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debmkay September 4th, 2003 04:45 PM

Smoking etiquette again
I know this subject is probably getting old but......we are first time HAL cruisers booked in a CAT A balcony room midship. I am concerned about myself being a cigarette smoker and my smoke wafting over to the other persons balcony and offending them. I am very conscious of non smokers and in no way do not want to do that, i know what allergies are like and would want the same courtesy extended to me if I were sensitive. Has anyone had that problem and does the Zaandam have plenty of well marked smoking areas on their ship? Docs are here!!!!!! Leaving Oct 18 YEA!!!!!!!

kathryn September 5th, 2003 01:20 PM

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HAL does not have non-smoking cabins designated so I would just ask the folks in cabins near you. Sometimes my alergies act up and smoke will bother me a lot. I appreciate someone asking if their smoke bothers them

Dizy September 5th, 2003 05:24 PM

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Agree - HAL does not have non-smoking cabins, however we are smokers, but NEVER smoke in our room. We do smoke on the verandah and no one has ever complained. My husband smokes cigars and you know what they smell like. PHEW!

I have rarely seen my neighbours, but if you feel you want them know that you are smokers, it would be nice to ask the people on either side of you if it would bother them.

Enjoy your cruise!

Post Edited (09-05-03 17:25)

SF Sharon September 5th, 2003 06:07 PM

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I appreciate smokers who are considerate. I think if your husband wants to be a considerate cigar smoker, he should smoke his cigar either at the topside Dolphin bar during the Cigars under the Stars hour(s) (i.e. not during the day while people are sitting around the pool reading or dining there) or at the aft deck railing (where the wake can be seen), while the ship is moving. I noticed two men (and there were only two I ever saw smoking a cigar on our cruise) who smoked at the aft railing, and that seemed a better alternative, as the smoke trailed mostly behind them when the ship was moving. I love to look out at the wake, but prefer to step aside and let cigar smokers indulge if that means they will in turn be considerate of my needs.

It would not be pleasant to inhale or smell heavy cigar smoke on my own balcony, and fortunately, I have not experienced that. The worst time to smell smoke (cigarette included) would, of course, be around breakfast time or when other dining is taking place on on the balcony. Where and when I have cruised, I seldom notice that my neighbors and I are on our balconies at the same time, anyway.

I commend you for asking in this forum and I also appreciate it when someone asks me if I mind if they smoke near me. The answer is usually, "yes, I do, thank you for asking," unless I am just getting ready to leave the area anyway.

debmkay September 6th, 2003 11:56 PM

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Thank you for the answers everyone. I think I will just introduce myself to my neighbors and ask them if the smoke is bothering them and if so I will smoke elsewhere. My DH does not smoke cigars except for a cruise of all things, thank goodness, that smell kills me and sometimes I feel sorry for the man, I make him go 3 miles out of the way on the ship where no one is around so they do not smell his cigar but honest to goodness I can't stand it. I know my cigarette smoke smells the same to some, but that is why I asked the question, I try to be a very considerate smoker, and you all have given me the answers. Happy cruising to you all!!!!!!!!!!!!!

SF Sharon September 7th, 2003 02:48 PM

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Thank you too, Deb, and Bon Voyage!

Gary Karschnick September 7th, 2003 07:33 PM

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Thank you for your considerstion. On our last Alaska cruise, our upwind neighbor chain smoked cigars throughout the trip denying us the use of our balcony. His comments to us were it's his balcony and he'll damn well smoke if he wants to.

Yikes! September 9th, 2003 10:59 PM

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Next time: Super Soaker!

GENE 7 September 10th, 2003 07:43 PM

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I remember in '87 when I sailed on the "OLD" Westerdam the right out side of this ship was designated smoking. It seemed to work out very well . However smoking was allowed allowed on the right side of the Lido dining and in the theater .This smoke waft all over. It's better today with the higher restrictions. It would benefit all if smoking on the out side areas was designated to the top deck and at the rear of the ship. I had to leave the swimming areas , and lower prominade areas because of the indifference of inconsiderate smokers.

On our last cruise on the Volendam I had to stuff towels under the door to my cabin to prevent the smoke from entering. Also I completely taped over the vent in the door.
For you considerate smokers ,I take my hat off to you!!!

When smoke comes through the ventlation system I have had to sleep on the outside deck until the front office gives me a differant cabin. It's funny when they say the ship is completely booked and they come to the realization I CANNOT sleep in my cabin they find a cabin without this smoke problem.

Some day I hope to see smoke coming out only from that big vertical thing on top!!!

Let us all be considerate of each other . One who gives no smoke, GENE 7

debmkay September 10th, 2003 08:08 PM

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I understand your concern about smoking on ships and not being able to enjoy all the amenities. your problem however seems a bit extreme. i would suggest to you that you sail on the Carnival Paradise which is a non smoking ship. Smokers have limited areas in which to smoke in the first place. No smoking in the dining areas, most public areas, I would think their cabin would be a private place they have paid for and should be able to enjoy a cigarette or cigar. I am not trying to slam you or berate you in anyway and I certainly try to be a considerate smoker but I do have rights too, (I think) I said in my previous post, I will try and introduce myself to my neighbor and if they are objectionable to smoke, i will smoke elsewhere instead of my balcony, everyone should be able to enjoy what they paid for. That said, i will GIVE UP my balcony, so my next door neighbor can enjoy theirs. If I know they are not "home" I will smoke. I think that is compromising and smokers and non smokers will be able to get along if they do that, just compromise.

Sas September 12th, 2003 08:00 PM

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I have been on four cruises and I am a heavy cigarette smoker. I always spend time on the balcony especially in the afternoon while I nude sunbath and have rarely ever seen anyone else next to me on their's. I wouldn't worry so much about bothering others, the ships provide plenty of areas to smoke. Besides all that I read all the comments the Non-smoker made, some people really are extreme aren't they, taping vents, towels under the door etc. My guess would be that people like that complain about everything not just smokers. But that's life teaching people it's ok to hate others for their indiferences. Live and let live, I paid for my cruise too and I do count!!!

I will always respect others who do not smoke but people who put towels under the door and tape vents will never be happy. I've seen them before (my niece is one of them) if they just see a cigarette even if the person is 20 feet away they'll complain. I really don't have time for people like that. They want you to respect them but refuse to reciprocate in the least.

Kerry Sasso

DGBunk September 12th, 2003 09:12 PM

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I have to agree with Sas. Some people do go to the extreme! (Taping vents and towels under the doors. I think thats a bit much. I think that those kinds of people will complain about everything!!!) My husband and I quit smoking 5 years ago, but we still feel that smokers have rights too!! And yes, they have also paid for their cruise and should be able to enjoy their cabin just as much as the other guy. (If they want to smoke and they have been considerate enough to ask people around them if the smoke bothers them, and are respecting of others not to smoke, if it does, should be commended!) There are not to many people like that left in this sometimes crazy world. I have asthma and I think that some people make more out of the smoke "bothering them" situation that necessary. Even with asthma, you won't find me standing next to a smoker, acting like I am ready to take my last breath! I think that the non smoker needs to remember that smokers have rights too and deserve respect just as much as the otehr guy!

Suki September 13th, 2003 09:33 PM

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Sas and DGBunk have said it well. We'll shortly be cruising in balcony category - Smokers, we intend to use our balcony and smoke if we wish in designated smoking areas. Can't see how balcony smoking can easily affect the neighours ........unless,,,,,,, you're standing at the rail and ash etc. blows in their direction.
Cigars and cigarettes are different. I personally enjoy the aroma of a good cigar.

It is of course important to dispose of butts in a good ashtray on the balcony - it would annoy me greatly if somone elses butt landed on my balcony!

In my opinion HAL ships provide quite adequate non-smoking area. That the dining rooms are all smoke free is a great improvement - have never had much patience with folks who can't get through a meal without lighting up.

On our last cruise I came out of the cabin one night and hesitated for a moment with the door partly open - a non-smoker as it turned out (probably reformed) was passing by - she screwed up her face and said "YOU SMOKE!" "Yes" I replied, "does it bother you? " "It's disgusting!" was her reply. "Which cabin are you in?" I asked, thinking she was next door or across the hall maybe. Her reply, with a 'hrmph'... "I'm not on this deck but it would bother me if I was."

Rightly or wrongly, we don't ask permission to smoke on our balcony and have never been complained about.

SF Sharon September 19th, 2003 11:38 PM

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I appreciate the comments of the smokers who posted here, mostly in the first posts, who care and ask their neighbors if they mind the smoke.

I am a very considerate non-smoker to to those who smoke, and you can read my earlier message to see how I would behave. However, I am concerned by the comments of more recent posters about their attitude about how they intend to smoke on their balconies as they choose, at any time, no matter what. I get the impression that those of you who made those comments would not care if someone were out there and bothered by heavy and continuous smoking or the smell of a cigar, even if they were in the middle of a meal on their balcony. I hope I misinterpreted your comments. Personally, I find cigar smoke repugnant, but I am not likely to argue with you about it, unless I am eating a meal. Do know, though, that if you are inconsiderate (not saying you will be), but if you feel that it is your balcony and you can do what you want and what your neighbor feels is unimportant, then I would appreciate if if you would consider sailing on another cruise line where there are less considerate people sailing. You don't seem to fit the profile of the very considerate people, smokers and non-smokers alike, that I noticed on a recent Veendam sailing.

Most cruiselines do not have a policy regarding balcony smoking, and I wish that they might consider something along the lines of port ok starboard not or vice-versa. I realize though, that some people are adamant about booking a cabin on a particular side (view of the coast, sunrise, sunset, etc.) so that might be difficult.

I wish the cruiselines would build an all-smoking, all-the-time ship so that non-smokers would be able to say "See, you have this all smoking ship you can sail, so leave us alone."
just as many smokers try to get all the non-smokers to sail the Carnival Paradise which is not a legitmate option for people who want to sail Holland America, or Princess, or maybe even Royal Caribbean.

The Carnival Paradise would be paradise to me if it were not a Carnival ship and if it were not a ship with a multi-generational focus and itinerary. Maybe someone ought to consider a Holland America ship (or Princess) that is totally non-smoking... One of the "S-class" ships or newer, definitely NOT the Noordam.

I might even consider taking a Carnival cruise if they would put one of their best and newer ships into the "non-smoking" category. Aside from that, I trust that most smokers are going to be considerate, just as the earlier posters here were.

Would anyone else be interested?

sail7seas September 20th, 2003 11:05 AM

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Seeing as Carnival Paradise is the only non-smoking ship Carnival built, it may be possible to conclude there is not a big demand for more of the same.

Some have said the casino makes less money, the bars bring in less and tipping is lower.

If Paradise were a huge success, surely Carnival (and other cruiselines) would have built more such ships.

Smokers have rights; non-smokers have rights. They co-exist on land; why is it so difficult to co-exist at sea?

jeep Stockfleth September 28th, 2003 12:10 PM

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Both my husband and I smoke. We have never had a problem with neighbors complaining. We use the smoking areas at all times. Our last cruise was on the Zuiderdam, and our S suite was next to the glass elevtator so we only had neigbors on one side. They seldom used their veranda and we don't feel it is necessary to ask if they mind smoking.

SF Sharon October 21st, 2003 07:47 PM

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"If Paradise were a huge success, surely Carnival (and other cruiselines) would have built more such ships."

A premium cruise line that bases a nice, relatively new, desirable ship with excellent cuisine and service that is (at least occasionally) totally non-smoking out of the San Francisco Bay Area or Los Angeles or San Diego has a very good chance of success, in my opinion.

I have no interest in booking a Caribbean cruise with any line, let alone Carnival, but would be happy to cruise frequently from California on a fine ship that has at least very restrictive smoking.

One good ship. That's all. One.

Am I going to get flamed for this?

wendyandbarry October 22nd, 2003 09:39 AM

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SF Sharon
Not out of Cal, but smoking rules are just right, is the new Oceania Cruise line.

"1. What is the smoking policy of Oceania Cruises?
For the comfort and safety of our guests smoking is permitted only in designated areas. These will be a small section of the Horizons Bar and a small section on the Pool Deck. Smoking is not permitted in the staterooms, public room, verandas or in any of the dining areas. Cigar and pipe smoking will not be allowed anywhere indoors. "


Jkm7 October 22nd, 2003 04:28 PM

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So why don't they simply come out of their fuzziness and state boldly and honestly that they are a "no smoking cruiseline". It is their cruiseline and can do what they wish, but for all intents and purposes, they are a no smoking permitted cruiseline and should be honest about it.

Sure don't hear much about them. I haven't heard of one cruiser on the boards mention they have a cruise booked with them. Seems they could head the way of Rennaissance??

mac October 23rd, 2003 05:02 PM

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My wife and I both smoke and feel we are considerate of non-smokers. We are limited
to where we can smoke so as not to offend the non smoker. Yet the non smokers feel it is our absolute right to pay the taxes they do not pay and be put in situations of their choosing, telling us where when and how we can smoke! I fail to see how someone on a balcony could be offended, it is usually open air as well as windy and the smoke is dispersed very quickly. The balcony is usually closed on the sides so that the smoke does not drift over in waves. We carry room deodorant and spray all of the time...No one asked me if I mind if they drink, or wear terrible perfume! What is this leading to, are the non smokers now going to start up the campaign so that the cruise lines will all become non smoking? If so, we will spend our money some place else and leave all the non smokers to themselves. But, what then will they find to complain about?

marycruiser October 24th, 2003 09:30 AM

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Mac - thank you SO MUCH for mentioning the offensive perfume! I have shared a dinner table for an entire week with people who wear so much perfume/cologne it makes my eyes water. Waiting in the photo line before dinner was also trying, with all the conflicting odors in close quarters. People wouldn't dream of lighting a cigarette in those settings. I think they go a little crazy in the duty free shops and then compete against each other to show off their new scents. Don't people realize that when they douse themselves with the stuff that it affects everyone around them? And it's not just temporary, like a five minute cigarette!

wendyandbarry October 24th, 2003 11:11 AM

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Mac, I read about this test on a different board to see how well you like to smoke. All you have to do is go sit in your car, with the windows up, and smoke a pack of Cig's, lighting one on the end of other one, if you can stand this, there is no chance for you, and if you can Not then there is still hope for you.

I for one would not like to see people's right to smoke taken away, and if they must smoke then there should be at least one spot out on the back deck where this can be done, or a enclosed glass room like at the airports, so the smoke will not affect anyone else, and I would think this should be ok with all Considerate Smokers if that is what they really are.


bjcurrie October 24th, 2003 11:42 AM

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Five minute cigarette temporary??? I lost my wife to lung cancer a few years back and I witnessed many poor souls, Katy included, in the throws of their death rattle as their ability to breath ceased. If you think a five minute cigarette is a temporary thing I suggest you visit your local hospital's cancer ward....

marycruiser October 24th, 2003 12:47 PM

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I meant that a cigarette takes five minutes to smoke, as opposed to a room full of perfume, which clings to the skin for hours. And you don't need to lecture me on the tragedies of cancer; I lost my NON-SMOKING 44-year old sister to lung cancer last year, so I am well aware of the toll it takes on both ends.

mac October 24th, 2003 09:34 PM

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I agree with MaryCruiser do not lecture us....You can go to that same hospital and visit
the ward where the alcoholics are as well. As far as I know smoking is still legal. We do not need to have other people tell us how to live our lives. We all make choices and
we are all responsible for our choices. PLEASE do not "one up" us , you are no better or worse. You as well have your faults. I have never in all my 60 years of life seen a perfect person. Not even close. So Please don't patronize us with your "better than tho" attitude. I watched both of my parents die a long and terrible deaths neither due to lung cancer. I can not understand why people feel the need to tell others how to live
their lives, what gives you that right...If we are not in your face then leave us alone. On every single one of my 24 cruises I have seen the folks who do not smoke sit in the areas where smoking is allowed and complain about the smoking. They have the whole other side of the ship to go to but they decide to sit in the smoking section! Why?

bjcurrie October 25th, 2003 12:33 PM

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Wow, defensive aren't we?

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