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daisy1188 June 24th, 2006 12:38 PM

military-dressing up
 
Do many military men wear their class A's on formal evenings? My husband is active duty army, but doesn't want to wear his class A's because he thinks he will look out of place. We leave July 1st on the Carnival Glory. He's not one for dressing up anyway, but I think his class A's would be fine and I would be proud to be by his side.

mehawk June 24th, 2006 01:04 PM

His Class A is considered to be formal so, yes, he should wear it and be proud! :D

Rev22:17 June 24th, 2006 05:20 PM

daisy1188,

Do many military men wear their class A's on formal evenings? My husband is active duty army, but doesn't want to wear his class A's because he thinks he will look out of place. We leave July 1st on the Carnival Glory. He's not one for dressing up anyway, but I think his class A's would be fine and I would be proud to be by his side.

This question keeps recurring, so I might as well address it completely.

1. The uniform regulations of all services say that members should wear the uniform that is equivalent to the requested attire for civilians when attending social functions. The respective services' uniform regulations also prescribe acceptable substitutes for members who are not required to posess certain optional uniforms.

2. Formal evenings on cruise ships are 'black tie" social functions, so the equivalent uniform is the "dinner dress jacket," "evening dress," or "mess dress" (black tie) uniform that corresponds to the season or climate (ordinarily the summer uniform since most cruises are either in the summertime or in the tropics). In most uniformed services, the regulations require only officers of pay grade O-4 (rank of Lieutenant Commander or Major) and above and members in certain diplomatic assignments (White House, embassies, etc.) to posess these uniforms. Other personnel may wear the prescribed substitutes.

3. In most services, the "Class A" uniform is a ceremonial uniform. It is not the proper uniform to wear for formal evenings unless it's prescribed as the authorized substitute for the "mess dress" uniform and the member is not required to posess the "mess dress" uniform.

The current uniform regulations of the respective services prescribe the following uniforms and substitutes. The Air Force regulations seem less clear than those of other services as to when various uniforms are worn, so I'm taking an educated guess as to the prescribed substitute.

>> U. S. Army: White Mess; substitutes (in order of precedence): Army White with Bow Tie, Army Blue with Bow Tie, Army Green with Bow Tie (enlisted only)

>> U. S. Navy and U. S. Coast Guard: Dinner Dress White Jacket; substitute: Dinner Dress White

>> U. S. Marine Corps: Officers -- Evening Dress B; substitute: Blue-White Dress A; Staff NCO's -- Evening Dress; NCO and below: Blue Dress A

>> U. S. Air Force: Mess Dress; apparent substitute: Semiformal Dress with Bow Tie

Have a great cruise!

Norm.

gb52877 June 25th, 2006 11:07 AM

I found the majority of men do not were tux on formal nights so I would not classify a formal night as black tie. You do see men in tux but the majority of men are in suits. I am not familiar with the military uniforms but do whatever you think. Go and have a great time and do not worry about what others think. A lot of people change after dinner anyway so you only wear the attire for a few hours at dinner.

Rev22:17 June 25th, 2006 09:49 PM

gb52877,

I found the majority of men do not were tux on formal nights so I would not classify a formal night as black tie. You do see men in tux but the majority of men are in suits.

Historically, formal evenings aboard ship were strict "black tie" events. In the 1970's, the "mass market" cruise lines started allowing dark business suits as a substitute, in the same manner that military and naval uniform regulations provide substitute uniforms for personnel who do not own the "black tie" uniforms, because many gentlemen did not own dinner jackets or tuxedos, but the ship's officers continue to wear "black tie" uniforms. Formal still means "black tie" according to social etiquette.

Norm.

BetWes June 26th, 2006 06:13 AM

Husband should wear his military uniform with pride. I'd be happy to see him.

LisaK June 26th, 2006 11:32 AM

Yes

Will June 26th, 2006 06:13 PM

ABSOLUTELY YES!!!! AND WE thank!! him for serving his country


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