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Old December 29th, 2013, 10:28 AM
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I just read about another overboard on the Adventure of the Seas, yesterday, and, as we close out 2013, it just reminded me, that since 1990, when I started cruising, how often these situations happen now, as compared to my early days.


Whether by drunkiness, tomfoolery, or suicide by cruise ship, these passings used to be so shocking, but, sadly are too commomplace now.
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Old December 29th, 2013, 10:45 AM
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It's indeed sad that this still happens but I suspect it always will.

Tomfoolery ....believe it or not I have never heard this before but for some reason it tickles me funny!
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On my Med cruise on the Magic, John Heald announced an overboard, which turned out to be a false alarm...The husband was in the casino!


That word just shows my age...it seemed apropos for bad behavior on a ship.
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I've heard of tomfoolery and I'm Robin's age.

It's sad that so many people go overboard.
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That word just shows my age...it seemed apripos for bad behavior on a ship.
My 17 year old knew the word....it must have been something that deleted itself from my memory.
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It must be more common these days, the one Trip mentioned yesterday, haven't seen anything about it....When I first started cruising in the late 80's, you never heard of this happening, either that, or it did happen, you just didn't hear about it? Yes, it truly is sad...
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I give it two or three years until they enclose the balconies and outer decks. I think I'll buy stock in a Plexiglas manufacturer.


We'll all pay for the actions of a very few.


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I fear Mike is correct. If not caged balconies and 8 foot tall handrails on the open decks, they'll have safety nets that they can deploy after leaving a dock that extend outward for 20 feet.
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This guy apparently JUMPED.
No amount of plexiglass will prevent that. He'll just find a "weak spot" in the defenses...
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On my Med cruise on the Magic, John Heald announced an overboard, which turned out to be a false alarm...The husband was in the casino!
Same thing.
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Another guy is missing from the Independance of the Seas... this time a man in his 60's.
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They could add suicide nets around the ship.
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Just my opinion, but I don't think we'll ever see enclosed balconies and decks. Cruisers generally avoid even a "hull" balcony like the plague. I don't know how they could ever design a new ship which would be suicide proof that anyone would actually want to sail on. And the cost would be astronomical to retro fit every ship. I certainly would never book one. Spring breakers fall from hotel balconies every year in Florida, yet the balconies are not sealed with iron bars because the hotels have no incentive to do so, and the general public would not like it.

And really, the cruise lines have no incentive to make ships suicide proof. They would never have any liability in one of those situations. Same reason I believe, only Disney provides lifeguards at the ship pools. With no lifeguards, you are at your own risk. If lifeguards are provided, then technically the cruiseline is assuming responsibility for you safety in the pool and it goes from "at your own risk" to someone drowns because the cruise line was negligent.
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The Veendam had an overboard call, on the 3rd.. passengers were ordered to their cabins, and, no further explanation was offered.
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Re/ suicides on ships, ( or anywhere else for that matter) if a person is set on killing him / her self, there's not much way to prevent it.
There's pills to O.D.on, jump off buildings, bridges, guns, poison, knives and the list goes on.
Regarding " suicide " nets extending out from the ship and 8 ft. railings, if a person were intent on going overboard, they could just as easily climb over
8 ft. rails as 4 ft. rails. and If they jumped into a suicide net, what would keep them from simply climbing to the end of the net and then jumping?
It's sad but you cannot protect people from themselves.
I don't mean to sound harsh but if someone wants to do themselves harm, to me it's better that they harm only themselves rather than an innocent person or group of people in the process.
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I don't mean to sound harsh but if someone wants to do themselves harm, to me it's better that they harm only themselves rather than an innocent person or group of people in the process.

I don't think that you are harsh at all. It's those shoot a bunch of people and then commit suicide that make really up-set.
It's sad for someone to take their own life, but to take the lives of others is certainly worse.


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We just came off the Liberty of the Seas New Year's Cruise which was fantastic. When our cabin steward introduced herself, she asked if we were jumpers. I asked her back if she commonly had jumpers and she wouldn't answer. It was really odd.
This kind of thing is sad but it happens. I don't believe it is the cruise lines responsibility.
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Deb, the fact that your cabin steward even asked that question is something I am sure, the cruise line would be very unhappy to hear.


The Veendam passenger I mentioned, in my post above, was an elderly woman....still questions attatched to the situation.
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Deb, I agree with Trip, what a very strange and disturbing thing to ask.
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