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Old August 4th, 2004, 04:26 PM
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Default 20 day NOORDAM cruise 9/24/04

We would greatly appreciate any and all information/suggestions on anything that would improve this cruise for us. Thanks
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Old August 5th, 2004, 11:38 AM
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I was on the Noordam in late April/early May in the Med. Which ports will you have?

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Old August 5th, 2004, 12:26 PM
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Hi Donna;
We will going to Dubrovnik, Corfu, Malta, Palermo, Minorca, St Tropez, Barcelona, ,Sardinia, Corsica, Monte Carlo, Livorno, Tunis, Malta again, and Naples. ANYTHING you can tell about the ports, the ship, or ANYTHING will be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Budd
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Old August 5th, 2004, 09:16 PM
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Dubrovnik and Corfu are very easily done on your own. Been to each twice. In Dubrovnik you can walk the walls (around the city) for spectacular views and a good way to get an overview of the city. They now will rent you a tape player in English that one can walk around the wall with and stop at "stations" and hear what is said. It gives you a great historical view of the city. Then go inside the walls and see the church of St. Blaze and the monestary. Stop and have a coffee in an outdoor area. It is a wonderful city and one of my favorites!
Corfu is a easy walk around. Last year we happened upon a baptism in the church, that was an added bonus. It is fun to shop there too. Enjoy this city, your itinerary will be busy and it is just a nice day to walk around and experience Corfu.
I cannot remember where else you are going...hope this helps
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Old August 5th, 2004, 09:21 PM
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We were on the Noordam last fall too, what would you like to know? I thought their shore excursions were fairly priced and good. Like I said , however, do Corfu and Dubrovnik on your own. Malta we did take a shore excursion to the ancient city of Mdina, which I really liked. Obviously, Livorno is for Florence a MUST See! We are going to Naples ourselves this year and Monte Carlo. I believe for Naples if you haven't seen Pompeii, in my opinion, a very good tour.
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Old August 6th, 2004, 03:35 PM
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We enjoyed the Noordam. I'm not overly fond of the big megaliners, so this is a nice-sized ship. It is of course an older ship, so you won't have the 7-story atrium, lots of balconies, or other amenities found on the newer ships. What you will find is a well maintained ship with plenty of deck space, solid food quality (not gourmet but plenty of good food), and great service. If you've sailed Holland before, you know that the atmosphere is a little more genteel than the party ships, and I think this ship and itinerary draws experienced travelers who don't want to play a different game every hour and are interested in the ports. Another big difference is that this ship observes the standard dining arrangements of early and late sitting for dinner, and that worked well for us to go to late dinner since we were spending so much time in port.

I'm not a big fan of ship's tours for many reasons, but they work for a lot of people who have some physical limitations, so this is all written from my perspecive of independent travel if at all possible.

I loved Malta (be sure to be out on deck to sail in and out of port), my husband took a taxi with a tablemate to the war museum there (Fort St. Elmo) while I went on a taxi tour with 4 other ladies to Mosta and Mdina, and it was fabulous. The cathedral in Mdina looks like it is jewel encrusted. We've been in too many cathedrals to count, and that is fabulous. The driver also stopped at some beautiful gardens, and we wandered around there too. I hope you will get out on the island because all the boats are painted such bright colors in the harbors, and it is very picturesque. My taxi tour was about $50 U.S. with tip, and there were 5 of us in the cab. The driver dropped us off in town, and we went to the Grand Master's Palace. Caution: I don't think Malta has converted to the Euro, and U.S. dollars are not accepted at some places (and credit cards are only allowed for purchases over $15 or so). The taxi drivers took U.S. dollars. If Malta is not on the Euro, I recommend that you order about $50 in Malta dollars from your bank about 3 weeks before you sail.

Ah, St. Tropez. What wonderful memories we have of this delightful stop. This is a very easy port to do on your own. Our ship tendered the passengers in, and we were dropped off in the scenic harbor. It's a lovely town to just stroll around, and we climed up the hill to the fortress for panoramic views of our ship at tender in the harbor and of the village. It's a little like Venice without the canals. We also went to the art museum there.

On the island of Minorca, I assume that you will also be docking at Mahon. Mahon is another lovely town, and you can simply walk up some stairs where the ship docks through a park and into the town. Shops line the streets, and there are several small cathedrals. We took a 1/2 day shore excursion here because it was one where we got off the bus and didn't sit with our noses pressed to the windows, and it visited 5 very scenic stops including a cheese farm, to a working class fishing village, to a nice upscale village that was beautiful too, and to a scenic overlook high up in the mountains. I don't remember the name of the tour, but it was 5 hours and about $34.

Our port city for Corsica was Ajjacio, and we rented a car with another couple from our dinner table. I didn't make the rental arrangements, so I don't have details, but the port lecturer on board the ship gave instructions to our table mate, and it was easy. On this island, the scenery is also gorgeous, and you'll need to get out away from the port city and up into the mountains to see the panoramic views. The town was not that great, but it's an okay place to spend a couple of hours. You can walk into town from the ship.

I recommend that you hire a private driver for Livorno. If you have not seen Florence, I'm torn as to whether or not to advise you to go there. Florence is so wonderful, but it is very difficult to see it in a day. However, you'll have a much better shot at doing that in a small group. I have talked to dozens of people who went on the all-day Florence shore excursion on several different ships, and they always talk about how they were herded around, didn't have enough time to see the sights, etc. When 60 people or more are required to load/unload, potty, eat, etc. it just takes much longer than a small group, and you're not getting to see what you want to see. If you haven't already done this, you can easily form a group by asking your guide for assistance, posting messages on this board and cruisecritic.com, and asking around on board the ship. My husband and I traveled on our last trip on short notice because he was changing companies, and we had no problems filling our vans for tours. I think many passengers realize that the private tour experience is great, and they just don't have contacts or haven't formed a group, so many are looking for a group to join. We used Papillon tours in Livorno and were thrilled with their services (http://www.papillonservice.com). We went to Siena and San Gimignano, and it was just magical. We loved both villages so much. Our driver also took us on the scenic roads in Tuscany, including the Chianti Road, and it was just so beautiful. We had such a good time that we extended the tour from 8 hours to 11 hours. We had been to Florence, so this was a wonderful alternative for us in the region. Our driver was wonderful too, and when will we have another opportunity to say that we used the same driver that Don Johnson and Nicole Kidman used? It was cheaper than the ship's shore excursions, and it was nice to be able to go on our own schedule. If you haven't been to Florence and want to do that (I think the day in San Gimignano and Siena was more special in a lot of ways), you could also do a quick stop at the Leaning Tower of Pisa on the way to Florence. There really are no bad options in this port.

Barcelona is very easy to do on your own. There is a hop-on hop-off bus that goes to all the major sights, and the subway system is very good too (and there is a stop for the Sagrada Familia that is one of the favorites of Gaudi architecture enthusiasts). I think the ships usually run a shuttle (there may be a small fee) from the industrial docks to the base of Las Ramblas. From there, you can stroll up that interesting street, and you can access the Gothic Quarter from Las Ramblas. Frommers has a great walking tour of that area. If you're been to Barcelona before, we loved visiting the monastery at nearby Montserrat, and the setting is just awesome. The boy's choir sings on Mondays.

We haven't visited the other ports you referenced other than last, but not least, Monte Carlo. Again, I think it depends on whether or not you have visited this port before. If you haven't, I really think Monte Carlo is very charming. It is very small, and you can easily see the sights on your own. Frommers has a great walking tour here too that includes the cathedral where Princess Grace is buried. The royal palace is nice (you can see the changing of the guard too, but it may be disappointing for some who expect something huge like you see in London), and there is a Napoleon museum next to it. The views from that area are spectacular. It's fun to visit the casino. Since Monte Carlo is so small and if you're up for a full day and on into evening, I highly recommend a private driver in this port. There are so many small villages that are just stunning in this area, and no trip would be complete for me without a stop in St. Paul de Vence. One lady in our group said that if she never got to go anywhere again, she would die happy just having been to that one place. We started in Cannes briefly to see the film festival area, drove the scenic coastal road, went to Eze and St. Paul de Vence (these are both pretty similar medieval villages, and St. Paul is the better of the two), to some panoramic overview photo stops for shots of Nice and Monaco. Since we were in port until 11:00, we left our private driver at about 6:00 and went on to Monte Carlo. We used Dream Tours (http://www.dream-tours.com/) and could not imagine it being any better.

Hope that helps you with your trip planning, and we hope you have a great time.

Donna
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Oops--we have been to Naples. Watch your belongings there (purses across your body and wallets not in pockets). We took the train to Pompeii and hired a guide there. The other time we were there, we did a private tour of the Amalfi coast, and it was FABULOUS!

Is Palmero in Sicily? We went to Taormina and loved that too.
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Old August 7th, 2004, 02:04 PM
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Donna & Brenda;
Thanks for all the insights, it is going to take us a while to absorb all of this information and we appreciate it. Our last Holland America cruise was on the S.S. Rotterdam a month before she was sold. We like the small older ships with plenty of outside deck space; NCL's Wind & Dream are great in this reguard. Thanks again.

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Old August 26th, 2004, 12:19 PM
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We are sailing the Noordam on the Western Europe cruise Sept.10th and will be disembarking as you arrive.
We have been to the following ports previously.

Malta: Vallett

a can be done on your own at you own pace. You can walk uphill to the old town or get a cab, which is reasonably priced. It was very crowded when we were there in early Sept. last year. We also took a local bus to Mdina and spent a few hours there.It too was very interesting. The bus station is just outside the entrance to the walled city of Valletta and we had no trouble finding assistance in English. These two excursions, including lunch and an afternoon beer stop consumed most of the day.

Barcelona: Some ships dock nearer to the entrance to Las Ramblas than others but the latter usually offer shuttle service thru the port authority.
Barcelona can be done on your own. Las Ramblas can be walked and explored from one end to the other and there is much to see, incuding the side streets and. Don't miss a walk through the market.
The hop-on hop-off open top tourist bus is an excellent way to tour the sites of the city. You can catch it at the entrance to Las Ramlas outside the cruise terminal. In addition, the same excursions are offered by independent tour companies from the same location but they cost a little more (not much) than the official.

Sardinia: The port of Olbia. This one is a little tricky. We missed the bus to take us to the resort area (the same excursion offered by the ship) and the next one wouldn't get us back on time to board the ship. It was impossible to locate a cab driver who could speak English or who would tour the countryside. We simply spent the day walking the town (which offers little) people watching from a cafe and trying to talk to the locals. This proved somewhat interesting and we eventually purchased some local wine, cheese, fresh baked bread and fruit and had ourselves a picnic. If you want an excursion from here it may be best to take what is offered by the ship.

Corsica: The port is Ajaccio. We did this one on our own as none of the ship's excursions interested us. Nothing terribly exciting here but we did enjoy ourselves. Visited the local sights, including the market, took a mini tour train (no horse drawn carriages) did some shopping, returned to the ship for lunch and went back into town to wander the streets and people watch.

Monte Carlo; Have not been there but it is on our Sept. itinerary. We did dock at Villefranche which is a little way down the coast. Spent time walking around, taking pictures, snacking at the cafe etc. (a lovely picturesque village) then we walked uphill to the main road and caught the local bus into Nice. Spent the afternoon there and had a great lunch in a small courtyard cafe/bistro in the old part of the city. This time around we hope to hire a cab or tour operator to take us to Eze & St.Paul de Vence and other villages on the way. The Cote d' Azur offers a fair amount to see and you will have to decide what you want to see. Most of it can be done on your own, rather than taking the ship's tours.

Good Luck
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Old August 27th, 2004, 12:16 PM
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Hi Jayjay, We'll be on your cruise too. Would love to "chat" about your plans. I've found only one other couple to converse with ahead of time. Sounds like you're pretty well traveled. Email us!
Joyce and Tim
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