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Old March 28th, 2004, 05:10 PM
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The whole concept of entertainment needs revision IMHO. The most irritating mistake cruise lines make is the loud music played poolside and in lounges all day long. The music is too often of the "party-Caribbean of urban R&B type. Would it be too much to have something soft like classy jazz or maybee NO MUSIC played poolside! We once tried to enjoy sailing into a stunning sunset in a Viking Crown Lounge with blaring rap! Very inappropriate to the situation. Mentioning this to the CR fell on deaf ears. He didn't see the problem.

Cruise directors on social staff should once again be recruited for social skills and finnese. These days, CR"s seem nothing more than MC"s to "remind" us of all the revenue outlets on-board. Social staff "conduct" activities with their cheerleader rah-rahish style. These young people seem to have difficulty relating to anyone over 30. I remember when not too long ago when staff were true hosts.

And one last thought: Art auctions are nothing more than a thinly veiled gimmick, not a true "activity", and should be made illegal....!
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Old March 29th, 2004, 09:58 AM
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Okay..y ou just found out my "dirty secret".. we love art auctions on cruise ships..lol. first of all they are a great learning experience and a great diversion for those of us who don't gamble and at least I can look at a souvenier of our cruise.It's true..we are addicted...we have seriographs, prints up and down our hall, in the bedroom, in the bathroom and a few still waiting to be framed. Before Park West took over the "auctions" pieces were definetely more reasonable. Recently we went to an art sale on land and I was amazed at our knowledge in purchasing a piece we couldn't resist, granted there was no "premium" or other extra charges. We received a sports memorabilia magazine and there was a baseball cartoon we had seen on the ship and it ws $$ more in the catalog. In all seriousness, the first piece we bought has risen in price incredibly..the artist no longer works in the US, then we started looking for prints with a parrot theme.. Of course the ships make $$, but it's a fun way to spend an afternoon at sea...of course it's more $$ than a t-shirt.
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Old April 27th, 2004, 02:35 PM
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What I did not care for was the hype and pushiness to go buy diamonds!

I did not go on a cruise in order to buy diamonds.

I am not a diamond person.

For all those diamond type personalities out there, you need to take the cruise that we just did!
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Old May 19th, 2004, 11:59 AM
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We absolutely hate art auctions. Anyone know how/when/which cruise line started offering this junk?

If the auctions were totally out of sight, with no art strewn throughout the ship, it wouldn't be quite so bad.
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Old June 3rd, 2004, 08:20 AM
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My wife and I recently sailed on the Miracle out of Baltimore....Park West held their Art Auction. We had never been to an Art Auction and went out of curiosity. We had a fantastic time.

At one of the auctions a Renior went for $350,000. So, we are not talking Black Velvet Elvis paintings on the side of the road. We were able to pick up a couple of nice Thomas Kinkade paintings.

Just for attending the auctions you receive free paintings. So, it was worth it. And "Stony" the auctioneer was informatative as well as funny. Laugh at his jokes and you will receive raffle tickets.....Just a hint for you future travelers.
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Old June 21st, 2004, 06:55 PM
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What kind of "art" is at these auctions? We are going on a ten day Princess cruise. I hope it doesn't have rap music of any sort at any place on board...
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Old July 22nd, 2004, 06:47 PM
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I kind of agree with the "art auction" complaint, however we have attended a time or two just for the laughs, and entertainment value. Unfortunately, we "won" one of the art items, but had to pay for shipping and handling. I think the cost of the s and h was probably more than the art was worth, but as someone else stated, it beats a t-shirt.
As far as the loud loud music around the pool goes, that's exactly why we like the big Princess ships (Grand, Golden, and Caribbean). We enjoy the ALL ADULT pool area on the stern of the ship where there is almost never any problem getting a lounge, and there is very nice music coming from the speakers. (Also very close to the buffet!!!)
My wife & I sailed on one of the Carnival ships a few years ago, and the very first thing we noticed was very, very loud X-rated rap music being played by one of the bartenders on the open deck. We complained to the staff because there were lots of kids around, but it continued for several hours. (I guess we should consider the source (Carnival))
In any case, a bad cruise beats a good day at the office.
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Old September 29th, 2004, 01:56 PM
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i agree with jane marlow. if they play rap music i probably will get off in the first port and fly home.
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Old October 3rd, 2004, 11:07 AM
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Anybody who forsakes the casino for an "educational" experience at the art auction is simply trading one form of gambling for another!

Much of what is sold at the art auctions is poster junk. BUT, I have found two real bargains at Park West auctions aboard ship, and snapped them both up. The only reason I knew they were bargains is that they were a genre I know something about and collect, and am very familiar with true values. Both now appraise for approximately three times what I paid.

But if you don't know anything about prices, you're a lamb waiting for slaughter.

On the other hand, one legitimate school of thought says that if you REALLY like something and it's less than $500 (and you can afford $500 without paying interest on your credit card), then buy it because you might not see it again. But once you get over $500, you really better damn well know what you're doing.
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Old December 15th, 2004, 03:39 PM
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My husband and I love the art auctions. We finally had a chance to pick out some art for our home without kids in tow. We had priced serigraphs by the artists we like in local galleries and Park West offered them at significantly lower prices. We have framed most of the pieces, free and purchased, and enjoy them every day. Wonderful memory of our cruise.

I agree with the music comment, it is almost always too loud, with only a couple exceptions. 2 years ago a cruise out of LA on Carnival Elation they had a lovely female string trio that played all classical. We saw them several times throughout the week. The rest of the music was bad and played too loudly. Also RCCL Legend last summer a young man was playing solo acoustic guitar as people waited to go into dinner. My young son got antsy at dinner so he and I strolled out there and were the only ones listening as the guitarist finished his set. I wish the cruise ships would offer more of this quality and type of music.

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Old December 22nd, 2004, 08:10 PM
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Never heard rap but always enjoy the reggae band at poolside in the lazy afternoon, the guitar player aft for sunsets..etc. Jazz combo is a nice suggestion!
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Old December 22nd, 2004, 10:05 PM
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Must be talking about "Heatwave" by the pool. We are booking another RCCL cruise for 2005
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Old December 24th, 2004, 06:53 PM
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Sitmarguy,

You think the Cruise Lines dont "Get it". You want quiet music by the pool, gracious hosts, and no art auctions. I am absolutely in complete agreement with you. Thats why I travel on cruise lines that DO have quiet pool areas, gracious hosts and no Art Auctions.
Have you considered trying that yourself?

Mass Market cruise lines stay in business because they give the mass market public what they want. If they didnt do this, they would be very quickly bankrupt. The mass market public gets their cheap cruise, their party atmosphere by the pools, their Cruise Staff acting like K-Mart shopping hosts, and plenty of Art Auctions.

If you want to go the cheap way and run with the dogs, you will have to suffer the fleas as well.
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Old January 2nd, 2005, 08:42 PM
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I like the art auctions because they have free liquor, albeit cheap swill. Most of the art is tacky, but that's the best part. I love seeing gaudy artwork, I love seeing people spend good money to buy it even more.
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Old January 9th, 2005, 06:20 PM
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Sorry to quibble but my cruises on Celeb & Royal are not cheap by any means & I like a little life at the pool...it is not K-mart on either of those lines, nor is it loud blaring rap. Each also offer quiet & orchestral music at other times...Just because there's a bit of life to the music does not make it cheap or K-mart....& I assure you I do not run with dogs or suffer from fleas! In fact on our last Celeb cruise the hottest dance craze was the waltz--not exactly the boogie woogie...
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Old February 20th, 2005, 02:24 PM
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Just returned from my second cruise and loved the art auctions. The host gave out a lot of information on the artist and I learned alot. My wife and I attended 3 out 3 of the ship auctions and enjoyed them. We did not buy anything but the atmosphere is fun and relaxed. The host was a Canadian - Michelle. No ones holding agun to your head to go, so if you know you don't like them ........stay away!!!!! I don't like the party type pool games so I don't go or attend something else while this goes on and let those who do like them enjoy themselfs.

Stop complaing about a minor detail of the cruise. The cruise line would never be able to please all the people all the time.
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Old March 31st, 2005, 08:21 AM
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You are so right.

Music as such does not seem to exist aboard ships any more. What happened to the marvelous classics that performers used to sing and/or play?
What happened to the wonderful classical concerts that used to be offered?
Now all we get is shouting, screeching and blaring.

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Well i can tell you that over my whole cruisin life i have noticed a gradual change for the worst. I am talking about the Cruises that go out of NOLA not to be bitcy my friend Carnival has stuck to the better playing of music inside than out. the music on my last trip was very boring and dull. Being a Radio DJ i about wanted to get to the bottom of things. they played the same crappy music repeatidly. i guess the person incharge of the music fell asleep at the knob. I got to play on the piano withe the Polish TRIOJune of 01 and we had a blast. Everyone kept coming up and requesting music that was ultra classica

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I just got back from the Carnival Legend. I liked the music very much. The reggae band by the pool were great. The attrium had a guy who sang and played piano pop music and classic rock, the orchestra in the main showroom was fantastic, there was another dance/pop band in one of the bars. Ok the DJ at Medusa's night club did need to cut some of the rap out and get more variety and older dance hits. There was a jazz trio in the hall after dinner, and I think there was some classical going on somewhere too. Something for everyone. Our talent show was awesome and featured many acts by blind musicians and singers who were passengers, they were wonderful. For more laid back stuff maybe a line like Cunard?
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As far as I know, Holland America has always featured a string quartet that plays nightly on all of its ships. And they are generally very good.

Can anyone confirm if this is still true?

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As of last December the strings were still playing in the Explorers Lounge. They are, however, not really a classical music or concert group. They may be semi-classic. They play more standards than anything else.

I was referring to the concert artists that the ships used to have....the classical pianists, the chamber music groups, and the professional opera singers.

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On the Norwegian Dream last year (Baltic), we were amazed and delighted that they featured an American classical pianist one evening in the main theater. We were totally unprepared for the quality of his playing and the variety of his repertoire. Everything from Tchaikovsky and Grieg to Gershwin to Phantom of the Opera to the Beatles.

The audience loved it so much that NCL had to bring him back on another evening to reprise his performance. The pianist, whose name is Michael Chio, was simply great! Why can't we see more of this type of entertainment to go with the many mundane acts we see on cruise ships? We could certainly use a touch of the highbrow to even the playing field IMO.

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Old June 6th, 2005, 11:51 PM
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Well we are big jazz lovers, and music is played in our home/car everyday.
We are not big fans of steel drum music, but I do like it a little...to get me in the mood of being in the caribbean.
I suppose...and this is a bit drastic...you could wear ear plugs around the pool area.
But I do agree with you sometimes the music is over the top.

We have really enjoyed the art auctions, but the Princess ones were a flop. The RCL ones called Park Lane ???? were actually a real auction, and were very educational. We bought quite a few pieces and we get big compiements on them.
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From what an entertaining duo told us they were told what type of music to sing and play...this couple was fantastic, but didn't draw. The next year was another duo who drew a full lounge most evenings.. I find on NCL there are always lots of places to hide and read in peace..
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I like all types of music.......as I am sure most do.
It really dosen't bother me to hear music from any generation, as long as we don't stay stuck in just one......a good mix is always best IMHO.
There are so many people aboard a ship, it's hard to please everyone.
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My husband & I also love the art auctions. We really went overboard on the last one (someone must have told them we love Thomas Kincade!) but now we have a beautiful view of our prints in our hallway.

The one MISTAKE we made was purchasing a "carry off". No shipping available, no matter how much you offered. Also, since we were flying home on a Sunday, there were NO shipping companies available (FedEx, or anyone!). It was too delicate to check, also too big to carry on. We were afraid for a moment we would have to leave it behind! But then, there was this man at the Miami airport who had a business wrapping items in plastic. He did a great job, wrapped it very well then we checked it. Even still, the corner of the frame was damaged, but the print survived. No more carryoffs, no matter HOW much we like it!

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stick a pair of headphones on, and click on your ipod, and listen to whatever suits your fancy

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Hello,

I use to work for Princess Cruisesin the art department on land. Believe it or not people actually do like the art shows and many of the auctioneers. If you do not like the auctions you do not have to attend. If you look at the art and some of its history it can be very interesting and educational. Besides, everyone needs art in there home, and the art shows have a lot to offer. If you are not interested, it is a free country where you would not have to purchase it or attend. In the end, the art is beautiful and the company offers many different artist of interest. However, there is a high demand for art aboard the ship's, there actually people that travel just for the auctions. All said in done don't knock it until you truly tried to understand what that picture means or is saying.

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My biggest challenge on any ship is finding deck space that is quiet since all I want is the sound of the ocean. Regarding art auctions, I avoid them because I see the same art selling on every ship I sail on (I've been on LOTS of cruise ships, remember). But if you see something you really love, why not buy it? Art beats a t-shirt as a souvenir any day.

I was once at a piano bar on a Royal Caribbean ship and started a conversation with the pianist. She graduated from Julliard, the top music school in the country. So I asked her why she was basically playing "musak" in the cocktail lounge. She said that if she tried Classical or Jazz the place would empty out fast. People only want background music they know when the focus is conversation. Anything else and it disrupts the conversation.

I live in New York, which says a lot. I avoid all cruise ship entertainment and have been known to tell a cruise line executive: "I'll say nice things about your ship if you don't make me go to your floor show." That always brings a laugh. But I certainly want to know what passengers think of it! You are all more knowledgeable about cruise ship entertainment than I am!

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My biggest challenge on any ship is finding deck space that is quiet since all I want is the sound of the ocean. Regarding art auctions, I avoid them because I see the same art selling on every ship I sail on (I've been on LOTS of cruise ships, remember). But if you see something you really love, why not buy it? Art beats a t-shirt as a souvenir any day.

I was once at a piano bar on a Royal Caribbean ship and started a conversation with the pianist. She graduated from Julliard, the top music school in the country. So I asked her why she was basically playing "musak" in the cocktail lounge. She said that if she tried Classical or Jazz the place would empty out fast. People only want background music they know when the focus is conversation. Anything else and it disrupts the conversation.

I live in New York, which says a lot. I avoid all cruise ship entertainment and have been known to tell a cruise line executive: "I'll say nice things about your ship if you don't make me go to your floor show." That always brings a laugh. But I certainly want to know what passengers think of it! You are all more knowledgeable about cruise ship entertainment than I am!
I am also a New Yorker, although I retired to Alexandria, VA 17 years ago. I remember some excellent entertainment on cruise ships within the last 20 years.

Let me cite the wonderful pre-dinner concerts in the Garden Lounge on board the Vistafjord, when she sailed for Cunard.

Let me mention pianists like Brooks Ahron.

I could go on and on. What has caused the deterioration in entertainment?

Joan
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