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Old July 29th, 2005, 10:57 AM
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We'll be taking our first cruise with HAL in May 2006. I understand HAL is a bit more conservative than some other lines we've been on, and tends to have an older crowd. We have no problems with that, and a looking forward to a different cruise experience than what we've had on Celebrity, RCI and NCL.

My question is, does HAL permit casual wear on non-formal nights, or is it always expected that the man will wear a coat at dinner? I'm not talking casual in the sense of jeans and baseball caps. I'm talking casual in the sense of Dockers and open-collar Polo shirts, for example.

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Old July 29th, 2005, 12:59 PM
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Dockers and open-collar Polo shirts are fine for Casual nights.

The only night they "requres" a jacket is on Informal (jacket - no tie) and formal.

The daily program each day will tell you what the dress for that evening will be. Sometimes on the first day's daily program, it will list the dress for every night.

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Old July 29th, 2005, 01:51 PM
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There are typically 2 modes of dress in addition to formal. Informal which is defined to include a jacket (tie optional) for men and casual which is jacketless. See excerpt from website:

Evening dress falls into three distinct categories. Each night a daily program will be delivered to your stateroom announcing the suggested dress for the following evening. Comfortable, relaxed clothing is fine for evenings designated as casual; however, T-shirts, jeans, swimsuits, tank tops and shorts are not allowed in the dining room, Lido restaurant, or public areas during the evening hours. During informal nights, dresses or pantsuits for women and jackets (tie optional) for men are standard.

On festive formal evenings, women usually wear cocktail dresses or gowns and men usually wear business suits or tuxedos. There are approximately two formal nights per week. (Gentlemen: Although business suits or tuxedos are suggested attire for formal evenings, they are certainly not required. You are welcome to wear a jacket and tie on formal nights.)
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Old July 30th, 2005, 07:35 AM
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also, there are a LOT of folks who dress 'casual' on 'informal night.' i sense that 'informal night' is kind of in limbo, especially with air line luggage limitations and so forth. but i would certainly plan to dress appropriately for formal evenings.
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Informal night last week on our cruise was no different than casuel from what I saw. I had my boys were a cotten short sleve collar shirt rather than a polo shirt and they were fine. I did not see a lot of jackets.We were only stopped going in the dinning room once for lunch you need short sleve shirts,not sleveless.No big deal we went and changed and came back lunch was great in the dinning room! Was sorry we only did that once.
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Old August 12th, 2005, 01:41 AM
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Also, the difference I notice between HAL and some of the other lines is that formal means formal for the duration of the evening. In other words, if you wish to remain on any of the public decks (other than Lido), you must remain in your formal attire for the evening. Other lines allow you to dress formal for dinner, and then change into something more comfortable for the rest of the evening.

Of course, I haven't sailed HAL since last August (2004), so perhaps this rule may have changed?

Also, I could be wrong, but it seems to me that just how strictly these rules are enforced depends upon the ship and the itinerary. The Zuiderdam is primarily a ship geared to families sailing a Caribbean itinerary. The rules are less strictly enforced there. However, if you are sailing, say the Rotterdam on a Panama Canal cruise, formal dress is taken much more seriously there.

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Old August 12th, 2005, 08:31 AM
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"you must remain in your formal attire for the evening."

They ask you to compliment your fellow guests by remaining in your formal clothes for the evening after dinner but they certainly do not say that you MUST or do they demand that you do.

. No one is going to come up to you and reprimand you and tell you to go change back to your formal wear. Lots of people, especially early diners, change to go to the show or the Casino.

Gone are the "old" days when men were not allowed into the public areas without a jacket after 5pm. There was no such thing as "casual" nights back then.
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Old August 12th, 2005, 10:45 AM
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We sailed on HAL Statendam in May and our experience with the dress code in the dining room was far different than what we had expected based on what we had heard about HAL and also what we had experienced on previous cruises on RCCL or CCL. We dressed up for our first formal night - no tux, no formal floor length gowns, but we did the dressy clothes, high heels, sports coats, ties, etc. We were at a table for ten. One of our tablemates was in denim, one was in sweats and the others were in casual wear - very casual wear. Well, needless to say, we felt completely out of place at our table. Don't get me wrong - lots of other people were dressed to the nines - we saw more tuxes than we were used to seeing. But, what we learned from this was that you can really wear what ever you feel like. People are going to do whatever they want, regardless of what the cruiseline is trying to offer to their passengers. But people do need to be conscious of their fellow passengers, the atmosphere that the cruiseline is trying to offer to their passengers in the dining room, and what fellow passengers expect from each other. It seems that any more, people are overly determined to buck the rules, regardless of how that may impact on others. I will have to look at advice on formal dress now more with a jaded eye than I used to.
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Old August 12th, 2005, 11:51 AM
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I appreciate everyone's comments. You were all most helpful.

From what I've gathered on these posts, dress code is a very hot issue with strong feelings on both sides. I agree you see everything these days. At first I sort of leaned to the philosophy that it's my vacation and I'll wear what I want. But on our last cruise I saw way more baseball caps in the theatre on formal night than I'd like to remember. It was an NCL cruise, which is always "optional formal", but you know, it really detracted from the specialness that is formal night. Something just didn't feel right when we all stood in line to greet the captain and senior officers (all in their dress uniforms) and so many of us in shirt sleeves and casual dresses. How you dress really does effect the other passengers and crew, IMO. Going forward, DH and I will always be dressed appropriately on our cruises. And if we are seated with others who buck the rules, so be it. We'll know we did the right thing and have no reason to feel out of place. Hopefully, if enough people have that attitude, it'll be the ones in denim and sweats who'll feel out of place, and that's how it should be.





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Seeing those stupid basball caps, or any other male head coverng for that matter, ANYWHERE indoors just makes my blood boil - I'm greatly tempted to walk around knocking them off.

Such behaviour will not ruin my cruise but I'd have no qualms about requesting a table mate to please remove the headgear during dinner. I hasten to add (before someone jumps on me) that headgear worn with a religious purpose is totally different.
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Suki - we used to travel with a group and there was one older gentleman who wore a hat his first name on it - had a new one made for every cruise. He even wore it at the Captain's reception. Just our luck on one particular cruise that our TA (who I no longer use) sat us at the same table with him. I didn't say anything until the first formal night when he wore it to the table. The minute he sat down, I asked him to remove it, which he did reluctantly. It was then we saw why he wore the hat - very sparse on the top!!! (big smile).

Another cruise we were on a man and his wife wore various coloured baseball caps with "Oh SH** printed on the front ...........and they were sitting at a table with an Officer. They wouldn't have been wearing them long if I had been at the same table.
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Old August 13th, 2005, 12:00 PM
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I agree and these replies are so well said. Part of the reason that many people go on a cruise is for the formal night(s). Maybe not to dress up full tilt with gowns/tuxes, but to dress up nicely and enjoy the atmosphere and ambiance with fellow passengers and the crew. The crew goes to great lengths for us passengers and to be pampered and waited on like the crew does for us in the dining room - to be served the fine meals in the style that they do - it is a treat. But, there will always be those who lean to the selfish side and don't care what other passengers think of them. These are the people who will force the issue and wear the baseball caps, the jeans, the shorts - all to satisfy themselves for no regard for anyone else. The ships offer alternative dining - why can't they go eat there? Personally, I wish the cruiselines enforced the dining room dress code more, at least on the formal nights.
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be careful, sometimes men who have gone thru chemo therapy will wear a baseball cap at dinner..most wives will not allow their husbands to wear hat to dinner unless there is a specific reason
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QUOTE - DeeDee
Suki - we used to travel with a group and there was one older gentleman who wore a hat his first name on it - had a new one made for every cruise. He even wore it at the Captain's reception. Just our luck on one particular cruise that our TA (who I no longer use) sat us at the same table with him. I didn't say anything until the first formal night when he wore it to the table. The minute he sat down, I asked him to remove it, which he did reluctantly. It was then we saw why he wore the hat - very sparse on the top!!! (big smile).

Another cruise we were on a man and his wife wore various coloured baseball caps with "Oh SH** printed on the front ...........and they were sitting at a table with an Officer. They wouldn't have been wearing them long if I had been at the same table.
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Smile, smile smile - I know I know you DeeDee! - you probably know me too - it's sometimes a small world! Anyway, the same 'gentleman' was on my 'hit list' and I recall the baseball cap with the ""Oh SH** ". In my book, being "very sparse on the top" was no excuse. The 'gentleman' (JOE was it?) was a real moron! He also sent postcards if he latched on to your name and address. I no longer use that TA - they went out of business! Small world, eh?
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Old August 14th, 2005, 01:50 AM
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OMG - I do know you Suki. Same Joe, same TA agency. Small world is right. Those darn postcards - dumbest thing I ever did giving him my address. I could have strangled the TA's wife for putting us at the same table with Joe and his 2 friends. Moron is right!

Where do you live - in TO or nearby? Who did you hang around with or sit with at dinner on those cruises? First names only. We sat with Paul & Margaret

I understand that TA is still in business but affiliated with another agency. I still use his former GM as my TA.

The ship the "OH SH**" couple were on was one of the N ships, that I remember. I can still see them with those caps. (roll eyes) I do wish this site had Icons.




Venice - believe me, both the men that Suki and I spoke about, were not going through Chemo - The "OH SH** " guy had plenty of hair and the other one was sparse on the top because of age. On that particular trip he also had hats for his 2 travelling companions - a husband and wife.
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Old August 31st, 2005, 01:07 PM
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I returned August 14 from Bermuda (a lovely spot - too bad a civilized line like HAL does not go there) on Norwegian Majesty. I made the mistake of posting (on Cruise Critic) my comments concerning the louts who wore jeans, logo tee shirts, and baseball caps (often backwards) in the dining room in the evening - contrary to posted NCL dress code. There was no effort to enforce the code - and the other posters on the thread assailed me for being a snob -- I have learned my lesson: NCL is for those for whom even the "Freestyle" concept is too formal -- I hope HAL continues the tradition of expecting just that touch of formality - and respect for fellow passengers.
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Last month for the first time in our somewhat limited cruising experience (four cruises, two with HAL) all three men at our table of six wore tuxedos on the three formal nights. None of us had met prior to the cruise and we were a variety of ages (35, 50, 55). Would anyone have been upset if one or two had worn dark suits instead? I don't think so, but it did seem nice that we all happened to bring tuxes. The ladies were especially pleased and it made for some great group photos. There was an increased sense of decorum and good taste, things I appreciate with HAL. Would we have been upset if someone at our table had chosen not to at least wear a jacket and tie for the formal dinners? Yes, I believe so.
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Old September 2nd, 2005, 12:07 PM
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Personally, I don't give a rat's you know what how my tablemates dress on formal night. I'm too busy having my own fun to worry about them. As long as they bathe, I'm happy.

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I do not care how other people look - I do care about how they behave -- and the simple fact is that people tend to behave, in general, in accordance with how they are dressed. This is why schools which are interested in discipline have dres codes - or even uniforms: the more care people take with their appearance usually translates to the more care they will take with their conduct .
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I have read many of the responses you got to your original message. We have been on several HAL cruises, and like others, they are getting less formal as time goes on. For casual nights, Hawaian shirts are fine, and I have seen some on informal nights as well. Also a tux is not required on formal nights any longer. it's about 60% dark suits as opposed to tuxes now. just a few years ago it was 70% tuxes.
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Old September 4th, 2005, 12:23 AM
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Willsot, Geoff and Richard:

I 'm with you all the way. Seems that much depends on the ship, cruise length and the itinerary - the larger the ship, the less the formality.

It's unfortunate that more and more Lines are (or trying to) emulating apartment/condominium community amenities and land based all-inclusive vacation resorts. It's depressing to say the least!!

Rita - I think you are the exception - personally I'd find it unpleasant to sit opposite a guy in casual T shirt on a formal night . I have a 'thing' about people who make a point of being deliberately 'non-conventional' - they seem insecure!
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Find exception with the remarks by rita.If they did not have it in writing that is one thing however the majority woul much rather have the formal nites and make an effort to comply to some extent.often wonder how these people would show up for a job interview where it is not written.7Have mentioned before on another site that a poll was taken several months ago and those wanting the formal nites won hands down and I would bet this would still be the case and in particular on Holland.
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I had the very good fortune to sail the 1959 built Rotterdam in both the summer of 1979 and 1980. On our first cruise, formal for men was either a tuxedo or suit, and informal was a jacket AND tie. The following year the tie became optional on informal nights, and many passengers made a lot of noise about this (me included, and I was just a twenty year old kid at the time). Casual nights had the same expectations as today, but there was only one that week, the last night at sea. The first night at sea was listed as "informal". I'm glad to see that these traditions haven't changed even more in the 25 years since I last sailed with Holland America.

One last note, my family sailed the Oceanic of Home Lines in 1983. Now Home Lines came across as good "product", but it hardly had the stellar reputation of HAL. Yet curiously, they still meant jacket AND tie on informal nights, and they enforced it! Gentlemen who appeared with jacket only were very politely reminded that they must wear a tie as well if they wished to enter the dining room.
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Hi All,

Holland American does run a class act which my wife and I do like.

After cruising on the QE2 for over 10-11+ cruises in many different grades, we were always aware and agreed with the strict standards that the Ship did require that did set a uniform tone & look thru out the ship for that particular day and cruise.

With the ship (QE2) relocating several years ago my wife and I decided to take a try at HAL with my parents (dedicated HAL cruisers), and were pleasantly happy and hooked on the line by the 2-3 day onboard. HAL reminds us of the QE2 with a certain comfort and traditions we look forward during our trips. We don't care for those Mega Ships (Voyager of Sea-2600 pass. and so on) or what we call the Stainless Ships that come out of Florida. Tradition is Tradition.

Yes, we are in our early 50's and do not mine associating with passengers much older than us which HAL seem to attraction onboard certain ships of their company. Even the new Vista Class are attracting both age ranges.

We very much believe in relaxing during the day but the evening should have a certain dress thru out the ship by all. I appreciate the Formal, Informal and Casual styles on HAL ships especially when coming back to the ship from a late tour and too late to dress for dinner. We unfortuately have seen people, not many, change into shorts and tee shirts after dinner and before showtime and yes they stick out like a sore thumb especially sitting with all of us in the Show Lounge and Midnight Buffet.

Also this new Free Style Cruising on such ships of NCL Dawn would not attract us to try it. Cruising on Local Ships besides Oceanliners have a history as far back as Titanic that have stressed a certsain style to enjoy and experience for 5-7-9-11 etc... days while onboard.

Also, we are looking forward to cruising the New Noordam in early 2006 and and return to the standards set by HAL.



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Old September 6th, 2005, 06:05 PM
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I'm sorry you find my comments offensive. I'm not saying I disregard the dress code ... I'm only saying that when I cruise, I am generally having such a good time that as long as my fellow passengers are congenial and don't behave offensively, what they are wearing doesn't bother me one iota.

I find interesting the post that mentioned that when polled, passengers who preferred formal nights won hands down. If that's the case, then I am surprised the dress codes are not more strictly enforced by the cruise lines. Usually, they will enforce the rules if the majority of pax are following them. But when you see half the people walking into the dining room on formal night not dressed according to the requirements, it's awfully difficult to start turning half the pax away.

I have found in my limited cruising experience that when there are only a handful of people not respecting the dress code, they are generally stopped at the door of the dining room and sent up to the Lido.

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The reason they are not stopped is that those in charge are concerned with the ratings that they receive at the end of the cruise by the passengers and if they were to get If you do not believe negative remarks this might very well have an influence on their promotion within that line and therefor do not want to rock the boat.If you do not believe the results of the vote ask the question again whether most would like to have a formal nite and observe the written dress code.
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Hi folks,
Dress Code is an Issue with us also. There are plenty of opportunity to dress down whould you wish to do that - and if you do go the the Lido Restaurant. On Semi-formal night men for the most part dress with coat & tie, there are those that perfer to be renegades. For Formal Nights Tux is well accepted by most men, there are approx 30-50% that elect to wear dark suits or jackets.
My wife and I still perfer to dress for dinner - since we are not dinning at McDonnalds dressing for dinner is appropriate.

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The sad fact is that the sort of people who feel that rules and suggestions do not apply to them are generally the most likely to protest loudly when frustrated. This means that a dining room steward or head waiter who requests that a passenger go back and dress appropriately is concerned that the passenger will make a stink and possibly pass some negative comments, thereby seriously jeopardizing advancement.

It is too bad that passengers do not take the time to remind fellow passengers who seem to have "forgotten" about dress requirements. I shared a table with several like-minded passengers a few cruises ago, and we collectively did just that- two of the four couples at an adjoining table had come to dinner three evenings seriously under-dressed -- they were so shocked that eight other passengers had the nerve to chide them, that they left immediately and did not return (and their table-mates congratulated us for speaking up). They did dress appropriately the remainder of the cruise, and no one seemed put out.
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I think that Geoff is right. By having uniforms people do act in a better way. I go to a private High School that has a uniform. We can wear a white long sleeve oxford shirt, tie, gray pants, navy sweater vest with a navy blazer and dress shoes. I can tell you that we all act in a better way.

I have been on Holland America before with my parents and I just wear my school uniform for formal nights. The regular nights I just wear a polo shirt and dockers including the day time. If more passengers dressed up more I probably would wear a tie on non formal nights since I wear one 5 days out of the week anyways. I always stay dressed up even after the shows on cruises. I don't no way before make such a stink about dressing up for a few hours.

Im going on a three day Celebrity cruise on 9-29 with my parents. I heard that passengers dress up more on Celebrity. This is our first time going on them. Im looking forward to it because I heard such good things about Celebrity.

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