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Lakota June 30th, 2004 10:37 AM

Officer positions
 
What kind of experience is required to be an officer? I have an MBA and interact daily with people. Is there a pay comparison at the officer level for different cruise lines? If so, can someone post it?

Thanks.

experiance captain July 1st, 2004 07:50 AM

Re: Officer positions
 
your best bet to be accepted on a cruise ship vessel would be to go to another country that has a higher payscale or cost of living.right now the cruise industry saves millions by hiring foriegners from out of the country.low wages and no unemployment benefits
are given to them.they are contracted out of their country for 6 to9 months out of each year.if they break their contract by behavior or disapline or poor work,they have to pay their way back and forfeit their rest of pay back to the cruise line.its not likely for an american to be seen working on a cruise ship?except if you were a cruise director.
the pay sucks.no american would survive on that.keep this in mind..happy trails
been there,done that!!!!!!

electra181 July 1st, 2004 09:46 AM

Re: Officer positions
 
don't listen- that's not true, sure pay is not always wonderful but you get room and board and get to travel the world and meet thousands of ppl- great experience!
If your heart is set on it then go!
There are plenty of canadians'americans, etc.. working on board! People from the third worlds are often found in the serving and hospitality departments.

MrMate September 17th, 2006 04:59 PM

First of all - officers are in the deck and engine dept. These are people who have years of training aimed especially for ships. Other department may have people in management or be key personnel, but in my eyes they will NEVER be officers.

Deck and engine officers have the overall responsibility of the ship - whethter it has passengers onboard or not and is not fair to us that anyone can call themselves an office just because they have a management job onboard.

dj_smurf October 3rd, 2006 12:37 AM

MrMate Posted: Sun Sep 17, 2006 1:59 pm Post subject:

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First of all - officers are in the deck and engine dept. These are people who have years of training aimed especially for ships. Other department may have people in management or be key personnel, but in my eyes they will NEVER be officers.

Deck and engine officers have the overall responsibility of the ship - whethter it has passengers onboard or not and is not fair to us that anyone can call themselves an office just because they have a management job onboard.


Im not really sure how u can say that, and i really hop u get a chance to read this. granted i dont know what u do on a ship but ya those guys keep the ship going from point a to point b, so take all you other officers off the ship that are not related to deck and engine dept. and lets see how well that trip goes with 3,600+ guest abord the ship. Think before you write things im sure u dont interact with many guest or it would be very easy 4 you to see the point of my message.

MrMate October 7th, 2006 06:02 AM

I didn't say hotel crew are not important onboard, they are very important but its a difference between management and officers.

girlatsea November 26th, 2006 01:59 AM

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MrMate November 26th, 2006 02:16 AM

If pursers want to be officers they should start acting like ones and not sneak away every time the matter of safety training and issues comes up!

girlatsea November 26th, 2006 01:05 PM

.lll

MrMate November 26th, 2006 01:13 PM

I have been safety officer for three years and I just remember correcting pursers chatting away at their muster stations.

If you're an officer, where did you take your IMO 80 advanced safety training, where did you take your advanced medical training and how often are you supposed to launch the lifeboats according to SOLAS?

Don't get me wrong:
-I think pursers and other hotel management is very important and mostly nice people.

- I think they should have the same privileges as officers

- But using the correct meaning of a title they are not officers pr definition.

girlatsea November 26th, 2006 01:48 PM

Yeah yeah

MrMate November 27th, 2006 10:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by girlatsea
Yeah yeah as all of the deck officers, you think you are better than the others, so typical.
I read that you worked for NCL maybe there is different, so go ahead and fight with the dictionaries start by Oxford because its definitian of a purser is exactly as it is on CCL.
And good choise of leaving the cruise ships as without guests there are no cruise and guess who take cares of them!!! :roll:
I have more things to do than chat argue with a person like you.....
Adios :D

Aaahh youre just a purser... You have plenty of time :wink:

Arion November 29th, 2006 12:56 PM

Out of curiosidy MrMate do you consider the person in charge of Computer/Information Systems to be an Officer?

On one hand, they have overall responsability for every computer on the ship - whether it has passengers onboard or not.

On the other hand, they could have had all their experience and training in/for land-based jobs, with little or no more ship-specific training than pursers.

MrMate December 2nd, 2006 06:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arion
Out of curiosidy MrMate do you consider the person in charge of Computer/Information Systems to be an Officer?

On one hand, they have overall responsability for every computer on the ship - whether it has passengers onboard or not.

On the other hand, they could have had all their experience and training in/for land-based jobs, with little or no more ship-specific training than pursers.

As I said earlier. The only real officers on a ship are deck and engine officers. But a systems manager should have officer status as he is in a management position.

Arion December 2nd, 2006 10:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrMate
As I said earlier. The only real officers on a ship are deck and engine officers. But a systems manager should have officer status as he is in a management position.

Interesting.

I'd have thought that they'd be "Real Officers", on the basis that they maintain the ships computer systems, including those on the Bridge.

Where as the hotel managers, etc have no input nito ship operations, the IT Administrator still has to maintain bridge systems, etc.

girlatsea December 2nd, 2006 02:25 PM

Hi Arion,
I agree with but as "our friend" Mr. Mate is damm stubborn and thinks the only real officer are just himself and the captain, so I got tired and stopped arguing, let he be happy and live in his own world hahah :-P

Shipmate222 December 2nd, 2006 05:00 PM

I am sorry,but I will have to make one more comment to that.Please someone,pick up the oxford english dictionary and look up the word officer. It clearly states the meaning as a holder of an office. There are different types of officers. They can be found in different aspects of our daily lives.Have you ever heard of Police officer or environmental officer (not the ones on ships) or Chief Medical Officer. Check below just to name a few.

Military

Officer (armed forces)

Chief Petty Officer
Commanding officer
Company officer
Direct Commission Officer
Engineer Officer
Exchange officer
Executive officer
Field officer
Flag Officer
Flying Officer
Limited Duty Officer

Corporate

Chief Data Officer
Chief executive officer
Chief Financial Officer
Chief Information Officer
Chief Legal Officer and or chief learning officer
Chief Knowledge Officer
Chief Marketing Officer
Chief Networking Officer
Chief operating officer
chief technology officer
Chief Process Officer
Chief Risk Officer
Chief technical officer
Executive officer

Law enforcement

Customs officer · Peace officer · Police officer · Prison officer · Probation officer · Parole officer

Politics and government

Chief medical officer · Political commissar · Presiding Officer · Returning Officer

So just to conclud,Yes everyone who holds or mands an office onboard is actually an officer per term (even the Pursers). So we can say onboard you have the Deck officers,Engine officers and Hotel officers. Agree?

I did not create the word,Oxford did.

Happy sailing all

Joe.

Shipmate222 December 2nd, 2006 05:06 PM

Correction. I meant I did not DEFINE the word Oxford did.

Happy Sailing

Joe.

girlatsea December 2nd, 2006 05:34 PM

Thank you
Gracias
Merci
Obrigada
Grazie
LOL LOL LOL

MrMate December 2nd, 2006 05:52 PM

Of all the ships I have been on the bridge systems such as radars, gps, radios etc have been maintained by elctricians, who are engine officers, or service people from shoreside representing that certain brand of equipment if the problems are more serious.


When it comes to the definition of officers in the military I have no knowledge about that, only who is officers and not onboard a ship.

To giratsea's disappointment this is not a big deal to me, I just think it's interesting to see the reactions of my point of view. I'm repeating what I've said earlier, but not seem to go through: Even If the mentioned crew is not "real officers in the right term, they are certainly having enough responsibility to deserve officer status and privileges. But being an officer at sea is something you become after a specific education and a specific set of safety and medical courses and most of all after years at sea.

girlatsea December 2nd, 2006 07:09 PM

disapointment????
well I don't really care what you think so whatever....

Arion December 3rd, 2006 01:27 PM

Were you two ( girlatsea and MrMate ) an romanticly involved with each other at one stage perchance?

MrMate December 3rd, 2006 02:18 PM

:D :D :D :D It depends... Has she been with NCL before? :wink:

girlatsea December 3rd, 2006 10:01 PM

Ohh no :shock:
I've never worked on NCL and would absolutely never go out with a bridge officer I'm not his level I'm just crew
hahahah
LOL

MrMate December 3rd, 2006 10:34 PM

Well, since I'm the man and all, I wouldn't mind dating a pursergirlie. If you're pretty of course :D

And of course all girls, independent of rank, are dying to go out with a handsome norwegian :)

girlatsea December 4th, 2006 02:00 AM

Ohh God so typical...... :shock:
Let me guess you are married and have at least two kids........ohh I knew it like all all all officers italians,croatian,norwegian blablabla
And by the way thank you I appreacited but I'll pass........
Next one in line, please LOL

MrMate December 4th, 2006 08:55 AM

Hmmm.. I think you are having too much experiences with those Carnival Italians. You should treat yourself with some real norwegian quality :D :D

girlatsea December 4th, 2006 12:25 PM

Once again thank you for the offer...... LOL

MrMate December 4th, 2006 06:29 PM

My pleasure :wink:

Arion December 5th, 2006 11:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrMate
My pleasure :wink:

pleasure - great word that. Are you refering to sexual pleasure, or that other kind?


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