]

My best friends wife has had that happen to her many times .She too is of indian descent and is frequently mistaken for hispanic especially when we frequent spanish /mexican restaurants .
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Just an FYI..I separated the good byes from the interesting Cuba chat....
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You did ,but it appears that I started a political thread ,Trip .
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Looks like I'll be in for an interesting week....

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It will definitely be a different experience .

I vividly recall being in Canada in the 60's and 70's and seeing books sold in book stores that was not legally sold in the US .

I also still have newspapers that I bought that were published by various separtists groups .
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I vividly recall being in Canada in the 60's and 70's and seeing books sold in book stores that was not legally sold in the US .

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I found it rather strange .

There were also movies in theaters that could not be shown in the US
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I found it rather strange .

There were also movies in theaters that could not be shown in the US

Sounds a lot like Portugal under the Salazar dictatorship.

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I started reading this thread for the first time tonight, and it didn't read right. Now I know why.

I was not even aware of the rules on Americans visiting Cuba until today, when I read that more airports have opened up for direct flights. I didn't think anyone could go, but I guess there are groups that are allowed to go.

I have a question for anyone who might know. I read of a person going to Canada, and then to Cuba. What happens if you get into trouble in Cuba. Is there any sort of embassy for Americans?
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If I remember correctly, they won't stamp your passport..but risking getting caught, I wonder if the govt would make an example of you for going.

Educational groups as well as church groups can go through the proper channels..I heard tonight, Tampa will have non stop flights.

Years back, when families were allowed to visit, people used to dress in many, many layers,and when they got there, they peeled off all the layers and gave them to their family there.
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Do you plan to visit Havana?

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for many years the U.S. State Department & the Cuban government have conducted an exchange program where jazz musicians have visited Cuba to conduct workshops and play with the great Cuban jazz musicians..the New Orleans Jazz and Heritage festival has hosted many Cuban jazz groups over the years (including the Buena Vista Social Club) and is indeed one of the highlights of our festival

sports and music will be the conduit that will kick the door down when normal relationships resume, followed of course by cruiseships and cigar makers

ironic that the week following Hurricane Katrina, the Cuban government offered medical assistance for New Orleans, to the United States government, which was :eek:declined:eek:
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There are special rules about Cuban immigrants arising out of the same cold war policy that keeps those of us in the USA from visiting Cuba. Any Cuban immigant that reaches dry land in the United States by whatever means is automatically granted resident alien status (same thing as your landed immigrant status) and can gain citizenship upon the required waiting time and tests. They can never be deported (Elien Gonzales was an exception, it was a court ordered custody matter). However if our Coast Guard or Immigration catches them before the reach dry land they are sent back to Cuba. This is called the wet foot/dry foot policy.

Many have made trips back to see family in Cuba via special arrangements. I imagine they have no trouble leaving as they would be very stupid to return if they had outstanding criminal charges.

In 2005 when we were on the Celebrity Zenith our ship rescued a group of 10 Cuban refugees in a 10 foot boat in 15 foot seas. Becuase of the policy after they were fed and clothed they were turned over to the Coast Guard and repatriated to Cuba.

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I have been to Cuban restaurants in Miami and a Cuban bakery in Hartford Ct. and I allways enjoyed Cuban food.

Some of my Portuguese friends who have visited Cuba tell me that they do a good job with their pig roasts.


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Some of my Portuguese friends who have visited Cuba tell me that they do a good job with their pig roasts.


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Manuel, are you Portuguese?
I was born in Portugal, and I am 100% fluent in the Portuguese language, but I have been a US Citizen for some time.
I have met several ship's officers who are Portuguese and I allways have a good conversation with them.

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It is similar, but there are many differences. Portuguese has more Arab influence. Also some letters such as the J are pronounced differently. Portuguese is more like Galician than Spanish.

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I could tell you a lot more, I have read all I can about the history and cultures of the Iberian Peninsula.

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