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Old March 31st, 2005, 03:05 PM
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I just got a call and had to move 4 bookings from this I don't know who chartered this but if you are on this ship and are a part of this group you might want to contact your TA to find out what is being done.

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Old April 2nd, 2005, 02:18 PM
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Hi..
Ths group who has this ship chartered is Olivia. It is a lesbian travel company. We have been booked thru them for this sailing since sept 2004. I have seen many postings about people being bumped on another cruise board. I really have no idea why HAL doesn't remove availabilty when they charter a ship. I would be very upset if I had to change my dates once I booked. Hal needs to do a better job in this area.
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Old April 4th, 2005, 07:05 PM
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ousoonerfan, I think you are out of bounds on your posting !!!

The point is, HAL should do a better job in dealing with charter cruises REGARDLESS of who buys out the boat
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Old April 5th, 2005, 01:22 AM
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Thank you Venice! You were right on the mark as far as it not pertaining to the topic. I have several things to say in responce but it truly does not deserve one.
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Old April 6th, 2005, 10:23 AM
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as my mother use to say "it's not what you say, it's how you say it"..I understand both sides of the coin, but suggest ousoonerfantexas, there was a better way to say it..

What both sides do support and perhaps it would be a great question for another thread is

"when cruise lines are approached for chartering by a group, what is the decision making process that they go thru ?.. With more and more cruise ships being sold out very far in advance, how does the line come up with what ship is pulled from service and what about the passengers that have already booked and paid for their cruise on that ship ?

I think I would be very upset if I got a call from a cruise line that stated that they wanted to move me because the ship had been chartered by another group(regarddless of who the group is)! Of course the only exception to that is if it was Victoria Secret and they were doing a photo shoot for the week in conjunction with the Sports Illustrated swim suit models. I think I would gladly go on that cruise without my GF (smile)
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Old April 6th, 2005, 12:15 PM
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Here is another thing these people that were already booked on this cruise maybe wanted to stay and could care less what type of group was booked on it. But they were not given a choice. I wanted to inform the public they needed to find another cruise to go on. It was uncalled for to say this was chartered by a G&L company when these people were given no option as to if they still wanted to cruise and are only given a 50.00 credit by HAL if they have to change flights when the airlines normally charge 100.00. Had there been some people booked through a G&L company then some large church group chartered the ship and these G&L couples were booted off the same would be uncalled for.

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The Oosterdam is a beautiful ship! And the food is fabulous! To Kellie and Eunie I hope you and your group have the time of your lives!!!!
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Old April 6th, 2005, 01:45 PM
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Ok, if you didn't want to know who booked the ship as a charter then I apoligize for providing you with information. This really cracks me up to be honest. If you re-read what I wrote , I was saying that I also would be very upset and HAL should remove the dates from availability rather than to sell to people who will not step foot on the ship on the dates they booked. I still feel this way and when this topic came up on another cruise board I read, people were up in arms about HAL treated them as far as minimal compensation. But what makes me so upset is the nasty and un-necessary coments on our lives and the way we live. Texas, I sincerely hope that your children don't ever do anything that is not in your master plan and let you down and do anything immoral ever. I don't know where you come from with that remak. It is people like you who make us not want to travel with you. but we are planning to go on a traditional cruise soon as we hear it's not to common to have a problem enjoying ourselves. Fisch, thank you so much..we are really looking foreward to this trip!!!!
good food,,yummmm..do they have late night buffets???
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Old April 6th, 2005, 03:46 PM
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You don't need to apoligize for anything...You are cracking me up so much because someday life will hit you right in between the eyeballs and realize not everyone thinks like you do....
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Old April 6th, 2005, 04:18 PM
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Kellie and Eunie,

There are late night buffets on the Oosterdam. Since my family and I had the 8:30 dinner seating we found that by the time we were done eating we were full for the night so I personally didn't go to any of the late night buffets. Oh wait, maybe a couple of times for some dessert. Then of course there's the Dessert Extravaganza which was held one day while we were at sea. Chocolate and more chocolate as well as other sweets were served. Not to be missed.

Does the ship plan a Halloween party for an Oct. 29 cruise? That happens to be one of my favorite holidays.

If you have any other questions I would be happy to answer any of them. I'm leaving on Sunday NCL Dawn out of NYC. We thought the convenience of no flight would be nice for a change. Have you ever been on the Dawn?
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Old April 6th, 2005, 05:04 PM
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Fisch...
Thanks so much for the info. To be honest, we have only been on 1 other cruise which was also HAL Statendam 14 months ago. We are so new to cruising. Last time ,we did the earlier seating and it worked out great for us. Our upcoming trip is a charter and the travel company is indeed having a Halloween thing. We already have been trying to think of something easy to pack for the night. We can't wait to go!!
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Old April 6th, 2005, 06:07 PM
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I haven't been on the Osterdam but was on the Zuiderdam and I think your ship also has a hydro therapy pool in the spa which is great if you have back problems
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Getting back to the Oosterdam and its wonderfulness, yes indeed venice, they have a wonderful spa with hydrotherapy pool which is great whether you have back problems or not. The spa offers specials when they are in port. I took advantage of one when we were in Ocho Rios. I spent the morning at the beach and then went back to the ship for my 2:00 appt. The woman, Krea, from Saskatchewan (sp?) was fabulous. This was a $120.00 service for $60.00. If you're interested in spa services look out for these. I don't do nails and that sort of thing but they offer those too.
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All I was saying is HAL should of given the 4 I was talking a choice instead it's you're not gay so off you go. Now me personally I wouldn't want to be on that ship. Kelly turned this into the topic it became.

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Old April 12th, 2005, 06:32 PM
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this is absolutely ridiculous! the issue is that HAL bumped some unsuspecting people who had made reservations in favor of a group. any group. sexual orientation has nothing to do with the issue. believe me, i would be angry with HAL, too; i can't just 'move' my vacation plans at the behest of a cruise line. and as far as the gay thing goes, theirs is an inborn orientation, not a chosen life style. and i have seen some pretty disgusting things from straight passengers of all ages and descriptions. and some very engaging behavior from gays. get over it 'sooner' rather than later. what makes anyone think gays are more likely to cause a scene in a hot tub than straights.
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Old April 12th, 2005, 08:07 PM
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I think the real argument isn't on whether homosexuality is right or wrong (I won't get started here), but that if a heterosexual group, or a white power group decided they wanted to charter a ship, all types of activists would get involved and protest like crazy. If you're going to venture out and charter specific groups, open it up to all of them.....I think chartering a G/L group is risky and could be very offensive to some cruisers.
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I normally would not post when these posts gets into heated debates but I feel I must. I am gay and its just sad to see all of this. I am also a travel agent and I have had people tell me to my face (because they usually dont realize I am gay) that they would not go to a certain destination because of gay people. And I have sat with a client and she said, to my face, that she wouldnt go on a certain ship because the week before it was charted to a gay group. In her words: " I would have to clean the cabin toliet". These things people say hurt. You CANT catch homosexuality! And to clear another thing up gay people DO NOT choose the way we feel. Since I was 6, 7 or 8 I knew I liked men! PERIOD! Just like many others knew they liked the opposite sex. Why is it so damn hard for people to get this. I am not a side show freak. I am not immoral. I dont sleep around. But because I love a person of the same sex I am some sort of freak. I am in a monogomus loving relationship but have to feel ashamed while some heterosexual couples get divorced left and right. I can just go on and on. I dont want people to understand me because I dont want to understand everyone else. I DONT understand how or why people are attracted to the opposite sex. I never had that attraction! I never felt those feelings. And yes I had girlfriends! But it I had them in high school/college because i thought I looked "normal" whatever that means. I and all other gay people just want to be treated with respect.

So just everyone stop this name calling. For all those who think my and other gay peoples life is stupid, freaky, a porn show of some sort, or immoral you have every right to feel the way you do just like I have a right to think you are absolutely wrong. But just respect gay people and all types of people. You may not agree but just have respect. We dont know why people are gay. Some people think we are born like this, some feel its environment. But I will tell you this I never knew another gay man until I was 22. So I know I was never exposed to homosexuality as a child or teen. I didnt even know what gay meant until I was 15 or so. But I knew I liked men way before that. I feel I was born this way. This is me I am gay and I cant change that. And despite me being gay I am an active Catholic Christian person so I definitly have not lost God. Because I know many people think that another reason for being gay.

Let's all be happy. Life is so short and we should just watch out for one another.

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Jeeez, what an awful string this is, not sure how I found it.

Interesting though, a gay group of BEARS (about 200) was bumped off this cruise for the charter. They stayed with the ship but moved to another date.

Whats a bear? Hahahaha do some research.....
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It's not a common occuranace, but occassionally the cruise lines do sell "full ship" charters, and will bump previously booked passengers, and offer them compensation.

They caculate the profit from a charter to be higher than the cost of the compensation they have to offer.

Turning this thread into a discussion of morals, along with personal attacks, will not be tolerated.

Many special interest groups do full ship charters.... large corporations, church groups, celebrities etc. It makes no difference at all who booked the ship. The discussion would probably be better served by talking about what compensation was, or should be, offered in similar circumstances.

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Okay, this has stopped right now people. The ship was chartered by a private group, it happens and happens on all lines and it is handled just in this manner so get ovedr it. The group happens to be a gay/lesbian group, so what. It could have been the 700 club, Shriners, NASCAR, NFL, or people with one left eye, it doesn't matter and the group sould not comcern you unless you wish to go. There is also no reason you can't go if you wish, just book through Olivia. It's a legit and huge TA. They don't make you sign any papers proving you are gay. I am really sorry for those folks whose plans were interupted and hopefully HAL will provide some compensation to those that had already booked and were bumped. As I said, it has happened before and will happen again.
As for this gay being made and you are going to hell and gays are horrible and sinful people, bull$$$t! I know many gay people and we have a fairly good number that are our good friends and happen to be gay. We didn't seek them out because they were gay, nor did we shun them because they were gay, they just are. Truth be known there are many more gay folks around than you realize and even much more than those that comdemn them think. Many of them probably have friends and aquantices that are gay and they don't realize it. Well, maybe they think they are friends but with their judgemential attitude I don't understand how they could tolerate them. Being gay is not a disease or mental condition or choice, it is a biological fact and have nothing to do with their morals. NYCruiser has stated it very well and there will be no more insults either way on this matter from either side. It's a fact of life and it isn't going to change, 'even iffin he gets hisself a good woman to straighted him out'. God what a lame line that one is!
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It could have been the 700 club, Shriners, NASCAR, NFL, or people with one left eye, it doesn't matter and the group sould not comcern you unless you wish to go.

I agree with that so that is why I felt is was uncalled for Kelly to say this has been chartered to a G&L company. That is why I never asked who chartered the ship.

As far as all this gay bashing goes I am not going to listen to someone say they were born gay because it is nothing but a lie that they don't have scientific proof to back it up.

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You asked, she told you. End of story. As for your opinions, you are entitled to them. Others are just as entitled to theirs. You are not entitled to state as a fact something that is widely known to be false. Just as some people are entitled to believe that the world is flat, others should not be belittled because they and science says it is round. Again, enough. Just respect others.
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You know what? It is indeed a fact that I did tell you who chartered this ship and I have no regrets about that. I did nothing wrong with mentioning that I was aware because I am booked with my wonderful and loving partner. Also, if you look at my original responce, I mentioned that I had heard about people getting moved by HAL on another cruise message board a few months ago. I also mentioned that as much as I did enjoy my 1 and only cuise thus far which was also on HAL and yes chartered thru Olivia, I feel HAL is wrong in keeping the ship open to anyone who is not booking thru Olivia. I mean gay..straight...black..white...once I book a trip..I don't want to have to make a date change for a rather small compensation. I have contacted HAL a couple of months ago and told them that this is really unprofessional to do this time and time again. HAL had those dates open for 6 months after Olivia had it open for their bookings only. That seems to me to be unacceptable. On this other board I read, there were a few people who had already made flight reservations. Anyway, I hope everyone has great fun and good times with whomever you cruise with.
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This is the Holland America cruise line message board. Please keep the discussions to cruising. Off topic conversations of this nature are not helpful to anyone, and certainly out of place on this message board.

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This is the Holland America cruise line message board. Please keep the discussions to cruising. Off topic conversations of this nature are not helpful to anyone, and certainly out of place on this message board.

Then delete all the other responses I just wanted people to know that this cruise was now chartered. Nobody needed to respond.

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Actually the response to the original post was informative and appropriate. Somone knew what group chartered the ship, and they happened to be booked on it.

It also informed people who may have been booked on the cruise and then cancelled because of the charter, how they might be able to rebook the same cruise if they wanted to. Useful information.

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Welcome back Kuki. I've read your holiday posting and the photo's concerning Half Moon Cay (one of my favorite destinations)were especially nice.

On the subject at hand, I would like to thank Kuki for taking the time to provide feedback on the issue of confirmed bookings cancelled by charters by introducing an objective assessment into what has become a somewhat fractious debate. As someone who has been crusing for over 30 years I always enjoy reading these message boards as they provide unique insight into cruising industry. Let's shake hands and move on.
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I think the College of Cardinals should charter a ship and eat, drink and be merry while choosing a new Pope.

If I had been bumped from that cruise, I'd expect some serious compensation - like the first tender into heaven or some major onboard credit.

Let it go, people - there's enough garbage going on right now in the world and we're still looking at the little picture - not the big one.

Remind me again - what's the percentage of the world's population who will ever get to go on one cruise? Oh yeah, it's really small. We're all lucky. Remember that.
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