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ToddDH April 21st, 2012 09:09 PM

An historical tidbit for our Jewish members
 
If you look at one of the circles on a dollar bill, you will find that included are thirteen stars. Look closely and you'll see that they're shaped as the Star of David.

The story goes that a wealthy Jewish Philadelphian by the name of Hayim Soloman was responsible for providing extensive funding of the Continental Army. When George Washington was President and the dollar was being designed, he asked Soloman what he would like to honor his considerable contribution to our victory.

He replied to the effect that he did not want any honor for himself but would greatly appreciate acknowledgement of his people. Thus those thirteen stars were formed in a Star of David.

BTW, Soloman died a pauper.

Is this a great nation or what?

Trip April 21st, 2012 09:11 PM

Live and learn, thanks!

Lakers Fan April 21st, 2012 10:19 PM

A true and wonderful story

KellyKayden April 22nd, 2012 03:18 AM

Thank you todd..much love

Mike M April 22nd, 2012 12:40 PM

This isn't "entirely" accurate. The Great Seal of the United States is what contains this symbol and nothing to do with the dollar bill. Other than the current dollar bill displays the Great Seal of the United States.

The original dollar bill was not printed until 1862 and looked nothing like it does today. It wasn't until the 1920's that something similar to our current dollar was introduced.

The story of Hayim Soloman and the Star of David may be a tribute to when the Great Seal was designed but it wasn't because of the U.S. Dollar.

Take care,
Mike

ToddDH April 22nd, 2012 04:40 PM

Mike,

You are absolutely correct, as usual. I didn't think about the dollar bill not being the same (or even close) until Lincoln was President and that is why I wrote Washington....and yes, it was the seal of the United States on which it first appeared as per the part concerning Washington, as it remains to this day.

Thanks for the correction.

MercedMike April 23rd, 2012 12:31 PM

Seal?
 
As the line from West Side Story says, "That's a touchin' good story!"

The contributions of Hayim Solomon to the American Revolution are well documented. I hardly thinks it justifies the title of one article I found while researching this, "How Jews Saved the American Revolution." But there is no question that he was a dedicated patriot, as were many other men of many religions. It also appears that he was a devout Jew and practiced his religion.

What I am not finding in reputable historical accounts is any documentation that he mixed the two. It appears he went to synagogue and worshiped regularly, and it appears that he took an active part in the Revolution, not because he was Jewish but because he was a patriot.

And sadly, that very nice story about the Great Seal of the US warrants, at best, a note that "some historians think ..." without any citations. The most general comment in reliable articles about the story is that "there is no documentary evidence." I think Solomon's Star of David on the Great Seal deserves its place in popular stories along with Betsy Ross' flag, equally undocumented.

Don't mean to derogate anyone and certainly not any religion. But I like to see facts labeled as facts and stories labeled as nice stories.

earl April 23rd, 2012 05:29 PM

Thanks for sharing!!!

ToddDH April 23rd, 2012 08:00 PM

MercedMike,

There are nice stories and then there are NICE stories. Actually, history points to not only Hayman Solomon's contribution to our revolution to be not in the least unequivocal and wuld leave one at the very least, to have the stars placed, in his honor, as the Star of David is not only appropriate, but profides multidudinous reasons for such an award.

As a matter of fact, more than several Jewish men were instrumental in our Revolution, far more than is generally recognized and that Mike, is fact.

MercedMike April 24th, 2012 11:02 AM

Contributions to the Revolution
 
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Originally Posted by ToddDH (Post 1426282)
MercedMike,

There are nice stories and then there are NICE stories. Actually, history points to not only Hayman Solomon's contribution to our revolution to be not in the least unequivocal and wuld leave one at the very least, to have the stars placed, in his honor, as the Star of David is not only appropriate, but profides multidudinous reasons for such an award.

As a matter of fact, more than several Jewish men were instrumental in our Revolution, far more than is generally recognized and that Mike, is fact.

Indeed, Todd, the first thing my post said was that his contributions to the Revolution are well documented. I am not trying to be controversial here, just enter into an informed discussion on a subject which is of considerable interest to me, the symbolism in the Great Seal ( which therefore becomes the symbolism of the modern dollar bill).

Considering the amount of anti-Semitism still sadly present in the world, overemphasizing the fact that some of the founders of the nation were Jewish might backfire. As a Freemason I am well aware that the conspiracy theorists make much of the fact that some of the Founding Fathers were Freemasons and that certain elements of the great seal, such as the All Seeing Eye, are also used by Masons. They might also be prepared to seize on the presence of a Star of David in the Great Seal as evidence to foster their hate campaign. For instance, check out this distortion of history: Codex Magica - 13

Despite the nice story of Hayim Solomon being honored, and despite the hate story about Hayim Solomon and Rothschild and bribery, it happens that there were 13 colonies that joined together. This has led to much nonsense regarding the number 13 and its use in the flag and the seal. There are 13 stars because there happened to be 13 colonies. One way to arrange 13 points is in a double hexagon (6x2=12) with a single point in the center to make 13. If you look at the seal closely it essentially looks like a circle with 6 projections. Connecting certain of the stars will indeed yield the geometric figure of two triangles which since the Middle Ages has been known as the Seal of Solomon or the Star of David. To do so, you have to use 12 stars and ignore the 13th. If one colony had not been included the representation would have been better.

We have many cherished stories which historians cannot document. George Washington was certainly a major participant in the Revolution. He probably never did cut down that cherry tree. Hayim Solomon was certainly a major participant in the Revolution. That a Star of David was placed in the Seal to honor him is a good story but unlikely. If the Seal committee chose to honor everyone who contributed to the Revolution the Seal would be so crowded with special additions we probably couldn't make them out.

Here is an article you might find of great interest which is full of conjecture about the Jewish, Masonic and Kaballistic symbols in the Great Seal without descending in to hate: http://concen.org/forum/showthread.php?tid=33748. No mention of Hayim Solomon, however.

Respect is certainly due to all the Christians, Deists, Jews, blacks and many other participants in the Revolution. I would not derogate any group for taking pride in their contributions. But overall it was not any group except patriots that achieved freedom for this country.


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