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Old November 22nd, 2003, 07:16 PM
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Default New gambler-what should I try?

What's a good gambling experience for a person new to gambling? Used to play my Dad in poker with my allowance (he usually gave it BACK to me once I'd lost, but I *did* learn to play!), but have never been to a casino......and I'm feeling LUCKY!!

What should I try?

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Old November 23rd, 2003, 08:15 PM
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Roulette. Place a $5 chip on number 17 straight up. Do this 4 times and stop. It's a $20 bet total and the potential hit is worth $175. Once a day is all that is recomended for the length of the cruise. If your ouch factor is higher then increase the individual bet up to a maximum of $25 for each spin. That nets you $875. Any individual bet less than $5 puts you into the casino's zone for winning. A common mistake in roulette is to stay at the table until all your money is gone. The longer you stay the more you pay. You want to make a big bet once a day rather then shove quarters into a machine for hours. Good luck at the tables.
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Old November 24th, 2003, 10:46 AM
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Really depends Dorothy on what you want to do in the casino. Are you going there for entertainment and excitement and don't mind if you lose your $100 stake? Or are you going there to work the tables best you can and see if you can win enough to pay for the cruise?

The simplest game is the slots. Put in a coin, pull the handle (or push the button these days) and it pays when you hit. But it's also the worst for player odds.

The best bet in the casino (unless you can count cards and play perfect blackjack) for the player is the pass/don't pass line on the craps table. The casino has a 1.41% advantage. All other games give the casino a better advantage.

You can go in there and drop all your money on the roulette table, or craps table, or slot machines and walk away in 2 minutes with your money gone and you had very little entertainment for your investment. Or you can go in there with a strategy to play for several hours and get something in the way of entertainment and possibly make some extra cash.

The best bet in the casino for the player: All your money on the pass line on the craps table for one roll of the dice. Either lose it or double it. The longer you stay in the casino the more the house advantage begins to shape the outcome.

Here's what I do: I take $100 in the casino and make these three rules:
1) Leave when it's gone
2) Leave when it's 11:00 (or some set time)
3) Leave when I double it.

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Old November 24th, 2003, 03:13 PM
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Default Re: New gambler-what should I try?

I like your 3 rules, Thomas and will take them to heart. I am drawn more to crap table, roulette and slots and less to cards and slots.

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Old November 26th, 2003, 12:03 PM
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I saved my quarters up at home and played them. I divided them into baggies by the number of days of the cruise, put each coin in once and cashed out my winnings. Actually came out ahead. The last night the slots weren't hitting at all.

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Old November 28th, 2003, 04:37 AM
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I agree with thomas...besides blackjack, craps is a good bet. I wouldn't recommend the roulette table, as it has a high house edge on all the bets. Despite looking very complicated, craps is a easy game to learn.....I downloaded a program called Wincraps so i could practice before i hit vegas. It was very helpful.

Also, www.wizardofodds.com is a good sight that goes over the basic strategys for every casino game and the house edges.

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Old November 30th, 2003, 11:37 AM
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Folks, as someone who lives in Las Vegas, let me tell you that the odds are against you in each and every game on board ship. Most people will lose! Gambling is a sucker's bet. Stay away from the casino and spend your money on something you will remember (shore excursions, gifts for ashore, etc.) Why dod you want a memory of how much money you lost in the casino. The winners are few and far between, you most likely will not win!
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Old December 3rd, 2003, 12:06 PM
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Well no kidding pinecone the odds are against you in every game. But there is entertainment in gambling, and there's excitement and there's a chance to make money. I can spend 20 bucks at the movie theatre for entertainment and be assured all $20 will be gone. I can spend $20 in the casino for entertainment and have a chance to leave with $20 or more. I get extremely bored at the movies but I can play blackjack for hours and never realize I'm on a ship.

Dorothy,

You can download a cheat sheet off the internet for the perfect strategies in blackjack for free. You can sit at the table and use the cheat sheet legitimately, they won't say anything. The craps table is loaded with sucker bets but the pass/don't pass lines with double odds are the only ones you really need to be playing and as X stated above the game is really simple to learn. I don't play roulette, slots, or other table games because the odds aren't as good as blackjack or craps. And if you see me at the tables on the Fantasy please grab a seat and we can partner up to beat the dealer. Yeah!!!!

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Old January 5th, 2004, 01:39 PM
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Play only blackjack. Like they say above, print out a "basic strategy" for blackjack and follow it religously. Don't worry what other people tell you or moan at the table if you "take their card". If you follow basic strategy, the casino has only a slight chance of winning over the long run. Its the other games that they seriously make losers out of the visitors (DON'T BE THEM). After you get up, do this:

one unit = your base bet ($5, $10, or $25): each win:

1 unit....win
3 units....win
2 units....win
6 units....win

anytime you lose, start over. After the second win, you are guaranteed to have picked up money since you are now playing on their money. In effect all you're doing is adding one unit to the second bet (+ the original + the win). After that win you're up 3 units. If you lose on the third round, you're still up one unit.
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Old February 8th, 2004, 06:09 PM
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Default Re: New gambler-what should I try?

Could you please explain the pass/don't pass line in craps?
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Old March 31st, 2004, 09:07 AM
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Please brush up on your blackjack skills before going to the tables. Experienced players get very annoyed when inexperienced players hold up the game.
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Old April 3rd, 2004, 12:54 PM
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Basic Pass/don't pass playing:

When the dice change hands, place $5 on the pass line. The pass line will win if the shooter rolls a 7 or 11. It will lose if the shooter rolls a 2,3, or 12. If the shooter rolls another number (4,5,6,8,9,10) that number now becomes the point. Once the shooter establishes a point, you are then allowed to back-up your passline bet with odds, usually 2 times the amount of your passline bet. You are then hoping for the shooter to hit the point before he/she rolls a 7.

For don't pass, it is similar, but opposite. A $5 don't pass bet wins if the shooter rolls a 2 or 3 - but pushes when it's a 12. If a 7 or 11 is rolled, the don't pass bet loses. If a point is established, you win if the seven is rolled before the point number is rolled a second time.

Similar bets are the come and don't come. However, they are used only after the shooter has begun to roll.

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Old May 2nd, 2004, 10:13 AM
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Don't forget they have very informative classes in the casino, usually on the second day, at around 2:00 PM (if its a Sea Day, other times if its a port day). And I can tell you from experience, if you want to know, ask!

Casinos want you to make money! You know why? Because every 1 win is 20 losses in someone else. They have big jangly bells for slots, to tell other people someone has one. They then join on in a chance to win. Of those people, one win, and so on and so on.

its a large con game that everyones into, but it couldn't be more fun
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Old June 27th, 2004, 11:51 AM
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Craps is a great game to play. There is usually yelling and screaming amongst the "right way" players. There are bets that the house has a less than 1% advantage, and bets that the house has an over 10% advantage. A book or video about the basics of craps will inform you as to which bets have the best advantage.
The minimums on crap tables on cruise ships are pretty high. Thus I like to play the "don't pass" line. If I get past the 7 or 11, my chances of winning are usually pretty good.

For all you crap players out there - one funny story about someone I observed who had no idea of how odds in craps worked. The player inadvertently placed his chip on the "Don't Pass" line. The point was established without a 7 or 11 coming up. He then noticed that his bet was on the '"don't pass" line and became agitated. He asked the staff if he could move his bet to the passline - which he was allowed to do. He had no odds on the bet, and the 7 came up!! What was so funny was his relief when the staff allowed him to move his bet to the "pass line". He obviously had no idea that he reduced his chances of winning with that move, and that the staff was not doing him any favors, although they sure acted like they did!
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Old July 10th, 2004, 12:41 AM
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Pinecone, I'll never forget my first visit to Vegas almost 30 years ago. My mother was with me and she told me to look around and realize that Vegas was not built by people winning, this coming from a woman who luck in winning at slots. Some people are going to win; more are going to lose. One always hopes to be in the minority, a winner. As Thomas said, gambling is entertaining, it is exciting and it is a chance. The important thing is to set your own personal limits and vow to never stray from those limits.
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Go to the lessions the casino offer. They are useful. Also dont be afraid to watch. Many people on the cruise will be 100% willing to explain to you why they are doing what they are doing. Some people are grumpy but most will be happy to explain. If you are confused ask a pit boss or dealer. If it is quiet they will sit there and explain move by move with you.
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