Dear other Cruisers: Not only does Holland America make people sick - but they have the worst customer service in the industry. Avoid them at all possible cost. We were lied to, beaten up mentally and treated like criminals - for no reason whatsoever.
My television set did not work - so my mother-inlaw called help. They came and tried to fix it but we were behind a mountain - so no fixing it. The next day - they accused me of lewd behavior towards (i was in a robe) the person who came in the room??? It was a total and stupid lie - because I had complained about their lying about our room when they sold it to us - the room was too small for 4 people (lies) and my son had to sleep on the deck (I have pictures.)
This was because they lied and said a curtain divided the room and it did not. This was the worst $15,000 I ever spent in my whole life. I am warning people to stay away from this company. When I went to complain to the Captain - I was toid I would be arrested and they had handled the problem/comlaint about me with my husand. It was so weird it ruined my trip - I felt like a criminal and it was done on purpose to shame me. They were very much like NAZI's. I beg you do not give this company a penny of your money. They are eviul, nasty, cruel and will make you ill. Since this happened they have had many cruises full of sick people - that is there now and future karma - avoid, avoid. I am happy to tell anyone more about my cruise from hell. Sincerely, Jean
She has another thread started- The Ryndam- right on this page just a couple threads down from here. Another diatribe of complaints, but interestingly doesn't mention the 'problems' that are listed on this thread, just more and different ones. She's either a troll or more likely off her meds. Notice all these things were done to her on purpose, everyone was lying about her and to her, etc.
I can't believe there is any truth to this post. Our HAL cruise could not have been more perfect. In fact, one of our friends asked us if there was anything we wish were different or better, or any problems at all, and we honestly could not think of a thing! Last week's cruise on Maasdam (our first cruise) was absolutely glorious, and we are already planning another HAL cruise. If anyone reading Jean's post is having doubts about HAL because of what she said, I urge you to weigh her outlandish post with the many many other posts here from tremendously satisfied travellers.
Guess I've just been lucky in my 10+ HAL cruises! Never been threatened, insulted, accused of anything other than maybe overeating, nor lewd behavior (unless you count that one night I thought I was Michelle Pfeiffer in "The Fabulous Baker Boys" and remember slinking on the grand piano in the Piano Bar for some photo ops!).
Well, guess I'll just have to trust my gut instinct and not cancel my next HAL cruise!
I urge you not to be negative towards people who post here just because they say negative things. You are calling her a "troll" and saying her post is a "crock" but I see no reason why a person would say these things unless there was a grain of truth to what she was saying.
Granted - it is easy to feel the emotion behind her words, and it is obvious she is expressing her feelings more than the facts. It is also obviously her side of the story and not Holland America's. But people ARE allowed to post such messages here without being called names or insinuating they are lying.
We strive NOT to censor people here, and we do not pull posts just because they are negative about the cruise industry. By the same token, it isn't right to "censor" by intimidation.
I expect this person has a legitimate gripe about something and some strange things did occur on this trip between her and management. Does it make sense that a woman would come to a public forum and make up a story that she was accused of lewd behavior? No, it doesn't.
I agree with you, that on a vacation one should roll with a few punches and not expect perfection. I have seen people ruin very expensive vacations simply because they spent so much time focusing on what was wrong instead of what was right.
I don't know this person, but I feel sorry for anyone who spends a lot of money and has a bad experience. Let's not make it worse by ridiculing her. Rather, I encourage you all to draw her out to try to ascertain what really happened. The truth should be the goal here.
By the way - I worked aboard HAL ships for 9 months, and the service was usually exemplary, but I have been on subsequent HAL cruises where I did feel the staff was not good with English at all, especially in the dining room. This is typical when cruise lines expand their fleets quickly (and hence is not a problem limited to Holland America). You can't staff every new ship with experienced staff.
Let me get this straight. It is quite reasonable to come on this board to make outlandish and unbelievable charges against the cruise line that is always voted in the top 5 by most polls. Charges that are so rIdiculous that no rational person could possibly believe them. But we who dispute those charges are out of line.....what a CROCK!
I'm thinking Paul's post was, in fairness to all involved here, giving someone the benefit of the doubt. He did not say he believed nor disbelieved the posters message, merely that this forum should be the perfect venue to air such issues.
Enjoy your future cruises on another cruise line. Some of us passengers enjoy the level of service on HAL.
Just remember that you are on VACATION, **** happens.........that is a fact of life. slow down and enjoy the change of environment and go with the flow!!!
P.S. you cannot expect TV service when you are between mountains. Your TV service on the ship is coming in thru a satelitte signal which is blocked by the mountains. If you want to watch TV so badly, STAY HOME!!
"Let me get this straight. It is quite reasonable to come on this board to make outlandish and unbelievable charges against the cruise line that is always voted in the top 5 by most polls. Charges that are so rIdiculous that no rational person could possibly believe them. But we who dispute those charges are out of line.....what a CROCK!"
I did not say you could not dispute what the poster says. I said you should refrain from name-calling.
Personally, I don't believe a person would come here and make "outlandish and unbelievable charges" for no reason. Something happened there. Do I think the message is skewed and the poster is feeling some buyer's remorse? absolutely.
But, we encourage debate and even controversy. Intimidating people who post messages, even hugely negative ones, doesn't help promote debate - it is intimidation.
If you are "pro-Holland America" and there is nothing wrong with that, then I encourage you to countermand what the negative post alleges. But I don't encourage anyone to personally attack the person who wrote the post, it just isn't necessary nor does it do anything to refute the allegations of the post.
Refrain from name calling???? I will say no more than to quote the sweet Miss Jean. This message board has become a bore and there is no real information here so this is just the impedence I needed to go elsewhere....
"They are eviul, nasty, cruel and will make you ill. Since this happened they have had many cruises full of sick people - that is there now and future karma - avoid, avoid. "
I do believe that something bad has happened. We all have been is such situations, when we are so sure of our stance. I know, on my own part, my prejudices victimize me perhaps to lash out.There has been a misunderstanding between this person and the line.When this happens I wait until I have a clear head and a clerarer understanding of just what happened. I verify my stance with friends and strangers, and if they are in accord, I oftentimes shall stand my ground. There have been times,however, when I have had to swallow my pride and my anger and admit that I was mistaken, or at least overreacted, which is most often the case. I have traveled on many ships and have occasionally"gone overboard" over something trival. I think this person is best served to truly re-evaluate the situation- and If she truly feels mistreated ---notify management. I am certain it will be rectified.
Best to all
I seriously doubt we shall hear another word from the original poster.
Seems to be a personal vendetta going on and seeing as she said she would explain what her "gripes" were, if she truly thought she had been wronged, we would have heard the rest of the story by now....at least the rest of the story from her vantage point.
For anyone to come to any board and write such outlandish things as a cruiseline will make you sick and then disappear, tells a great deal about the poster.
I must say I admire your presence of mind, to be take a deep breath and review what happened with friends and come to a conclusion about the events after taking all the emotions out of it. I wish all people were capable of doing that.
I get out of line myself sometimes, too. Just last night my girlfriend told me I was rude to a restaurant manager because I told her she wasn't handling a service problem fast enough - specifically a drink had been served to my girlfriend with sour milk and the waiter was not checking up on us to see if we needed anything. We asked a busboy to get our waiter but he never showed up, so we called over the manager.
The manager sat down at the table with us and started chatting instead of handling the problem (she was very touchy-feely, even holding my hand). I said, "you're a nice person, but you should already be gone and handling this problem."
I guess the bottom line is that with cruising we have extremely high expectations for excellent service. I don't think you get service anywhere like you get it on a cruise ship. Maybe we are spoiled by that for everything else, like local restaurants. And that means I have to hold my expectations in check once in awhile and remember that not everyone has experienced cruise-style levels of service.
I can understand it, but that also could be a big part of the buyer's remorse. Maybe she used an agency that charges top dollar and nickel and dimed her. You add in everything, not just air, but new clothes, souvenirs, shore tours, gambling and drinks. Then I can see 4 people spending that much.