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While this in no way excuses the behaviour of killing people who are bi.gay...I feel that often times, the militant gays/lesbians try and shove sexuality down other peoples throats. I see that in NYC a lot....though equally worse are straight people too.

There is such a thing as reality......and I think sometimes, many gays and lesbians get lulled into a false sense of security outside the Major Metro areas (even with those areas one has to be careful)

There is nothing better than just behaving with decorum and propriety and letting your actions speak louder than words....and THAT I feel does volumes for acceptance and knowing gay people

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While this in no way excuses the behaviour of killing people who are bi.gay...I feel that often times, the militant gays/lesbians try and shove sexuality down other peoples throats. I see that in NYC a lot....though equally worse are straight people too.

There is such a thing as reality......and I think sometimes, many gays and lesbians get lulled into a false sense of security outside the Major Metro areas (even with those areas one has to be careful)

There is nothing better than just behaving with decorum and propriety and letting your actions speak louder than words....and THAT I feel does volumes for acceptance and knowing gay people

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Exactly. As Gandhi said, "Be the change you want to see in the world."
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Wow....thanks man.that put it so well....I am of Indian heritage and I forgot that quote!!!

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It's hard to believe that this continues in this day-in-age. We are scheduled on a cruise in April to celebrate one of our good (straight) friend's 60th birthday. Unfortunately, one of the ports-of-call is the Grand Caymans. We've have agreed that we will not be getting off the ship in this port. It may be our small way of protest to hold back our tourist dollars. In answer to the question of what Caribbean island really is gay affirming, we have an answer. On all of our visits, St. Barts, has truly been a locale where there was absolutely no predjudice evident. It may not be the most affordable island to visit but it makes up for that in the way the local population has a wonderful European attitude of "whatever". Try Barts, you'll love it!
Here is an article on the Cayman Islands

Gay cruisers return to Cayman
Friday, January 27, 2006

GEORGE TOWN, Cayman Islands: Over 3,000 gay cruisers are expected to converge on Grand Cayman Tuesday 31 January, in what is billed as “The Largest Gay Cruise in History II? by the specialist gay tour operator, Atlantis Events. The Navigator of the Seas cruise begins in Miami on Saturday, 28 January with 3,200 out of the ship’s 3,840 passengers, reported to be gay men and women.


Gay cruisers enjoy a cruise holiday in
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The seven-day journey takes the guests to Cozumel in Mexico (30 January), Grand Cayman (31 January), Labadee in Hispaniola (2 February) and Miami (4 February).

Officials at the Cayman Islands Department of Tourism (DOT) and the Port Authority confirmed that the ship with its gay cruisers was heading to Grand Cayman and would be in port between 11:00 am and 6:00 pm on Tuesday next week.

The Royal Caribbean ship pays bi-weekly calls to the Island; however, gay cruises were halted in 1998 when the Cayman Government bowed to public concerns and said no to 900 gay men and women due to arrive there.

Eight years later, there seems to be a change of heart as officials at the DOT and the Port Authority said that the cruisers are welcome. According to officials at both offices, who wanted to speak anonymously due to the sensitive nature of the gay cruise, Government established a non-discriminatory policy in 2001.

“The Government has no policy of discrimination and will not practice discrimination against anyone,? the spokesperson said.

“All law-abiding visitors are welcome and will be treated in the same manner despite sex, race, religion and culture. We don’t question people’s sexual relationship, we’re only concerned if they don’t comply with our laws and way of life.?


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Opposition Leader, McKeeva Bush, said it would be interesting to see how nationals would react to the gay cruise. “It’s interesting to see what is going to happening when they arrive here,? he said. “We know that the churches are opposing it.?

Mr Bush said he is aware that Government’s policy towards gay cruises has changed. “The Government’s policy has been to welcome everyone as long as they comply with our laws and heritage,? he said.

The opposition United Democratic Party (UDP) supports the non-discrimination policy once the gay tourists abide by local laws and customs.

“It’s a policy my party endorses but we must ensure that they recognize the Cayman Islands’ Christian principles,? he said. “Gays come here all the time by plane but it’s only when they’re coming by boat we seem to know when they’re coming.?

While many religious leaders declined to comment on the cruise, one pastor said the bible clearly speaks out against homosexuality. Pastor Ken Love of the Calgary Baptist Church said it is wrong biblically so his organisation is against it.

“It’s an ungodly life and the bible speaks out against it. We’re against it because we follow the teachings in the bible,? he said.

In 1998, residents strongly opposed the arrival here of the Leeward vessel in the Norwegian Cruise Line fleet, and amid the controversy the Government denied its entry. That refusal had drawn criticism from the British Government and other countries, which accused the Cayman Islands of discriminating against gays.

The then Tourism Minister, Tom Jefferson, sent a letter to the cruise line stating that the Government had refused the ship’s entry based on careful research and prior experience. “(The Government) could not count on the group to uphold the standards of appropriate behaviour expected of visitors to the Cayman Islands, so we regrettably could not offer our hospitality.?

The DOT response in 1998 noted that residents were “shocked to see men holding hands and kissing in public?, ten years earlier.

In July 2003, church groups and politicians vowed never again to allow a gay cruise to call at the Cayman Islands, when news broke of a gay cruise planned for Grand Cayman in January 2004. The cruise never materialised due to poor bookings, so the controversy died down after several months.


Atlantis Events is the largest gay and
lesbian cruise operator.
Photo: Atlantis Events
More than a year later, the event is back on the calendar and the numbers have swelled to almost four times that of the last gay cruise in1998.

According to the Atlantis Events, it is the largest gay and lesbian tour operator in the world, hosting 15,000 guests annually on its all-gay cruise, resort, and tour vacations.

“We’re the leaders in all-gay charters of fine cruise ships and first-class all-inclusive resorts,? the company said.


Kurt Tibbetts, Leader of
Government Business
In the meantime, the following statement was issued late Thursday by the Leader of Government Business, Kurt Tibbetts, on behalf of the Cayman Islands Government:

On Tuesday, 31 January 2006, a gay and lesbian cruise is scheduled to call on Grand Cayman. In response to the scheduled visit, the Government has reconfirmed the policy of non-discrimination first established by the Cayman Islands Government in 2001 and regards it as consistent with this jurisdiction’s recognition of human rights.

The Government confirms its support of a Bill of Rights being enshrined in our country’s proposed new constitution and notes that the formal adoption of such a Bill will make it unlawful to discriminate on the grounds of, inter alia, race, age, religion or sexual orientation.

The Government recognizes that it has a responsibility to not only respect our people and their wishes but that it also has an equally important responsibility to make and explain difficult and perhaps unpopular decisions. The Government will not shirk its duty in this regard.

Finally, it is important to note that every day, persons of all sexual orientation visit these Islands and live and work among us without incident. Our visitors are aware that the Cayman Islands is a God-fearing country with conservative values and we are confident that we can expect from all visitors the highest standards of decorum and conduct, just as we respect their right of choice and privacy.

A total of seven ships with 16,000 cruise passengers are scheduled to be in port on 31 January, and we expect that all visitors will enjoy their short stay here.


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As a follow-up on this subject, we would like to add the following site of interest.

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As a follow-up to this subject, we would like to submit the followng:


http://www.365gay.com/newscon04/11/112604jamaica.htm
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I have read a lot of articles about Jamaica and the treatment to gay visitors. Two years ago I was on the Golden Princess; there was a Jamaican Band that played by the pool. I meet one of the band players at the FOD meeting, after getting to know him over the week he told me that he was trying real hard to get hired on full time with Princess because his other band mates found out he was gay and if he returned to Jamaica with them he would be killed. I felt extremely bad for him and what he was going through. We are relatively safe here in America and I think a lot of us forget how lucky we are to live in American, It’s far from perfect but I know for me I have never feared for my life being gay. I think if you feel the need to boycott Jamaica then that’s your American right. I also suggest writing letters and making phone calls to your congress person and senator and the state department. Also talk to HRC.org
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I haven't been to Jamaica for at least 8 - 10 years though I have been on 30 some odd cruises since then, many to the Caribbean. I will chose itineraries that do not stop there. However, if a really super deal comes up going to JM, I might consider but would never get off the ship (for fear of my life) and in protest for the disregard for basic human rights going on there. Hopefully, I will not even be tempted until things change greatly!
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And if we still have any misunderstandings about the vicious homophobia present on the isle of Jamaica, here is confirmation from the Prime Minister of that nation himself.

http://www.365gay.com/Newscon08/05/052108jam.htm



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