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Ok I've got a pet peeve. Its people who feel its necessary to offer up advice to others playing blackjack. Should you hit, stay, double down??? the guy to your left has an opinion and he's going to let you know whether you want his advice or not.

Anybody else get annoyed at this?

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Old March 11th, 2005, 06:07 PM
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The problem with blackjack is that the odds of other people winning at the table is dependent upon the choices that you make with your hand. As long as how you play can affect my odds of winning, I am going to be suggesting how you should play. Of course if I were at a table and people did not know how to play, I would probably get up instead of haggling over their choices.
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Old March 14th, 2005, 02:29 PM
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Other peoples play has no effect on the outcome of your hands in the long run. It's been hashed out in every reputable blackjack book written in the last 30 yrs and its the consensus of better BJ players then me. The odds that they got a card you needed is the same as them taking a card that would bust you. Be comforted in that they wont last long at the table playing stupidly.

BTW correct BS, such as doubling or hitting various soft hands, can appear to be bad play to the unknowing/unskilled so it goes both ways.

I dont care for chatty people either. Im gambling with my own hard owned money and dont need anymore distractions on top of all the normal casino noise.
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Old March 21st, 2005, 02:05 PM
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Is it just me or has this thread been heavily censored?

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Old March 22nd, 2005, 01:27 PM
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Ooops, never mind. I found the thread in question in the Gripes folder. I thought I was seeing things. .

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The reason I have not learned how to play blackjack ( hubby loves to play and would like me to play as well) is because of people who get irritable if a new person is at the table and get offered advice or ask for advice. Everyone has to learn how to play the game one way or another. If I do play and I am unsure about what to do...I DO ask my husband and take his advice whether it makes anyone mad or not.
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Old May 16th, 2005, 10:42 AM
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rrk check out http://www.hitorstand.net/

You can learn correct BS there.

Also check out the blackjack school.

http://bj21.com/gamemaster/gamemaste...icsindex.shtml

It has some great tips on learning to play like makeing flashcards etc.

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Old June 28th, 2005, 03:32 PM
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I usually only play at the $25.00 or higher tables to avoid beginners. Cruise ships haver a lot of first time blackjack players. Bad play by other players can affect how your hands end up.
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From first hand experience, I played at a table once when I had 20, and the last person before the dealer hit a 14 and busted getting a face card, despite the fact the dealer had a 5 showing.

Sure enough, the dealer had a 10 underneath, and drew a 6, giving him 21, and ruining my hand. Had the last guy stayed on his 14, the dealer would have drawn the face card and busted.

I was so mad, knowing that the last guy played his hand improperly, costing everyone else at the table their chips. I stood up, and said in a rather loud tone of voice that I was not going to play with that F@#$%$ dumb#$$ and walked off. Needless to say, a few buddies of mine who witnessed that incident still laugh today whenever it is brought into conversation.
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Old July 16th, 2005, 12:02 PM
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Wow Loanshark! You must have a PhD in Statistics, because your one experience quite obviously disproves present day mathematical reasoning. I think maybe your friends are laughing at you since you are the Dumba**!
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Old July 20th, 2005, 11:00 AM
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For the folks who are just learning they sell little plastic cards with the BS on them. They're about the size of a business card. The sell them at casino gift shops and on-line. I dont think anyone would be mad if you used one at the table to play correctly.

After a while it will become intuitive. Get yourself a cheap computer game from Best Buy and play at home to learn. Mine cost $6.
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Old July 30th, 2005, 05:45 PM
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I cannot believe that people are going to get mad with me about my spending my money at a blackjack table as I see fit. I may draw on 17 if I am feeling lucky...that is a feeling usually brought on by alcohol. I will play by YOUR rules if YOU are banking my play. Otherwise, stay silent until I lose or WIN. It is a game of CHANCE.
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Old August 15th, 2005, 02:54 AM
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Don, it is that attitude that causes others to lose, climb back into the bottle.
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Old August 16th, 2005, 05:55 PM
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I absolutely hate it when a player challenges my style of play.
You can only say I "ruined" your hand if I KNOW what the next couple of cards in the deck are going to be - which of course I don't. Statistics and probability are great, but sometimes i "feel lucky" and will ht or stand when conventional wisdom suggests the other move.
It's my money and I'm playing MY HAND not yours. I could care less if you win or lose. I'm trying to win - even if that means employing a strategy you don't agree with.

When I am challenged by a player at the table to my left, I like to reply with "yeah, it's kinda scary over there to my left isn't it?" Then I just smile a really cocky smile and continue with my own strategy.

Once a person was sooooo annoying I said "Fine you want to play my hand. . . what would you do here?" She said STAND. Of course I said HIT (just to piss her off) I won that hand, she lost (Boy do I love karma) and she stormed away from the table.

Suited me just fine.
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Due to my being a peaceable guy I think I have figured out how I can play wildy at this game and offend no one. If I sit to the far left of all the players will I not be the last player to play my hand and therefore affect no other's play?
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I generally dont give advice to anyone. Maybe if Ive been playing for a while with someone who I know is a good player he may need a little wink or something but as a general rule I mind my own business. It is VERY frustrating though to see some people play. As a card counter its even more painful but I suppose its excusable.

Bad play does not have any have any affect on the outcome of anyone elses hands.

Its all about the math and probability. People who think otherwise just remember the instances when they got the shaft more then the times that they didnt.

The thing I hate the most is the giant drunk blow hard who plops down next to you and proceeds to "call" out in your ear what cards he thinks is coming out next or what card he needs. That was the most unhappy part of my last trip. Many drinks were required to lower my BP.
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I love to sit at a blackjack table with somebody who is just learning the game or plays less than perfectly. If they ask for my advice, I will certainly give it, otherwise I just sit and keep my mouth shut and enjoy watching the drama play out at the table. You will always have a few (some of my family members among them) who get outrageously mad and make complete idiots out of themselves because they perceive this bad player as ruining their hands. They curse, make rude comments and throw their cards around like morons each time the other player does something that they perceive as wrong. Of course, these morons only notice the times when the other player's bad play ruins their hand, never when it helps them.

Statistically, nothing anybody else does has any long-term effect on your winnings or losings. Sometimes another player's choices will help you, sometimes they will hurt you (of course, most people only notice and remember the times that hurt). Over the long run, it has no effect. But oh, it is so fun to watch!
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Everyone has a different way of playing, and there is a difference between beginners who know nothing, and those who know the rules, like me, but also analyze what cards are out on the table, and what have come out. I usually figure that the more high cards out, the more likely I am of drawing a low card, and might hit on a 14 with the dealer having a 5. Those are statistics too, and you don't always have to play by the book to be right. So, are you mad at the person who plays by the book, hits when the dealer has a face card showing because he has a 7, then the dealer has a 4, hits and gets a 7?
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I usually figure that the more high cards out, the more likely I am of drawing a low card, and might hit on a 14 with the dealer having a 5. Those are statistics too, and you don't always have to play by the book to be right. So, are you mad at the person who plays by the book, hits when the dealer has a face card showing because he has a 7, then the dealer has a 4, hits and gets a 7?
Your a begining counter/advantage player and dont know it. Whats you are describing is counting but not keeping a running count, which would carry over to the next hand and continue until the end of the shoe.

When low cards are removed its to your advantage. You will get more BJ's and the dealer will bust more and in some instances you would deviate from the BS.

Counting cards really isnt that hard. You just have to put in the time to initially learn it and practice. Its like riding a bike after that.

If a guy with ADD can do it anyone can.
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I will be crusing on NCL Dawn in 30 days and I am a novice at best who has probably played blackjack a total of 10 times and very bad novice. I never win. I hope to play a little just so that I can get better at the game in real life.
I know you can play online and games but I feel that playing in real life will help me learn the game better.
I really am not there to ruin anyones time and hope that I do not that is why I do not plan on spending a lot of time gambling because I am a novice but I hope I have undersntading peopl at my table that will ba patient with me. Oh and I will only gamble at the $ 5.00 tables. The main reason I want to learn is my boss and a good friend of mine enjoy playing and when we get together I would like to show them I have got better. If anyone is on my cruise please have patience with me.
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Have fun scuba girl. I think you'll be alright.

If you want to practice some online try hit or stand dot net. They have a tutorial game that helps you learn BS and tells you when you've made the right/wrong play etc. I also think they have the basic strategy charts on the site. Its not that hard really.

I have the charts in an excel spreadsheet and Id be happy to send them your way as an e-mail attachment if you like.

Blackjack is a fun social game that, when played correctly, has pretty good bang for the buck in entertainment.
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Thanks MD I will try that website and see how it goes. Take care
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I've been watching this thread for a long time. My first reaction was that I'd LOVE someone who knows what they're doing to offer me advice. That's still my reaction .

I've played BJ with friends, but the only similarity to real BJ is the name of the game.

I don't even understand what most of you are talking about . Just from watching people play at casinos, it appears that everyone takes things so seriously that I would feel uncomfortable playing.

Maybe the cruise lines could have a "beginners" table?
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You can go online at blackjackodds.com or something similar to that and print out a chart. I've done that years ago and memorized the chart completely so I don't need it anymore but also, you can take the chart to the table and set it on the carpet and the dealer won't care. Or, you can ask the dealer what to do in certain situations and almost all of them will give you the correct advice.

Don't be afraid. The dealer wants you to win. It usually means better tips for him/her. People who are winning at a table usually attracts other players, which means more tips.

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Personally speaking of course. I feel before anyone sits down at any table game, they should learn how to play. I love blackjack to the point that it is the only game I play. But prior to sitting down at any real table, I learned the game first. If you sit down at the table not knowing how to play, then you are a fool. You can find many places to play mock blackjack prior to actually going to a casio. I have a CD rom with Hoyle's table games that is terrific for people who want to learn how to play a particular game. Rather than give your money away because you don't know how to play.....................learn first.
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Due to my being a peaceable guy I think I have figured out how I can play wildy at this game and offend no one. If I sit to the far left of all the players will I not be the last player to play my hand and therefore affect no other's play?
Sorry dear but this is absolutely the worst idea
The last seat at the table is known as the "anchor", and according to all those people who will get upset if you play "wrong", is the most important seat on the table as you directly affect the cards the dealer draws, thus affecting the result for the whole table, eg you have 15 and decide to take a card, it is a 10, the dealer is showing a 6 turns his other card, shows 16, draws a 5! the table goes completely beserk, things are said, fights break out, all hell breaks loose, and it's all YOUR fault, cos you took the "dealer's 10".

Best thing to do if you want to play wildly, is find a table of like minded people, or beginners, it's more fun anyway. The experienced BJ players are not fun to be around for the more adventurous types.

For those who want to play "properly" but aren't sure what to do, you can ask the dealer for advice too. The dealer WANTS you to win, you're more likely to tip, the dealer has probably seen more hands of Blackjack than anyone else at the table has ever seen, even the pros, and all dealers know BS instinctively and are much less patronising than the guy sitting next to you telling you when to hit and stand. Just don't take it personally if you lose, statistics does not guarantee a win.

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I quite honestly couldnt careless how people play. I will find my way to a table with all skilled players. What I wish more players would do is ask the table if they mind if you jump in. Granted you are not required to at all it is a courtesy thing. If I'm on a nice winning streak I hate getting a new person, give me the 2-3 hands to break the streak then I will gladly let you in, and probably buy you a drink for your courtesy.

Again nothing says you have to but it might make your tablemates like you a little more from the get-go.
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From first hand experience, I played at a table once when I had 20, and the last person before the dealer hit a 14 and busted getting a face card, despite the fact the dealer had a 5 showing.

Sure enough, the dealer had a 10 underneath, and drew a 6, giving him 21, and ruining my hand. Had the last guy stayed on his 14, the dealer would have drawn the face card and busted.

I was so mad, knowing that the last guy played his hand improperly, costing everyone else at the table their chips. I stood up, and said in a rather loud tone of voice that I was not going to play with that F@#$%$ dumb#$$ and walked off. Needless to say, a few buddies of mine who witnessed that incident still laugh today whenever it is brought into conversation.
I don't get this! I am aware of BJ BS, but this is also called GAMBLING! If I'm that player that is being berated, and I have a GAMBLER'S feeling, for whatever reason, that the next card offered to me is something less than an eight, then I'm taking a hit! It's my money, and I sat down at the table to GAMBLE!

How about another game - 5 card draw poker. Let's say the player in front of me is dealt a low pair - say 3's. I'm dealt 2 pair - 10's and 8's. The player after me is dealt a pair of 5's.

So the player in front of me's strategy should probably be to keep the 3's and ask for three cards. Let's say the next seven cards to be dealt are a 7, a Q, a 5, a 10, a 4, an A, and a 3. So the player in front of me, instead of drawing three cards, folds. I now draw one - trying for my full house, and draw the 7 - no help. Now the player after me draws three cards and gets the Q, 5, and my 10! - And wins with tripp 5's! So the player folding in front of me actually changed the potential winner from me to the player after me. But nobody knows that because he threw his cards in. And guess what? He paid his money to buy the right to make that decision.

It's called GAMBLING, and the player that folded had NO obligation to play that hand or any other hand within any predefined precision rules. If that's the way it's supposed to be, maybe everyone at the table should vote on what each player's next move should be! Or we could just pay our money, and have computers play the games for us, while we stuffed our faces at the buffet. Then we could stop by later and see how "WE" did!

So maybe we should not be so quick to condem, and label someone a "F@#$%$ dumb#$$", when maybe what they were actually doing was GAMBLING!

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I quite honestly couldnt careless how people play. I will find my way to a table with all skilled players. What I wish more players would do is ask the table if they mind if you jump in. Granted you are not required to at all it is a courtesy thing. If I'm on a nice winning streak I hate getting a new person, give me the 2-3 hands to break the streak then I will gladly let you in, and probably buy you a drink for your courtesy.

Again nothing says you have to but it might make your tablemates like you a little more from the get-go.
The best time to join a game is when the other players are on a winning streak. If the table is having a good streak, there's a good chance that the deck is ten-rich (a condition most favorable to the player). This is the exact time that you want to jump into the action and not just stand back and watch other people win!

People come and people go. That's the nature of the game. No need to ask.
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I find many of the replys rather amusing. The number of people who insist that other players decisions at blackjack affect their play, is truly amazing. This is nonsense, and anyone who has a good basic knowledge of probabilty, knows it is.

As a general rule, the less a person understands aboult the mathematics of the game, the more qualified they think they are to lecture others.
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