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Old July 4th, 2003, 05:35 PM
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I have seen in a magazine some photos of the Zuiderdam and it seems to be a radical departure from the HAL that I know. She looks more like a Princess or Celebrity ship. It appears to have wilder colors, new age art, and a disco/nightclub. Hopefully, they do not play hip hop rap at this disco! I am afraid that HAL is evolving into their competitors. Last year, I went on the Maasdam and Holland America for the first time and was impressed with the class of the company and its shows. The line appears to attract a genteel brand of traveler, for the most part. I never heard the F-word and there were no buckets of beer out by the pool. By the way, I am a one of these 30 somethings that the cruiselines are attempting to attract by making changes.
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Old July 4th, 2003, 06:14 PM
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We are past the 30 something age bracket and cruised on Zuiderdam b-to-b in April. We loved the ship and had a great time. Can't wait to return in August.

The conversations about the new class of ships which will follow the Vista Class (of which Zuiderdam is the first of four). The new class will be smaller ships designed for longer cruising. Doesn't seem as though HAL has much intention of changing too much in terms of elegant ships.
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Old July 6th, 2003, 03:13 PM
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Hello sail7seas, thanks for your input. I am sure that the Zuiderdam is a very nice ship. To her credit is she carrys only 1,800 guest, not 3-4000 like the competors' new mega ships. Can you tell a difference between 1,200 and 1,800 guest? At 82,000 tonage and 950 feet long, does she feel big? Someday, it would be cool to travel on these new Vista ships. For now I am booked on the 55,000 ton 1,200 passenger,720 foot Statendam going to Alaska. My comfort level, so to speak.
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Old July 7th, 2003, 07:27 PM
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The Zuiderdam looks like the new ships of other lines but it is much louder inside than Celebrity, which is fairly conservative, except for the art. I think the Zuiderdam has some bits that seem Carnival like. But HAL has some bright colors on the Rotteram, Volendam, Zaandam, and Amsterdam, some areas of these ships aren't particularly subdued. Disco area is handled similarly on Celebrity and HAL. No dedicated disco and the upstairs lounge is used as a disco, or a part of it. HAL, now seems to have the dedicated disco with Vista class for the first time. I don't know Princess ships that well but I don't believe they have a dedicated disco.

Passenger space for Celebrity Millennium is, basis 2, 1950, on the 91,000 ton ship. A bit better on the Zuiderdam at 85,000 tons and 1825 or so pax, basis 2. I think Princess Coral Princess is aorund 90,000 tons and carries, basis 2, around 2000. So they are all have a similar passenger space ratio with HAL on top.

Even the 110,000 ton Grand Princess doesn't carry 3000, the RCI Voyager class does, but, it has good passenger space ratio. It is mall like, however.

I heard from friends and read that HAL is toning down the Oosterdam and scaled back the planned 5 Vista ships to 3. That's good, IMO, they should never have added these ships in the first place. I think 70,000 tons should be the maximum for HAL, that would be a few tons larger than the Rotterdam/Volendam class.
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Old July 8th, 2003, 12:05 AM
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Just an FYI - Princess does have dedicated Disco's on their ships...sorry! And they are not intrusive at all!

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There will vbe four Vista "sisters" ....original plans were for five.

We never stood in any line on Zuiderdam; the Lido Buffet area has been redesigned into stations and is very ample in size and layout to handle the number of pax it is serving.

In actuality, there is a larger amount of "space per pax" on the Vista ships than on the "S" sisters. When talk of this new class of ships began aboard the various HAL ships, all I kept hearing was "you won't feel crowded....plenty of space per pax". It was so oft repeated that I finally spoke up to one of the Officers who was regurgitating that same line that was getting very tired to my ears. When I finally said to him.....is that the best thing you can say about these new ships? If that is all that HAL has chosen to stress about them.....why are they being built in the first place. He got my point and finally added some useful info and descriptions.

We have sailed the "S" sisters a great many times and will continue to.
But, we shall also sail again on the Vista class.
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We just got back Sat. and our 20 something kids were complaining the music in the disco was old.They had a 70's night,80's night country night and never a hip-hop night which they would have loved.They still had a good time but the shows(except for the comedian"Bernie")was geared towards the over 60 crowd.We had 16 people most in the 40's.The ship was a little tame for us.
The decor reminded me of one of the older casinos in Atlantic City.Very bright slightly tacky.
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Old July 15th, 2003, 07:17 PM
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Must admit I am delighted to hear there was no "hip-hop". While I am sure there are some young 'uns who enjoy it; a hip-hop night on Hal......well, I just can't picture it.
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