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Old September 22nd, 2006, 06:19 PM
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This is a jeans questions! It's simple. We ALL know about jeans and the dining room, I've been put in my place on that topic, but let just say we decide to skip the dining room one or two nights and just want the buffett or pizza, are jeans OK??? I don't care for myself, but my BF is MUCH more comfy in jeans than anything else and his white legs will blind you, so he doesn't do shorts that much. One other thing, from what I have read, the first night of the cruise, almost anything goes in the dining room, right?? You don't have to dress up for the first night.

I don't want to start another war here (I've had enough of that) but these are simple questions and should not cause a long and out spoken reply. I too had been scared to the point of almost cancelling my cruise because of the negative views about the "jean thing". But, I didn't and I plan on having a good time, regardless of others opinion of me. This site is great and I have had some good answers to some good questions. The jeans and the dining room thing got way of out hand.

The thing is, before anyone post a reply, sit back and read it several times, does it sound like it might offend somebody, is it rude sounding, if so, just reword it so it doesn't sound so snippy. And I will say I am sorry if I said anything to upset anyone. If ya'll knew me, you would know that I hate any kind of confrontation. I usually go out of my way to avoid it. But, something was written here that just hit me wrong because of the way it was said and I reacted. I'm sorry. But be carefull how you say things.

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Fieldmouse, I understand what you are asking for. The problem is it will only start people who already feel it is their place on earth to police things to start flaming people over this subject. We will have the Fashion police, the Etiquette police and then the Thread police. People should go back to exchanging informative ideas, helpful hints and Practical Advice. If we all stopped responding to their baited dialog which gets most of us riled up in defense of ourselves then maybe they would go away! It is our responses that keep their dialog alive. Cruising is meant to be fun, relaxing, educational, etc.... We earn our time off, we pay for our vacation and we all need to remove ourselves from conversation that is
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Old September 22nd, 2006, 08:15 PM
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Hi Fieldmouse,

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Is there a Cruisemate thead guideline we can refer to?

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1. Comments and responses should be short and to the point...
2. No negative comments or observations if there's chance they might offend someone.
3. Feel good observations preferred.

Is there someone like a 'thread police' who screens our postings? If there's guidelines or thead rules stating what we can write or not...I'd like to know. (other than the obvious of course!)

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Yes, there is a CM’s guideline here:

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This "guideline" doesn't cover your questions (the things you mentioned are allowed and you'll see them everywhere! ), but is generally useful.

There are no "thread police", but if anyone goes "over the line", just click the ! at the top of their post and report!
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Fieldmouse,

Is there a Cruisemate thead guideline we can refer to?

Something like:

1. Comments and responses should be short and to the point...
2. No negative comments or observations if there's chance they might offend someone.
3. Feel good observations preferred.

Is there someone like a 'thread police' who screens our postings? If there's guidelines or thead rules stating what we can write or not...I'd like to know. (other than the obvious of course!)


The CruiseMates posting rules generally forbid personal attacks, commercial solicitations, profanity, and pornographic material. The moderators will delete such posts immediately if somebody brngs such posts to their attention. Some moderators also delete posts that they judge to be "off topic" relative to the original thread or otherwise inappropriate even if not strictly in violation of the CruiseMates rules, so don't be surprised if your question, this reply, and all the other replies to it disappear....

That said, posters have to be free to discuss negative experiences and to express disdain for varoius practices, so it clearly would not be appropriate for the site to ban all negative or perjorative comments. The moderators seem to draw the line when such comments are targeting specific individuals. Much to the moderators' credit, they rarely delete posts containing generic perjorative comments or disagreement with anohter poster's comments even though somebody might complain. IOW, it's generally okay to refer in a generic sense to the buffoons who don't follow the rules, but not to call another poster a buffoon.

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Floridanamaw,

This is a jeans questions! It's simple. We ALL know about jeans and the dining room, I've been put in my place on that topic, but let just say we decide to skip the dining room one or two nights and just want the buffett or pizza, are jeans OK???

The answer to that question varies from cruise line to cruise line, so the best advice is to consult your cruise line's pre-cruise information book for its policies. Some cruise lines state quite clearly that "the prescribed evening attire applies throughout the ship after 6:00 PM" (or something similar) each evening. Other cruise lines allow jeans everywhere except the dining room.

One other thing, from what I have read, the first night of the cruise, almost anything goes in the dining room, right??

Well, not really. The prescribed, and thus expected, attire for the first and last evenings is the same as on all other "casual" evenings. Practically, though, some cruise lines may allow more lattitude on embarkation day to accommodate passengers who have not received their luggage in time to change for dinner.

I too had been scared to the point of almost cancelling my cruise because of the negative views about the "jean thing". But, I didn't and I plan on having a good time, regardless of others opinion of me.

No, there's no reason for anybody to have a negative opinon of you. You came on this site and asked legitimate questions about dress during a cruise, and we tried to provide straight answers. We all asked those or similar questions at one time or another. I hope that you realize that we're trying to help you maximize your enjoyment out of your cruise by being able to participate fully in the best parts of of the voyage!

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Old September 23rd, 2006, 02:12 AM
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Fieldmouse, I understand what you are asking for. The problem is it will only start people who already feel it is their place on earth to police things to start flaming people over this subject. We will have the Fashion police, the Etiquette police and then the Thread police. People should go back to exchanging informative ideas, helpful hints and Practical Advice. If we all stopped responding to their baited dialog which gets most of us riled up in defense of ourselves then maybe they would go away! It is our responses that keep their dialog alive. Cruising is meant to be fun, relaxing, educational, etc.... We earn our time off, we pay for our vacation and we all need to remove ourselves from conversation that is
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Old September 23rd, 2006, 09:11 PM
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I've found your responses most helpful...including Norm's....but trying to play the 'Devil's Advocate' here...e.g.

A new cruiser asks a question on dress..."Can I wear shorts in the dining room on formal night?"

An experience cruiser responds, "No, that's not formal wear...you cannot wear shorts".
Another experience cruiser responds, "You CAN wear shorts on formal night...it's your cruise go for it".

Ok...now we have a 'hot topic' going...both posters feel they are being HELPFUL and informative, and they are expressing their sincere opinions.

In their view...they ARE exchanging, 'informative ideas, helpul hints and practical advice'. The only problem....they disagree on the value of the other's interpretation.

As long as there are no DIRECT PERSONAL attacks...we should be able to express our personal opinions. After all, that's what's being ask for on these threads...our PERSONAL opinions, etc. Otherwise, cruisers could go to their local bookstore, liberary, or call the cruiselines directly and ask their questions.

If people are still posting and the thread is still being 'hit' (read)...then evidently some readers are still finding the theme interesting, helpful and fun.

When readers don't want to be involved in a thread ....they just won't read or respond anymore and eventually the thread will die a natural death. That's nature's way...
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I am glad you asked the question about what to wear on the first night. The answser to this question helps me decide what to wear on my travels to the ship.....as I was assuming (first cruise) that I will be in this outfit all day.
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Just a quick note, I have e-mailed my PVP at Carnival and asked him these questions about the first night attire and the jeans at the buffett and pizza place, so as soon as I hear from him I will pass along whatever he says.
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My Carnival PVP says "if it's not the main dining room, you could technically wear your bathing suit." Ladies, you will not be turned away from formal night for wearing nice pants and a nice top. Also for men, dark suits are fine. This is CARNIVAL, so rules may differ from ship to ship. You do not have to go out a spend a lot of money on something that will be worn once. I plan on the the simplest of dressy clothes for formal. I have much better things to do with my money than spend lots of it on formal wear. He did not answer my question about first night attire in dining room. But, you can find that out once on board.

I suggest that if you have a question and are getting conflicting answers here, contact your cruise line or PVP, they can answer any questions that you have.

Don't let all this formal talk turn your cruise into one big headache over what to wear. Simple is just as good as flashy if not better.

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I've found your responses most helpful...including Norm's....but trying to play the 'Devil's Advocate' here...e.g.

A new cruiser asks a question on dress..."Can I wear shorts in the dining room on formal night?"

An experience cruiser responds, "No, that's not formal wear...you cannot wear shorts".
Another experience cruiser responds, "You CAN wear shorts on formal night...it's your cruise go for it".

Ok...now we have a 'hot topic' going...both posters feel they are being HELPFUL and informative, and they are expressing their sincere opinions.

In their view...they ARE exchanging, 'informative ideas, helpul hints and practical advice'. The only problem....they disagree on the value of the other's interpretation.

As long as there are no DIRECT PERSONAL attacks...we should be able to express our personal opinions. After all, that's what's being ask for on these threads...our PERSONAL opinions, etc. Otherwise, cruisers could go to their local bookstore, liberary, or call the cruiselines directly and ask their questions.

If people are still posting and the thread is still being 'hit' (read)...then evidently some readers are still finding the theme interesting, helpful and fun.

When readers don't want to be involved in a thread ....they just won't read or respond anymore and eventually the thread will die a natural death. That's nature's way...
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Recently back from my first cruise. It was on Royal Carribean. Without giving my personal opinion on what is appropriate, I will tell you what I observed in the dining room on every night (except formal night) and the Windjammer at breakfast. In the dining room I observed jeans on some women and shorts on some men. Most men wore slacks and most women wore dressy pants/skirts/simple sundresses. A few wore very dressy attire. In the Windjammer, I saw bathing suites covered by shorts and tank tops, sweat pant suits, jeans and shorts. From what I observed of people walking around the ship and the pictures posted at the photo shop, the people who attended formal night were all very dressy...a lot of black silk and sequins. We went to Portofino's on formal night. People there were dressed up, but not "formal". I never saw anyone turned away from any restaurant. To be honest, the only reason I observed as much as I did was because I had read so much about the topic on these boards. If I had never found this message board, I would have been a little less dressy, but still within the acceptable range and I would have come away no remembering what most people wore.
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My thoughts exactly. If a person is comfortable in jeans on Non-Formal night, and they look presentable, then so be it. I'm not going to let it bother me any. I'm there to have fun and enjoy. Personally, I can't stand jeans in the summer months, and usually don't go back to wearing them until October. So, I'll be happy to stay in shorts, except for dinner time, when I can dress up for formal nights and be casual buy dressy on non-formal nights. My husband loves jeans, and will probably wear them to dinner at least once.

But either way, no biggee, it won't bother me none.

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My Carnival PVP says "if it's not the main dining room, you could technically wear your bathing suit." Ladies, you will not be turned away from formal night for wearing nice pants and a nice top. Also for men, dark suits are fine. This is CARNIVAL, so rules may differ from ship to ship. You do not have to go out a spend a lot of money on something that will be worn once. I plan on the the simplest of dressy clothes for formal. I have much better things to do with my money than spend lots of it on formal wear. He did not answer my question about first night attire in dining room. But, you can find that out once on board.

I suggest that if you have a question and are getting conflicting answers here, contact your cruise line or PVP, they can answer any questions that you have.

Don't let all this formal talk turn your cruise into one big headache over what to wear. Simple is just as good as flashy if not better.

Happy cruising to all.
From what I read at Carnivals site, your first nite is a casual night, because you are just getting on board and some may not have all their luggage yet. Usually the formal nights are the 2nd and another one later in the week, usually at sea, I would think, so you don't have to rush back from port to dress up for dinner. This is just what I've read at the different chat boards and Carnivals FAQ's.

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Just FYI, on a Carnival 7 day cruise, the second formal night is the second to last night of the cruise, regardless of port day or not. That part depends purely on how many ports they go to.
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I find it interesting HAL no longer expressly forbids jeans in the dining room on casual nights.
Their docs say no shorts, T-shirts, etc. but does not mention jeans.

That being said, I have no intention of packing jeans because I don't consider them *fun* things to wear in the Caribbean.
I like lightweight cotton/linen clothes in bright colors on my cruises!
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