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Old June 20th, 2002, 05:02 PM
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I've been on 7 cruises, Carnival, Royal Caribbean, and Noregian CL. In all cases, you saw everything from dress slacks (men and women) to Tuxes and fancy gowns for the evening.

I'm one of those who hates dresses but wears one (with nylons) for Captains Dinner, normal dress - like you'd wear to work. Dress slacks other nights. I'm one of those that changes into shorts after dinner. I posted and am waiting to hear if you can wear nice dressy shorts (kind of flared) and a nice top. I want to be comforable on MY vacation.

In my opinion, long as you look nice and respectable, who cares what others think. You should be comfortable. Its YOUR vacation and YOUR hard earned, saved money.
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Lori,

Hate to disagree, but the dress for dinner is the dress for the evening ... so I say formal all night.

The only thing I allow myself is to lose my suit jacket after dinner if it's just too darn warm, but I think by sticking to the recommended dress you add to *everyone's* vacation by maintaining a certain ambience all night.

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I, too, have changed into shorts sometimes after the formal dinner - usually stay in full dress though. Sometimes I just need to be extremely comfortable as I am losing my money in the casino. :-)

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Well, I have tried playing in the casino on formal nights all dressed up and also having changed back into my shorts. I can tell for sure two things: 1) the staff in the casino treated me the same (very nice) and the craps table treated me the same (very mean).

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Like I said gang, my opinion - to each their own!
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Hee-hee, Barry...good one!
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Barry,

The only way to make money in the casino is to invest in the stock of the cruise line, or its parent company.

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lorilynn,

"In my opinion, long as you look nice and respectable, who cares what others think. You should be comfortable. Its YOUR vacation and YOUR hard earned, saved money."

Rights are always a two-way street, in that obligations come with them.

>> 1. You have a right to choose the sort of vacation package that you desire -- and well you should since you are paying for it.

>> 2. You have an obligation to respect the choices that others have made by honoring the policies established by the company.

The key here is to make appropriate choices when you BOOK your vacation It's really quite simple.

>> 1. If you do not want to dress for formal night, do not book a cruise on a line that has formal nights.

>> 2. If you discover, after booking, that you have inadvertently booked a cruise on a line that has formal evenings, either cancel the booking, absorbing whatever penalty might apply, or abide by the published policy and choose your next vacation more carefully.

This respects everybody's rights -- your right to choose the type of cruise that you want and the right of others to choose the type of cruise that they want.

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You know what Norm, I've seen this issue discussed dozens of times on this board and I just decided that I am giving you the gold medal for stating the issue better than I have ever seen it stated. Well said.
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Yes, Norm...very well said - Bravo!
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Norm ...

Well said.

I'll follow Bill in awarding you a Gold Medal.

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Bill & Company,

Thank you all for your kind words!

Actually, I had donned my flame suit after posting in anticipation of a rather different reaction....

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Sometimes the disagreements among cruisers is a matter of opinion. Some people feel the dress code applies to the entire evening, while the cruise brochure only specifies the dress code for the dining room. (this policy could vary among lines) And one person's idea of what meets the dress code may not be the same as anothers. Cruiselines rarely specify what meets the definition of "formal", "semi-formal", "smart casual". For men I think it's more clearly defined than for women. I wear just a cocktail dress on formal nights. I've tried on gowns and I look ridiculous. And I've read other posts where people didn't feel cocktail dresses meet the dress code. Then again, it could depend on the dress. Some fabrics look dressier than others.
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I've always just worn a regular, nice dress. I think as you look nice, it shouldn't matter if its a cocktail dress or gown. I'm not going out to buy an expensive dress like that for 1 night, never to be worn again.
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Norm said it best, but I too, have a flame suit so here is my two cents.

If you happen to book a cruise that has a formal night, and you do not wish to dress "formal" for comfort issues, another option could be trying the alternative dining choices or ordering room service that night.
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The important thing for Norm to remember is that flame suits are not appropriate attire on formal nights.

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Marnie,

"Sometimes the disagreements among cruisers is a matter of opinion. Some people feel the dress code applies to the entire evening, while the cruise brochure only specifies the dress code for the dining room. (this policy could vary among lines)"

When the ship publishes a statement like

>> "This evening's dress applies throughout the whole ship, from 5:30 PM onward."

in the daily bulletin on formal night, is there any ambiguity as to what's intended? Yet I have seen a few social misfits turn up at the show in shorts, t-shirts, and sneakers in spite of such notices -- this on a cruise line that provides complementary formalwear for passengers whose luggage is missing!

"Cruiselines rarely specify what meets the definition of 'formal', 'semi-formal', 'smart casual'."

On every cruise that I have ever taken, the dress code has been clearly stipulated several times. It usually appears (1) in the information package provided to all passengers prior to the cruise, (2) in the information book provided in each cabin, and (3) in the on-board schedule for the first day. There's no excuse for passengers not reading at least the first and the third of these.

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tiffany,

"If you happen to book a cruise that has a formal night, and you do not wish to dress "formal" for comfort issues, another option could be trying the alternative dining choices or ordering room service that night."

The viability of your suggestion depends upon the cruise line, the ship, and the alternative dining options. On many ships, alternative dining options -- particularly "sucker" restaurants with surcharges -- require the same attire as the dining room. Casual attire may be permissible in the buffet area if it serves an evening meal. Of course, there's always room service....

The other "gotcha" is that, on many ships, the dress code applies "throughout the ship for the entire evening" -- which means that it applies to the shows and other entertainment and even to the casino, too. If you don't dress appropriately, your entertainment options may be very limited. Of course, there's always a movie on stateroom television....

But, seriously, I don't go on cruises to hang out in my cabin. Besides, formal nights really are fun!

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Pamda,

*ROF*

I guess you haven't seen my asbestos tuxedo....

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I don't know Norm, my husband told me if we could ever afford one of those Penthouse suites, I might have a really difficult time getting him to leave the room!!!
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Thanks for the info Norm, I've never received such detailed documents. The websites and brochures don't include any of these statements. In fact Celebrity's website states that the formal attire applies to dinner and the Captain's cocktail party and that there is alternative casual dining available. The fact that they don't inform passengers until they've already booked is a problem. I don't expect anyone to go shopping 2 weeks prior to their trip to buy clothing because they just found out from their cruise documents that they have to either dress up or don't leave their cabins. That's unreasonable.
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Tiffany,

"I don't know Norm, my husband told me if we could ever afford one of those Penthouse suites, I might have a really difficult time getting him to leave the room!!!"

Don't worry. He probably will become quite bored just hanging out in the suite after the first day or two Once boredom sets in, he'll venture out in search of a cure.

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Marnie,

"Thanks for the info Norm, I've never received such detailed documents. The websites and brochures don't include any of these statements. In fact Celebrity's website states that the formal attire applies to dinner and the Captain's cocktail party and that there is alternative casual dining available. The fact that they don't inform passengers until they've already booked is a problem. I don't expect anyone to go shopping 2 weeks prior to their trip to buy clothing because they just found out from their cruise documents that they have to either dress up or don't leave their cabins. That's unreasonable."

There are other sources of information available.

>> Most guide books on cruising summarize standards of dress on each line.

>> Travel agents should be able to provide guidance, although unfortunately some have been sources of considerable misinformation.

>> There are also web sites, such as this one.

Also, I know that some cruise lines are doing a better job than in the past of getting information to passengers. For example, Princess sends out information packages right after the due date for final payments, or about two months before the cruise, so there's plenty of time to go shopping if need be. Princess's information packages also include schedules of flights arranged by the cruise line, and passengers can elect Princess's custom air option after receiving the information package if they are dissatisfied with their default arrangements. I would be very surprised if Celebrity Cruises and Royal Caribbean International have not adopted a similar policy, even if only for competitive reasons.

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Wow, look what I started? You are all taking this very seriously.

I just posted my thoughts because of what I read, most people think you HAVE to wear a gown or cocktail dress. I was just letting first time cruisers know that they don't HAVE to wear something that dressy if they don't want to. I've always worn a regular dress and have felt I fit in just fine.

Have fun with this everyone! Wow, this is really something!
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lorilynn,

"I just posted my thoughts because of what I read, most people think you HAVE to wear a gown or cocktail dress. I was just letting first time cruisers know that they don't HAVE to wear something that dressy if they don't want to. I've always worn a regular dress and have felt I fit in just fine."

Dress standards and enforcement thereof do vary considerably from one cruise line to another, so "letting first time cruisers know that they don't HAVE to wear something that dressy..." does not strike me as the most appropriate or accurate message. Rather, let's tell first timers that there's considerable variety out there, so one should do one's homework before booking to find a line that matches one's preferred style. Those who don't want to "dress to the nines" on formal nights will enjoy their cruise much more if they book on a line where that degree of dress is neither expected nor normative.

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Hi! I just read every message...and the prize goes to Norm....for his "sucker restaurant"!!!
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Sorry to everyone for stating my "opinion only". I will no longer state my opinion on any issues. I'm just stating from experience I've had on my 8 cruises. I know my experience doesn't compare to you seasoned Cruisers. I've been on NCL, RCCL and Carnival and just stating form my experience. I don't have a lot of extra money to buy fancy clothes like all of you. I'm an average person with probably a below average income who has to save for a year or more to take a trip. Sorry to hear that my opinion doesn't count.
Remember it's an opinion and it doesn't have to be taken to such heart. I'd appreciate if you all don't pound on my thoughts anymore. Thank you.
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Lorilynn ...

Your opinion DOES count. That's what this board is all about. We may agree or disagree, but that's just normal conversation.

I don't think you were suggesting that, after dinner, you were going to go back to your cabin and change into work-out shorts, smelly sneakers, and a Harley-Davidson T-shirt with the sleeves cut off.

There are many shorts outfits that are probably more appropriate than dresses that are cut down to there and up to there ... and there is almost completely visible.

So, let's not go "there".

Cruises are NOT the Senior Prom, even though many women dress as though it were.

My cruise wardrobe is almost entirely dressy pants suits because I have the ugliest legs in the free world. (Think toothpicks with varcoise veins.) And I also despise pantyhose as a work of the devil.

As a fairly experienced cruiser, I would NEVER play the role of Fashion Police and look down upon anyone who was dressed nicely in what you call a "nice dress."

I think "the thing" is that there are experienced cruisers who get their tuxedos in a bunch when people DO show up after dinner in the Harley T-shirts. Kinda takes the edge off the evening and, in my opinion (here comes the opinion thing) is disresepctful of others.

I do not get the sense that you would do that.

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Thank you for your input Pamda. You are right, I always try to look nice. I don't think people change into crapy clothes to disrespect. I think they have the attitude of which I pretty much have is that its their vacation, they worked hard to get their and paid alot and they are going to wear what makes them comfortable. I have in the past changed into shorts and a nicer t-shirt if I plan on being outside for the night. I stay in dress clothes if I plan to go to shows, dico, etc. I hate wearing nylons but I will wear dresses that are longer. I chalk it up to the fact that everyone is very very different and people are going to do what they are going to do. If the very dressy people look down on them in anyway, oh well - they shouldn't look at them then. They don't know them and will never see them again after the trip. I know you think its a disrespect thing but with me being "one of those people" I really don't think it is. They just want to be comfortable. I really appreciate you intervening on this issue and I guess I don't have anything else to say. I'm not going to check this area of the website anymore due to feeling as I have been put down by all the others who have wrote. I am who I am. I don't in anyway mean disrespect to anyone who choosed to dress beautifully in the gowns, etc. I think they look great, its just not me.
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Unless you're going to Alaska, forget the nylons. I've seen a few wear nylons in the Caribbean, but I figured they were just nuts.
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