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Old August 28th, 2011, 07:48 PM
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Three of the major cruise lines -- Carnival, Princess, and Holland America -- revised their smoking policies to ban smoking in most public spaces and all staterooms, effective Dec. 1, 2011 for Carnival and Jan. 15, 2012 for Princess and HAL.

Azamara Club Cruises and Oceania Cruises are the best cruise lines around for nonsmokers, and the worst for smokers. Both lines ban smoking in staterooms, on stateroom balconies, and in all but two small public areas aboard each of their midsize ships.

Among the megaship lines, Princess Cruises and Celebrity Cruises share top honors, with policies that ban smoking in all staterooms, on stateroom balconies, and in almost all public areas (save for designated smoking areas in some bars and lounges and designated sections of the open decks). Princess's updated policy goes into effect Jan. 15, 2012.

Among the smaller, more specialized lines, top honors go to Connecticut-based American Cruise Lines, whose small 50- to 140-passenger ships are all entirely smoke-free. Runners-up are Lindblad Expeditions and Windstar Cruises, which allow smoking only in designated outdoor areas. Luxe line SeaDream Yacht Club allows smoking only outside on decks 3, 4, and 6 -- except during dining hours, when the line's vessels become entirely smoke-free.

Smoking Regulations, Line by Line

Azamara Club Cruises

Azamara's 710-passenger Azamara Journey and Azamara Quest each have two designated smoking areas, located in the aft port-side section of the Looking Glass Lounge and on the starboard forward section of the Pool Deck. All other areas of the ships are nonsmoking, including all public rooms, restaurants, the majority of the pool deck, and all corridors, staterooms, and stateroom balconies. Smokers who ignore the rules and light up in their staterooms or on their balconies get slapped with a $250 cleaning fee, and "may be subject to further action pursuant to the Consequences Section of the line's Guest Conduct Policy.

Carnival Cruise Lines

Effective just last week, cigarette smoking in public areas aboard Carnival's ships is permitted only in dance clubs, designated areas of the casino and casino bar, certain sections of the open decks, and in the jazz clubs on Carnival Destiny, Triumph, Victory, Spirit, Pride, Legend, Miracle, Conquest, Glory, Valor, Liberty, Freedom, and Splendor. Cigar smoking is also permitted in the jazz clubs and, on some vessels, in designated on-deck spaces. As of Dec. 1, 2011, smoking will be forbidden in staterooms fleetwide, though it will still be permitted on stateroom balconies (except those attached to spa staterooms aboard Carnival Splendor, Dream, and Magic).

Celebrity Cruises

Celebrity's 10 megaships are officially designated as nonsmoking, with smoking prohibited in staterooms, on stateroom balconies, and in most public areas. Smoking is permitted in designated sections of some public bars/lounges and designated sections of the outside decks. As aboard sister-line Azamara, smokers who ignore the rules and light up in their staterooms or on their balconies are penalized with a $250 cleaning fee and may be subject to further action, up to and including being booted off the ship at the next port of call and left to get home on their own.

Costa Cruises

Smoking is permitted in staterooms and private balconies and in designated areas of most public rooms on board Costa ships. It's prohibited in the restaurants, theaters, corridors, elevators, and stairwells.

Crystal Cruises

Most public areas aboard Crystal's two midsize luxury ships are smoke-free, including the main dining room, the bistro, the alternative restaurants, the show lounge, and the indoor portions of the buffet restaurant. Cigarette smoking is permitted in staterooms, on stateroom balconies, and at designated tables in most bars and lounges. Pipes and cigars are permitted only in the Connoisseur Club and on most open decks (except all areas of the Lido Deck -- Deck 11 on Crystal Symphony, Deck 12 on Crystal Serenity). Pipes and cigars are prohibited in staterooms, on stateroom balconies, and in the ships' corridors.

Cunard Line

Cunard recently amended its smoking policy and now prohibits smoking in all staterooms and all indoor public areas except Churchill's Cigar Lounge, where only cigars are welcome (no cigarettes, please). Smoking is permitted in designated sections of the open decks and from private stateroom balconies.

Disney Cruise Line

Smoking is prohibited in all staterooms on Disney's three ships, though it is permitted on stateroom balconies. In the public areas, regulations vary by ship: Aboard Disney Magicand Disney Wonder, guests can light up outdoors (a) on the starboard side of Deck 4 between 6pm and 6am, and (b) on the starboard side of Decks 9 and 10, except in the "Mickey's Pool" area. Aboard the new Disney Dream, smokers can do their thing (a) on the starboard side of Deck 4 between 6pm and 6am, (b) on the starboard side of the outdoor Currents bar on Deck 13 forward, and (c) on the outdoor smoking deck attached to the Meridian Lounge on Deck 12 aft. Passengers discovered trying to smoke in their staterooms are charged a $250 "stateroom recovery fee" that covers "air filter replacement, carpet extraction and the cleaning and replacement of drapes, comforters, blankets and pillows."

Holland America Line

Holland America currently permits smoking in the casino, the sports bar, in sections of the outside decks, in staterooms, and on stateroom balconies, and in either the Northern Lights Disco (aboard Eurodam, Oosterdam, Noordam, Nieuw Amsterdam, Westerdam, and Zuiderdam) or the Crow's Nest lounge (on all the line's other ships). Cigar and pipe smoking is only permitted in sections of the outside decks. Beginning Jan. 15, 2012, smoking will be banned in all staterooms, though it will still be permitted on stateroom balconies.

Lindblad Expeditions

Smoking is permitted only in designated outdoor areas on Lindblad's small, expedition-oriented ships. No smoking is permitted anywhere inside.

MSC Cruises

Smoking is permitted in several bars on each MSC ship and on one side of the principal outdoor pool deck areas. It's also permitted (though "highly discouraged") in staterooms, but is forbidden on stateroom balconies.

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Smoking is prohibited in most public areas aboard NCL's ships. Cigarette smoking is permitted only in staterooms, on stateroom balconies, in the casino, in the Cigar Bar (on ships that have them), and on open decks (except near food venues, sport decks, kids' pool areas, and other designated non-smoking zones). Pipe and cigar smokers must contain themselves to the Cigar Bar or designated smoking lounge and to the smoking zones on the outside decks.

Oceania Cruises

Smoking is banned practically everywhere aboard Oceania's four midsize ships, including staterooms, stateroom balconies, and almost all public areas. Cigarette smoking is permitted only in the forward starboard corner of the Pool Deck (Deck 9) and in the aft port corner of Horizons observation lounge (Deck 10). Cigar and pipe smoking is only permitted on the forward starboard corner of the Pool Deck. Guests who flout the line's smoking policy "will be disembarked at the next port of call and may also be subject to additional fees" to cover cleaning.

Princess Cruises

Currently, Princess allows smoking in designated smoking areas that include cigar lounges, a section of the nightclub and casino, and portions of the open decks, as well as in staterooms and on stateroom balconies. After Jan. 15, 2012, smoking will be prohibited in all staterooms and stateroom balconies, and smokers who try to sneak a smoke there will be fined $250 per occurrence, charged to their stateroom account.

Regent Seven Seas Cruises

Regent Seven Seas Cruises prohibits smoking in all staterooms and stateroom balconies, as well as in most public rooms and all food-service areas (except designated areas of the pool grills). Smoking is permitted on outdoor decks and in the casino, the cigar lounge, and the pool bar, as well as in a designated area of the nightclub and an outside portion of the observation lounge. Pipe smoking is only permitted in the cigar lounge, while cigars may be smoked there and in a designated section of the Pool Bar. "Failure to comply with this ban will result in guests being asked to leave the ship at their expense," says the line's FAQs, "without refund or credit for the unused portion of their cruise."

Royal Caribbean International

Smoking is prohibited in staterooms and most public areas aboard Royal Caribbean's ships. Designated smoking areas vary by ship but are generally located outdoors on one side of the vessel, in designated areas of the ships' bars and lounges, and on private balconies (except those aboard Oasis and Allure of the Seas that face inward, toward the ships' open-air Boardwalk and Central Park neighborhoods). Pipe and cigar smoking is permitted only in cigar lounges (on ships that have them) or in another designated area (on ships that don't). A $250 cleaning fee is levied on anyone caught smoking in their staterooms or on inward-facing private balconies.

Seabourn Cruise Line

Aboard Seabourn's six small luxury ships, smoking is permitted in staterooms, on stateroom balconies, on the starboard sides of the Sky Bar and Observation Bar, and in designated areas on deck. Pipe and cigar smoking is permitted only outside on deck on the vessels' starboard sides, except during on-deck meal service.

SeaDream Yacht Club

Smoking is prohibited in all indoor areas of SeaDream's two 110-passenger luxury ships, including their staterooms. No staterooms aboard these ships have private balconies, so that's not an option either. Smoking is only permitted outdoors on Decks 3, 4, and 6, except during meal hours.

Silversea Cruises

Aboard Silversea's luxury ships, smoking is permitted only in staterooms, at designated tables in some bars and lounges, and in specifically designated outside areas on the open deck. Cigar and pipe smoking are only permitted in the Connoisseur's Corner cigar clubs and in designated outside areas on one or two decks, depending on the ship. Smoking is not permitted on private verandas.

Star Clippers

The three Star Clippers sailing ships follow a no-smoking policy in the staterooms and in all public areas except the outside decks and a designated portion of the piano bar lounge. Pipe and cigar smoking is allowed only on open decks.

Windstar Cruises

Aboard Windstar, smoking is prohibited in all staterooms and all enclosed public areas. It's permitted only in designated areas on the open decks.

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Seems like an accurate list with the exception of Norweigan. Smoking is now prohibited inside the cabins, and all indoor areas (except the cigar bar) with the exception of the casino.
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so smoking is limited. I get it. But, is anyone aware of the cruiseline's view/approval of Hookahs? I assume they would be limited to smoking areas, but are they allowed....assuming you use commercially packaged tobacco of course?

Should I even risk taking mine on the adriatic?
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Although it's not a cruiseship, I was in a very upscale restaurant this weekend in Knoxville that not only allows smoking in their bar but even hosts a weekly Cigar Club in their bar! How can they do this without upsetting non-smokers. Very simply. I can sit at the bar and have a cigarette yet my sister-in-law sat who can't stand smoking and was sitting right next to me was not bothered at all. It's all due to a specialized and very expensive ventilation system.

So for anyone interested in solving this problem to the satisfaction of both smokers and non smokers, there is a solution. So much for "political correctness."

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Although it's not a cruiseship, I was in a very upscale restaurant this weekend in Knoxville that not only allows smoking in their bar but even hosts a weekly Cigar Club in their bar! How can they do this without upsetting non-smokers. Very simply. I can sit at the bar and have a cigarette yet my sister-in-law sat who can't stand smoking and was sitting right next to me was not bothered at all. It's all due to a specialized and very expensive ventilation system.

So for anyone interested in solving this problem to the satisfaction of both smokers and non smokers, there is a solution. So much for "political correctness."
Here in Massachusetts, our "Great and General Court" (legislature) enacted a law banning smoking in any indoor place of employment -- and "place of employment" includes any room that a janitor must enter to clean, even if no other worker enters the room for any other purpose. The installation of such your fancy ventillation system would not satisfy this law.

This law actually did quite a bit to clean up state politics. The back rooms where legislators meet to cobble together their deals are no longer smoke-filled. ;-o

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This law actually did quite a bit to clean up state politics. The back rooms where legislators meet to cobble together their deals are no longer smoke-filled. ;-o

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Of course it would be just as well to cover all the politicians in a thick cloud of smoke.

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Of course it would be just as well to cover all the politicians in a thick cloud of smoke.
You actually want to let them hide behind a smokescreen???

No, thank you! It's much better to expose them to the light of day!

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I am a smoker and a very courteous one. I have cruised over 20 times on Princess, most of the time paying the single supplement. I have stayed loyal to the line and have earned Elite status which includes some very nice "perks".

I have never broken any rules regarding smoking areas, but now I feel that my business and my loyalty are not wanted. There are hundreds of cabins on any given ship - why can't a small percentage be designated "smoking cabins"?

Please, as much as I love all of you, don't lecture me, just answer the question posed in the above paragraph.
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Arrow Norweigan's smoking policy as of 9/1/11

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Seems like an accurate list with the exception of Norweigan. Smoking is now prohibited inside the cabins, and all indoor areas (except the cigar bar) with the exception of the casino.
Starting January 2012 guests will not be permitted to smoke cigarettes in their staterooms. Following is the complete smoking policy.

Guest Staterooms

Cigarette smoking in staterooms is prohibited.
Cigarette smoking on balconies is permitted.
Cigar and pipe smoking in staterooms and on balconies is prohibited.
Indoor Public Guest Spaces

All public interior venues, with the exception of the enclosed cigar bars and the casino, are non-smoking. Smoking is prohibited in all restaurants, bars, theatres, meeting rooms, restrooms, corridors, stairwells and lobbies.
Cigarette smoking in the casino is permitted.
Cigarette, cigar and pipe smoking is permitted in enclosed cigar bars on board Norwegian Epic, Norwegian Gem, Norwegian Pearl, Norwegian Dawn and Norwegian Spirit.
Outdoor Public Guest Spaces and Open Decks

Cigarette, cigar and pipe smoking is permitted on outdoor public guest spaces and open decks where designated by the ship's management based on the ship's specific characteristics and arrangements.
No smoking is permitted in or near venues serving food, the jogging track, outdoor sporting venues, The Haven outdoor areas and children's pool areas.
Ship's management may also prohibit outdoor smoking at certain times such as during safety drills, tendering operations or while refueling.
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That is an interesting question belgique. Maybe they don't allow it because the room might be harder to sell if they were the only ones left available.
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Seems to me that the cruise industry as a whole are saying to smokers...We don't want your business, take your vacation dollars elsewhere....and we will!!
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since I just landed a junior suite..... looks like my hookah will be accompanying me on my cruise HAppy times
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Seems to me that the cruise industry as a whole are saying to smokers...We don't want your business, take your vacation dollars elsewhere....and we will!!
The cruise lines are protecting the interest of all passengers, non smokers expect to be able to enjoy there cruise without inhaling second hand smoke.
After all, those veranda's are not cheap.
Kinda hard to do, if people are smoking.

I still can't determine whose money is worth more, a smoker or non smoker?
I guess the cruise lines will reap the benefits of the fine imposed to smokers getting caught smoking.
Smokers win.

Anyway, It is my understanding, A cigerette was the cause of a fire on the Star Princess.
Oh well, I guess the cruise line enjoys having to scrub a celing, walls and steam clean the carpets after being used by a smoker.
The bed spreads can be changed out in no time.

Personally, I don't have a problem with smokers until they exhale.

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The cruise lines are protecting the interest of all passengers, non smokers expect to be able to enjoy there cruise without inhaling second hand smoke.
After all, those veranda's are not cheap.
Kinda hard to do, if people are smoking.
Except for Princess and Celebrity I believe all the mass market ships will continue to allow smoking on the balconies. At least that's what it says on the lists you posted.
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I have never broken any rules regarding smoking areas, but now I feel that my business and my loyalty are not wanted. There are hundreds of cabins on any given ship - why can't a small percentage be designated "smoking cabins"?
There probably are two parts to the answer to this.

>> 1. There are several factors that result in higher costs.

* Smoking cabins require more frequent deep cleaning (dry cleaning of draperies, bedspreads, and blankets, shampooing of carpets, etc.) and more frequent replacement of pillows and of filters in the ventilation system to keep the room smelling fresh. The cost of this additional cleaning is not trivial, especially when you consider the direct labor involved. Note that the cleaning fees that most hotels charge to guests who smoke in non-smoking rooms now start at $250.

* Cigarettes dropped by people who nod off to sleep while smoking in bed have long been a major source of fires -- and we both know that some passengers would smoke in bed if permitted to smoke in their cbins. Thus, insurance companies probably offer much lower rates to cruise lines that forbid smoking in cabins than for those that don't.

* There also have been more than a few instances in which cigarette butts pitched overboard from cabin balconies have been sucked into the ship's air intakes and gotten into places where they have started shipboard fires. This also would affect insurance costs, but a major fire also would put a ship out of service for a couple months, depriving the line of revenues during that period.

>> 2. Smokers now constitue a very small percentage of the travelling public that is still declining. Airlines phased out smoking on their aircraft over a decade ago, and the first to do so actually saw an increase in their market share because they drew more non-smokers from competitors than the number of smokers that they lost to competitors. Many airport terminals also are completely nonsmoking now, so you can't even light up between flights without leaving the secure area and having to clear security all over again. In the cruise industry, the lines that imposed more restrictive smoking policies two or three years ago also did not lose business as a result, so it's not surprising that the rest are now following suit.

The decision to institute more restrictive smoking policies is indeed a business decision. If the executives of a cruise line thought for a minute that they would win more passengers from other lines by retaining less restrictive smoking policies, and thus would be able to charge higher fares and make more profit, they absolutely would do so.

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Probably one of the BEST responses to this post and really makes alot of sense !
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