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tbowman December 29th, 2008 02:12 AM

Army Officer Dress Mess Uniform
 
My friend who is a LTC in the Army will be going on a cruise with me this next year. He has the Army Dinner Jacket/Officer Dress Mess and wants to wear it on the formal night. It rivals the Tux and is very nice looking and (he looks great in it - I might add). Is this acceptable? We will be sailing out of Tampa, and I figure that most everyone on board will be American and used to seeing soldiers in uniform, but I dont want to cause a "stir".

Here are a couple of photos that I was able to find. I could not find his exact one. It will be sorta like these, only with the Field Artillery colors (red) on the lapel.

http://i424.photobucket.com/albums/p...icerjacket.jpg

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matey December 29th, 2008 03:09 AM

It is a handsome uniform, but I bet there will be lots of passengers who think he is the captain of the ship!

Donna December 29th, 2008 09:52 AM

By all means, have your friend pack the uniform and do wear it for formal night with honor!

CA Cruiser December 29th, 2008 10:04 AM

Our sons always wear their Marine Dress Blues proudly!

kookylabooka December 29th, 2008 07:14 PM

Most definitely yes !!!!! THe only "stir" he would cause is a good one.

Kamloops Cruiser December 29th, 2008 07:26 PM

On our Jan 08 cruise on Mariner , we had a number of military and police officers on board . They wore their fancy uniforms.
One was an RCMP officer from Canada who wore his Red Serge Uniform.
One officer wore a fancy uniform every night of the cruise.

DougR. December 30th, 2008 07:39 AM

Perfectly acceptable! I am a retired Air Force Master Sergeant and would proudly wear mine on formal night, except that my mess dress was several sizes ago :oops: .

LisaK December 31st, 2008 10:06 AM

i totally agree with the others.

tbowman January 2nd, 2009 11:10 PM

Thank you all so much for your input. I have sent him (he is in Iraq right now and will be back in a few months) the link to this site.

I cant wait to see him all dressed up in those blues again.

Rev22:17 January 8th, 2009 08:40 PM

Re: Army Officer Dress Mess Uniform
 
tbowman,

Quote:

Originally Posted by You
My friend who is a LTC in the Army will be going on a cruise with me this next year. He has the Army Dinner Jacket/Officer Dress Mess and wants to wear it on the formal night. It rivals the Tux and is very nice looking and (he looks great in it - I might add). Is this acceptable? We will be sailing out of Tampa, and I figure that most everyone on board will be American and used to seeing soldiers in uniform, but I dont want to cause a "stir".

Since your friend is on active duty and thus entitled to wear his uniform, it is most certainly appropriate that he should do so.

And the so-called "mess dress" uniform is the uniform that corresponds to a civilian dinner jacket ("black tie") outfit or tuxedo, and thus is the proper uniform to wear for the "formal" evenings.

Norm.

Rev22:17 January 8th, 2009 08:55 PM

CA Cruiser,

Quote:

Originally Posted by You
Our sons always wear their Marine Dress Blues proudly!

Ah, just to be clear, the proper Marine uniform to wear on a "formal" evening is the "Evening Dress B" or "SNCO Evening Dress" uniform.

Those who are not required to own the the respective "Evening Dress" uniform may wear the "Blue Dress A" or, for officers, "White Dress A" uniform instead.

Norm.

BionicToad September 7th, 2012 03:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rev22:17 (Post 1179356)
tbowman,

Since your friend is on active duty and thus entitled to wear his uniform, it is most certainly appropriate that he should do so.

I wonder if that applies to retirees as well?

Manuel September 7th, 2012 08:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BionicToad (Post 1445437)
I wonder if that applies to retirees as well?

Yes it does. A person who served in the military and who was honorably dis-charge can allways put on his or her uniform.

TM

Kamloops Cruiser September 8th, 2012 01:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tbowman (Post 1175585)
My friend who is a LTC in the Army will be going on a cruise with me this next year. He has the Army Dinner Jacket/Officer Dress Mess and wants to wear it on the formal night. It rivals the Tux and is very nice looking and (he looks great in it - I might add). Is this acceptable? We will be sailing out of Tampa, and I figure that most everyone on board will be American and used to seeing soldiers in uniform, but I dont want to cause a "stir".

Here are a couple of photos that I was able to find. I could not find his exact one. It will be sorta like these, only with the Field Artillery colors (red) on the lapel.

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On one cruise we had a group officers from the Canadian RCMP.
They wore there Red Serge dinner outfits (not the uniform you see in pictures ) on formal night. That really made the formal night stand out.

bonnyprincecharlie September 8th, 2012 05:07 PM

Make sure your boyfriend salutes any active or retired officers who will be flaunting their rank and medals.
If he's artillery, make sure he wears his red suspenders, the queen of battle dress. The officers will check this out.
Make sure he doesn't wear his uniform or fatigues onto those islands that prohibit wearing military uniforms. He might wind up in jail or in trouble with the US military like Harry did.

Nomadic life July 24th, 2013 10:53 PM

Please don't. Uniform is triggering for many veterans with PTSD
 
I personally do not recommend it. I am a military sexual trauma survivor and whenever I see someone in uniform--especially an officer I find it very triggering and my depression as a result can last for day.


I know that the uniform is a trigger for most with MST and with 26,000+ rapes in the military each year there is more likely than not a MST survivor--or a friend or family of a survivor on that cruise ship.

I'm sure your friend is a wonderful person and this and that. But to support the thousands of honorable veterans who are suffering from their time in service I think it's best to not wear your uniform. Everyone deserves to have a good time and not be triggered.

ratfinksnitch July 26th, 2013 08:10 AM

Sensitivity should be given to those with MST
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Nomadic life (Post 1480242)
I personally do not recommend it. I am a military sexual trauma survivor and whenever I see someone in uniform--especially an officer I find it very triggering and my depression as a result can last for day.


I know that the uniform is a trigger for most with MST and with 26,000+ rapes in the military each year there is more likely than not a MST survivor--or a friend or family of a survivor on that cruise ship.

I'm sure your friend is a wonderful person and this and that. But to support the thousands of honorable veterans who are suffering from their time in service I think it's best to not wear your uniform. Everyone deserves to have a good time and not be triggered.

There is a lot of feeling that can be elicited by the sight of a uniform.
The triggering for persons with MST by the unform must be considered.

Kamloops Cruiser July 26th, 2013 11:14 AM

Why would a military uniform be any different from the Ship' s Officers formal uniform. Yes I feel for the men and women who have served and have MTD or PTSD . They shouldn't force those who are active or retired members from wearing their formal uniforms .

Manuel July 26th, 2013 05:30 PM

Anyone can be offended or hurt by any particular issue.

Those of us who served in the military and did our job honorably have a right to wear a uniform and we are not responsible for those who did the wrong thing and commited a crime.

TM

storybookcruises.com July 26th, 2013 11:32 PM

I agree with Manuel. Those of us who served have earned the right and if they choose to wear a dress uniform, then that is their right and I'll definitely support them. The uniform should be respected and revered. I personally suffered from PTSD after coming back from Vietnam - we didn't have the support or the assistance that is available now. I belong to several veteran's associations and talk with some of these guys all the time who have or are suffering from PTSD. So while I can relate and fell their pain, I personally do not know any of them who would complain about a fellow veteran wearing their dress uniform or begrudge them the opportunity to do so. There may be a few who fell otherwise, but the majority are overwhelmingly proud of their service and honored to have served, and will show that pride anywhere and anytime they can.

When I see someone in uniform, dress uniform or not, I will always give them the respect, admiration, and dignity they deserve. And quite frankly, if it upsets someone seeing a serviceman or servicewoman in a United States military, police, or fire uniform, then I really don't give a damn!

Pete

Manuel July 26th, 2013 11:54 PM

Pete, I salute you for your service.

I also suffered from PTSD after my Vietnam experience. What helped me out was going back to my roots.
I went back to the little town where I was born in Portugal. I lived there for a year and after that I came back and was able to settle down and get married, raise three kids and eventually retire and move to Florida.

After the bumps life has been good. I like to see service Men or Women in their uniforms and if it hurts anyone, they just have to work out their problems just like we did.

TM

storybookcruises.com July 27th, 2013 06:40 PM

Thanks, Manuel! And thank you for your service, brother.

Glad you were able to go back to your roots and work through your problems. It's just too bad we didn't have any support whatsoever when we came back. But then again, due to our problems, the guys/girls coming back now don't have to face those problems alone, like we did.

Mine got so bad I was considering suicide. That was about as close to going insane as I ever want to get. I ended up seeing a psychiatrist for a while, but even he didn't have any experience treating PTSD. Plus, I lost my job and couldn't pay for those expensive sessions. The VA was totally worthless and helpless on the matter. Smoking alot of pot helped to scare away the demons, but only temporarily. Eventually, with the help of my loving wife, I used some of my GI benefits to learn how to drive tractors trailers and spent a few years driving around the country. I would spend long hours by myself just driving from one pickup/delivery to the next. It really help me to clear my head and 'find myself', so the speak. Met alot of veterans along the way and we'd share stories, which also helped alot.

Always felt like I was alone in dealing with it - no help whatsoever. And what made it really bad was the way we were treated when we came home. Everyone wanted to condemn us or ignore us adding to the feeling of isolation. Don't know about you, but because of the way I was treated, I started to feel ashamed of what I had done. Took a while to get over that feeling! But then as my stepfather, who served in Korea in the Air Force, told me, 'Everyone in your family is very proud of you and that's all that matters.' My father served in the Army in WWII in Guam and was awarded the bronze star and purple heart. He died when I was 11, so my stepfather also pointed out how proud my father would have been of me, as well as my grandfather, who served in WWI, and my great-grandfather, who served in the Civil War. After that, I began to feel much better about myself and began to take a great pride in my service. Now, I always proudly wear my Vietnam Veteran hat all the time wherever I go.

Luckily, it all worked out in the end, but it was a long hard process. I am now a member of the Patriot Guard motorcycle group and try to ride my bike whenever I can in support of veterans including Rolling Thunder every year.

To top it off, our daughter is proudly carrying on the tradition and is the 5th generation to serve in the U.S. military, which further adds to our pride.

Needless to say, you can understand why I feel so strong about wearing a uniform.

Now I'm retired, have raised three children, have two grandchildren, and hopefully will very soon move to Florida! Perhaps one day, Manuel, we'll just have to get together and toast a few.

Pete

Dave Beers July 27th, 2013 07:11 PM

Sorry, but I am not going to take a poll of the passengers to see who suffers from what issues before choosing my evening attire. What if the person who assaulted someone was wearing a tuxedo at the time of the crime? Or perhaps they were wearing a bathing suit?

If I decide some time to wear my Marine dress blues, or my Navy dress uniform (double service veteran) on a cruise, I am going to do it. I know many who had or have PTSD and other issues from Vietnam and more current wars. They would never tell someone to not wear their uniform.

Manuel July 27th, 2013 09:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cruise planner (Post 1480544)

Now I'm retired, have raised three children, have two grandchildren, and hopefully will very soon move to Florida! Perhaps one day, Manuel, we'll just have to get together and toast a few.

Pete

I would like that. It would be a pleasure to meet you and chat about our experiences.

TM

Sulross August 15th, 2013 11:25 PM

Military Uniform
 
If you are still on active duty and want to wear your uniform, go for it. Regardless of what others might feel. You earn the right to wear it when you feel appropriate and want to. I served 40 some years ago and my first day I was discharged I never saw it again. But, that was a different time. Be proud to wear it and don't worry if others.

Alan brad August 29th, 2013 08:09 AM

Hi..Why does the Army still have the White-colored Blunder Uniform??thanks..

plantcrone October 15th, 2013 04:20 AM

Dave-I totally agree with you..I've had very bad experiences with police officers when I was younger and protesting war in VietNsm but I'd never say **MY** issues should cause an officer from wearing his formal uniform to an appropriate occasion..thats MY problem, not theirs.

While I can have empathy with those who have negative feelings,I don't think it's up to me to tell someone who has served his country (or city or state) as a worker to protect the citizens should be impacted by a past went. I got over it..I suggest others consider doing the same.

Plantcrone-Senior citizen and anti=war protester in the 1960s and 1980s, 1990s and 2000s.

Bruce Chafkin1 October 20th, 2013 08:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by matey (Post 1175599)
It is a handsome uniform, but I bet there will be lots of passengers who think he is the captain of the ship!

Not so many think he is Captain, but many will think he is the dining room manager or head bartender - and they will expect him to escort them to their dining table or get them a drink.


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