You Just Aren't Going To Believe This!

[ToddDH]

The current Administration has now threatened Florida with a Federal Suit? Why? Because the State intends to determine that those voting are not illegal immigrants or to be politically correct, non elligible voters!

The Feds say it violates Constitutional rights!

I'm not kidding! This is a FACT!!!!

Are you kidding me or what? Have we lost our minds?

Don't believe this? Check the facts! I've already done the research.

[Donna]

wow Todd,
It is just unbelieveable....What next, huh?

[Kuki]

It's an old story that's been going on for awhile now. Florida has already agreed to back off.

They had already determined and declared a WWII Veteran to be an "ineligble voter", and were demanding he prove he was a US citizen before he was reinstated.

A court also threw out a suit today that demanded your President prove he is an American citizen, as they stated the one he produced last election is a forgery.

Check the statistics for voter fraud in the US, and I think you'll find actual incidents of it in the past are statistically insiginificant.

Just trying to think logically, how many "illegal citizens" do you really think are going to try to vote? You think that would be a significant number?

As I'm not a citizen of the US, I probably should keep my mouth shut.. BUT it seems your citizenship has become so partisan, and so divided, very few are really interested in finding the right thing to do for your country. And that includes choosing people to "serve you" in government.

[Marc]

Originally Posted by Kuki

As I'm not a citizen of the US, I probably should keep my mouth shut..

I tend to agree; on this topic. I really love all your cruise posts and blogs; though.

Marc

[Manuel]

I am a Florida resident, I am registered to vote. If I have to prove my Citizenship then everyone would have to prove the same.

Am I going to be called an illegal alien because I have a Latin name?

TM

[ToddDH]

You are undoubtedly right about the partisanship but I must say, you don't give me enough credit.

What I said goes for ALL INVOLVED, REGARDLESS OF PARTY!

Yes, I'm relative conservative (at least when it involves either law enforcement of National security) and it's not as if I like the current President, which of course I don't. But the reasons I don't might surprise you.

I don't like him because of course he isn't the first nor will he be the last who has held office without sufficient political experience. The problem lies in the fact that not only does he not have experience, a majority of his adivsors don't know doodly squat about how international politics work.

Would Romney be better? I haven't a clue and were he to be elected and did the same basic things the current President has done, I'd be all over his ass like a pig in slop!

Our current President is also a Socialist (so was FDR for that matter) but FDR was the right man for the job at the time. At least FDR had plenty of experience both with State and Federal Government.

This guy doesn't even come close to cutting the mustard. Oh, and for the record, I came within a hairsbreath for voting for the guy because of his obvious intelligence. I have since learned that intelligence, while very important, is only half the battle. The other half lies in experience and sadly, our current President has none prior to holding office (unless you count local community organization as experience... and relatively little at that too, I might add). My personal thought is, that Obama could have made an outstanding President had he merely waited and gained the experience as he has a level of intelligence that equals or surpasses the average President. He didn't wait and now he pays the price for jumping in too soon.

As for Scooter Libby, as reprehensible as his act was, it was LONG AFTER the fact. That remains no excuse and in my book, he shouldn't have been pardoned (which in fact he wasn't completely, anyway).

[Lakers Fan]

Todd:are you saying Obama is a Socialist based on his economic policies or is your point of view that his domestic and foreign are those of a Socialist ?If its the latter I disagree with you .

Secondly ,in what way in your opinion was FDR a Socialist ?

[Manuel]

This thread started out about voting in Florida. Now we are discussing who is or isn't a socialist.

I love this site.

TM

[ToddDH]

Henry,

Then at least in part, we agree to disagree.

Obama's world tour where he made every apology known to man for this country's behavior was socialistically based.

As for FDR, of course he was a socialist and that doesn't make "socialist" a bad word either. Some of his programs were shut down for that reason. Were some of them good, though? They probably were. Others, not so good. BTW, he didn't even come close to solving the Great Depression. WWII did that. Was it worth the price. That's for the individual to figure out.

All that being the case, in hindsight, was he the right man for the job? You betcha'!

[Mike M]

I just figured out how to end the "Birth Certificate" controversy. Just have President Obama take a cruise and use his birth certificate as ID. If he's allowed on board it's real and if he's denied it's fake.

You know those check-in people at pier have the final say.

Take care,
Mike

[Manuel]

Mike, I have cruised 15 times and have never had to show my Birth Certificate.

TM

[Mike M]

Originally Posted by Manuel

Mike, I have cruised 15 times and have never had to show my Birth Certificate.

TM

I assume you have a passport.

Take care,
Mike

[Manuel]

Originally Posted by Mike M

I assume you have a passport.

Take care,
Mike

Yes, I have a passport, and the people at chek-in might not be able to read Portuguese.

TM

[ship2shore]

If Obama is a "socialist" hes the most conservative socialist EVER. Anyone who calls him a socialist DONT KNOW SOCIALISM. If the USA ever tried anything like socialism, there would be civil war for certain. Lets stop using a term that doesnt and couldnt EVER apply.

[Lakers Fan]

Originally Posted by ship2shore

If Obama is a "socialist" hes the most conservative socialist EVER. Anyone who calls him a socialist DONT KNOW SOCIALISM. If the USA ever tried anything like socialism, there would be civil war for certain. Lets stop using a term that doesnt and couldnt EVER apply.

A socialist does not send troops into foreign nations ,she or he removes them .

[Aidan]

Originally Posted by ToddDH

Our current President is also a Socialist . . .

Do you accept Socialist social security payments or send them back? Ever use Socialist Medicare? Do you drive on Socialist interstate highways?

I'm sure the answer is "NO", but just asking.

[blueliner]

Originally Posted by Henry43

A socialist does not send troops into foreign nations ,she or he removes them .

Socialism is a form of economic theory, not a foreign policy ideology. Socialism is the opposite of capitalism, it involves complete government control of the economy with little to no private ownership. There are plenty of examples of socialist governments invading other countries, perhaps the best example is the ultimate socialist state, the USSR, invaded Afghanistan in 1980.

[Lakers Fan]

Originally Posted by blueliner

Socialism is a form of economic theory, not a foreign policy ideology. Socialism is the opposite of capitalism, it involves complete government control of the economy with little to no private ownership. There are plenty of examples of socialist governments invading other countries, perhaps the best example is the ultimate socialist state, the USSR, invaded Afghanistan in 1980.

Once again I sit corrected .

[Manuel]

Originally Posted by Aidan

Do you accept Socialist social security payments or send them back? Ever use Socialist Medicare? Do you drive on Socialist interstate highways?

I'm sure the answer is "NO", but just asking.

You make a good point.
I do accept Socialist Social Security and Socialist Medicare and a Socialist disability Payment from the Veterans Administration. and I do drive on Socialist highways.

I guess that I am just a Socialist LIberal.

TM

[anniegb]

Originally Posted by Henry43

A socialist does not send troops into foreign nations ,she or he removes them .

OK I am not American but can I say Tony Blair?

Annie

[anniegb]

Originally Posted by blueliner

Socialism is a form of economic theory, not a foreign policy ideology. Socialism is the opposite of capitalism, it involves complete government control of the economy with little to no private ownership. There are plenty of examples of socialist governments invading other countries, perhaps the best example is the ultimate socialist state, the USSR, invaded Afghanistan in 1980.

Most would accept that the old USSR was Communist and not socialist.

Annie

[blueliner]

Originally Posted by anniegb

Most would accept that the old USSR was Communist and not socialist.

Annie

The old USSR was, in reality, a socialist dictatorship, not communist. It was in the name: Union of Soviet Socialist Republics.

Although the name of the ruling party in the USSR for the 70+ some odd years it ruled was called the Communist Party, the USSR was never really a "communist" country in the form of communism described by Karl Marx. The Soviet Union was in fact a Socialist dictatorship. We in the west always called them communist, because they followed Marx's thoeries and called their ruling party Communist, but the rulers never allowed the progression of the country to the true form of communism, they remained a socialist dictatorship.

[buttons16]

There are issue's with Florida and many other states during an election...I remember on 20/20 news cast they showed deputies in a Florida town block the only road into town for people to vote while George Bush was president...

I also remember a problem with the instuctions on voting cards in another state where the writting was too small and confusing.

I also remember in NY a story broke about thousand of votes not counted because they were never picked up...

What about the Acorn scandal that invovled fake votes across the country

Whenever something like an election takes place people will do anything to get their party line elected...This is not an isolated case, It happens every 4 years.

I do believe this thread is being Hijacked by brigning up socialism. I dont get the connection.

[Manuel]

Originally Posted by buttons16

I do believe this thread is being Hijacked by brigning up socialism. I dont get the connection.

I feel the same way.

TM

[KellyKayden]

Originally Posted by Mike M

I just figured out how to end the "Birth Certificate" controversy. Just have President Obama take a cruise and use his birth certificate as ID. If he's allowed on board it's real and if he's denied it's fake.

You know those check-in people at pier have the final say.

Take care,
Mike

**winner of best post of the day

[AR]

Originally Posted by ToddDH

What I said goes for ALL INVOLVED, REGARDLESS OF PARTY!

If you want to convince yourself that what Florida is trying to do is really to protect the integrity of elections, that's your privilege. But of course it isn't. What they are trying to do is disenfranchise the poor and minorities in order to insure a GOP victory in a swing state.

The folly of their efforts has already been laid bare in countless ways; all you have to do is read the papers to see them.

Kuki's got it right, and I think he should post on any topic he likes, despite what Marc says.

And honestly Todd, there's really no need to try to invoke nonpartisanship on this issue. It is utterly partisan by its nature, and it is the classic cure for which there is no disease.

I hope all efforts to bring this transparent ruse to an ignominious end are successful.

[ship2shore]

Beware the Canadians... theyre quietly watching, waiting and biding their time....
The worst part is, they LOOK and SOUND just like us. Its just Spooky.

[Manuel]

Originally Posted by Kuki

As I'm not a citizen of the US, I probably should keep my mouth shut.. BUT it seems your citizenship has become so partisan, and so divided, very few are really interested in finding the right thing to do for your country. And that includes choosing people to "serve you" in government.

I welcome your views. I know you are Canadian, but you are very informed on US topics.

TM

[ToddDH]

AR,

With all due respect, I mean exactly what I wrote. I think that a person should prove their citizenship before they're allowed to vote.....regardless of for whom or what party that vote is cast.

[Manuel]

Originally Posted by ToddDH

AR,

With all due respect, I mean exactly what I wrote. I think that a person should prove their citizenship before they're allowed to vote.....regardless of for whom or what party that vote is cast.

Should that not be done at the time you register to vote?

TM