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Old August 3rd, 2005, 10:43 AM
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I have a friend that is under the impression Holland America cruises are boring, that there is nothing to do after 10 PM. And that it is full of really old people? I've never been on a HA cruise, so am wondering if that is true or not. After all the missing people on RCI cruises, I'd like to avoid them in the future.
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Old August 3rd, 2005, 11:04 AM
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not true..we were just on the Zuiderdam last October and loved it and there is alot to do after 10 pm..the demographics are changing not only for HAL but for other lines as well as they all try to appeal to a wide variety of cruisers..the other classic myth is that Carnival is a "party ship"..well yes they do, but they also provide an excellent cruise experience for families

encourage your friends to try HAL
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Old August 3rd, 2005, 11:28 AM
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Delores: You made the comment "after all the missing people onf RCI cruises"......I am only aware of one missing person on Royal Caribbean...have there been more? In the recent past, there have been several on another cruiseline. IMHO, I wouldn't judge an entire cruisline on a few unfortunate incidents. I've sailed on both Royal Caribbean and HAL. I prefer Royal Caribbean, but I would not say that HAL was boring.

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Old August 3rd, 2005, 12:16 PM
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Delores:
I am reluctant to dignify your post with a reply but canīt help myself only because I find it so extraordinarily silly.
First and foremost , you really canīt be serious if you mean to attach any culpability to the ship for missing persons.
With regard to shipboard activity after 10 pm one has the choice of a cabaret show in the show theatre, a flick in the movie theatre ( on most ships), piano bar, dancing to live music in a lounge, frequently some form of cruise staff entertainment in another lounge or on deck, gambling in the casino, a board game in the card room, a snack, a walk around the deck, tv in your room,doing laundry in the self serve laundry ( most ships), shoomzing with friends in any one of several bars/lounges/quieter venues, dancing later in the disco, all in addition to whatever more intimate activities in which you and your cabinmate may choose to engage.
Did your friend acquire her/his impression from actually being on a HAL cruise? Is your friend boring or does s/he get bored easily?
Although HAL did have a reputation of having an old(er) crowd I concur with venice that the demographics are evolving.
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i was on the Zuiderdam this past March and it was wonderful. it not just full of old
people. my husband and i prefer HAL over Carnival but both are wonderful
experiences.you are only bored if you choose to be.....besides anyone can go
missing at any time and the cruise lines are not responsible for peoples action.
they are not baby sitters. pick HAL and enjoy yourself.
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Old August 3rd, 2005, 02:58 PM
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A couple of evenings ago, Larry King Live on CNN had his show devoted to two missing people, one being Natalee Holloway and the other was the man missing recently from his RCCL cruise. During the segment discussing the RCCL incident, the statistics given for people missing off of cruises was that one for every million people cruising will come up missing. Pretty good odds; you stand a better chance of coming up missing if you travel to certain parts of the US! Where did Delores get her information that there are "all these people" missing from RCCL? One incident and she is not going to cruise RCCL again?! As far as HAL being boring - well, a cruise is what you make of it. We cruised on HAL in May to Alaska and it was great - plenty to do well after 10 p.m. We have cruised on RCCL and Carnival also. Yea, maybe a somewhat younger crowd than on HAL, we are both 48 and yes, there is plenty of gray hair on HAL cruises, but they are just as much a party crowd as anyone. With all of the shows, lounges, casino, etc., how can you get bored?
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Old August 3rd, 2005, 06:05 PM
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We love holland america. We have been on other cruise lines But, prefer holland america. We are in our early 40's and have been crusing with holland america for about 5 years. We tried carnival-to much of a party ship for us. Also sailed the grand princess-we were not impressed with the service. In the casino all the dealers kept complaining they hate their jobs! It just did not have the warm feeling holland america has. I think holland america does a great with service.We enjoy getting dressed up. The staff is wonderful and you cant beat the service. It is amazing how the staff remembers your name.
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Old August 3rd, 2005, 08:45 PM
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We can't claim to be experts on cruising since we've only been on one...but...we loved our cruise last year on Holland! We never got bored even once. The casino was bright and fun, the shows very good, and if you wanted to go to your room and watch tv, you could get room service. You just have to try the Crow's Nest for a romantic evening. We went up there, requested the band play Moon River, and danced. Several other couples then got up and danced, too. It was especially poignant for us since it was the first time since my husband's terrible car accident that he was able to dance. He had to leave his cane at the table, but HE DANCED! I was in tears with the sweetness of the moment.
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Old August 3rd, 2005, 09:27 PM
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Delores - I can't believe you're serious with that post!!
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Old August 4th, 2005, 07:02 AM
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Sometimes, the ship can be dead around 11:00. I have seen the Crows Nest very busy on some cruises and others just plain DEAD with only a handfull of people. I have no idea if it has anything to do with age.

I am never bored, but compared to some other cruise lines, Hal could be called boring. If you are looking for a lot of excitement, lounges going strong until early in the morning, a band blasting away all afternoon at the poll, you many not find it on Hal.

What is boring to one person may not be boring to another.
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Old August 4th, 2005, 10:13 AM
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same thing happened on carnival / one time we went in november and the ship was rocking , another time the end of january and the ship was dead ( and the cruise was full to capacity ) so it all depends on the people on board .
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Old August 4th, 2005, 02:23 PM
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We just returned from a 10-day cruise on the HAL Westerdam. The Baltic Cruise was so port-intensive, that many of us were too tired to take in all of the activities happening on the ship. I heard more complaints that passengers did not have enough time to take in all the activities offered rather than not enough were offered.

We are 50 and 53 and were pretty tired by the end of the late-night main shows, but I still managed to stop by the casino, which was busy through the times I normally left (around midnight).
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Old August 4th, 2005, 04:33 PM
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We just returned from the Zuiderdam and if you asked my teenagers if it was boring you would get a YES answer!! If it were just my husband and I no it was not boring. We all did have a wonderfull time but there are no activities for the 15 to 21 crowd.Id stay with RCI that is a great ship for teens.
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Old August 5th, 2005, 10:32 AM
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Boy, guess I hit a sore spot with some of you. Sorry about that. I was just checking for a friend of mine. From all your positive replies, I may try HAL next time. I have only been on RCI and Princess.
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I hear a lot about comparision of Carnival and Holland America. Holland American used to be known as the line for oldies. Carnival was the party ship.

In 2004 the average age of a Holland American passenger was 46 and for Carnival it was 55 that is something intersting to ponder upon.
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Old August 6th, 2005, 04:57 PM
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They must not have seen the passengers getting off the ships that I have. I find those numbers very hard to believe. Frankly that doesn't jive with my personal experience or observations of fellow cruisers that I have personally witnessed.
HAL does attract an "older" bunch and Carnival still(no matter what anyone says) is still the party line.

We don't need the lines to be everything to everyone....its the differences in them that attract passengers with similar life styles to cruise a particular cruise line. I don't want all the lines to be the same. Do you?
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Old August 7th, 2005, 05:49 PM
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A boring cruise?????????? Never for me!!

A BORING PERSON will find just about anything boring.

The Cruise Line has nothing to do with it.
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QUOTEAuthor: CruiseLover
Date: 08-06-05 01:17

I hear a lot about comparision of Carnival and Holland America. Holland American used to be known as the line for oldies. Carnival was the party ship.

In 2004 the average age of a Holland American passenger was 46 and for Carnival it was 55 that is something intersting to ponder upon.UNQUOTE

I this this has to be qualified - ship names required - Carnival has many ships; HAL has many ships, somehow each ship has an age group following.
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QUOTEAuthor: CruiseLover
Date: 08-06-05 01:17

I hear a lot about comparision of Carnival and Holland America. Holland American used to be known as the line for oldies. Carnival was the party ship.

In 2004 the average age of a Holland American passenger was 46 and for Carnival it was 55 that is something intersting to ponder upon.UNQUOTE

I this this has to be qualified - ship names required - Carnival has many ships; HAL has many ships, somehow each ship has an age group following.
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QUOTEAuthor: CruiseLover
Date: 08-06-05 01:17

I hear a lot about comparision of Carnival and Holland America. Holland American used to be known as the line for oldies. Carnival was the party ship.

In 2004 the average age of a Holland American passenger was 46 and for Carnival it was 55 that is something intersting to ponder upon.UNQUOTE

I this this has to be qualified - ship names required - Carnival has many ships; HAL has many ships, somehow each ship has an age group following.
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Old August 8th, 2005, 02:34 PM
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We went on the Amaterdam around South America for 33 days. Yes the people were older in age but not in actions. Not many younger people can take a cruise that long. Almost any 7 day cruise has a much younger group . I loved HAL and I thought there was always something going on. On port days we were tired which most of everyone else was. A lot of times on sea days we would be up after 1:00. We made a lot of friends and were always busy. We are 62 and 65. I think that isn't old old but that is just me.
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Donna&Clem:

We are planning a longer cruise for our 33rd wedding anniversary...would be very interested in your impressions of the ship and the itinerary for South American.
1. Would you go again on the same ship?
2. How was the itinerary? Enough time in ports?
3. Cabin size...should we try for a suite on an extended cruise?
4. Meals? Menu changed enough to keep your interest?

And ANYTHING else you might think of interest in booking this type of cruise!

Thanks to anyone else who has experienced an extended cruise, we welcome your comments either on this thread or direct to my email!

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Old August 8th, 2005, 06:43 PM
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We chose different cruise lines basedson port of embarkation, itinerary, and the time of year that fits into our schedule. Because Holland America's Maasdam embarks out of Norfolk, Virginia, which is at our doorstep, it is very convenient for us. A cruise is what you make it; you can be as busy or laid back as you care to. Our only cruise on Holland America was a repositioning cruise to New England@Canada. We ported in six wonderful cities and found something special to see and do in each one of them. People had said that Sydney, Nova Scotia was boring. Well, we loved visiting a historic house located off the main street and going to the Alexander Graham Bell Museum. Right before we got back on the ship, the city sponsored a lovely craft show located right near the ship. I will always treasure the wonderful menorah that we had bought because some craftman thought enough to think of Holland America's Jewish passangers.As for Holland America, being known as the "gray line", it all depends. If you travel when the children are out from school, there are a lot of children on board. When children are in school, of course the average age of the passanger will be older.
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Old August 9th, 2005, 12:04 PM
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Sandra I would go on the Amsterdam again, we loved it. We booked a verandah suite BB and got upgraded to a Deluxe verandah suite S at a great price. The room was out of this world, big and all the pirks well worth it an a long trip. We could see everything laying on the bed if the weather was cold. The verandah was very large too. We choose this cruise because it started in Rio and ended in San Diego, so made it very easy getting home because we liv in Las Vegas. There were a couple of things we would do different, but not ever trip is perfect. If you want to know any thing else let me know.
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Donna:

Thank you for your response. We are really interested in an extended cruise for our 30th anniversary, and would like to do it on HAL.

You said that you would do some things differently...What would you do differently?

Since this will be our first extended cruise (we've done the 7day, 10day and will be doing a 12 day in December)

Any hints you can give will be greatly appreciated.

1. How was the itinerary?
2. Did they allow enough time in the various ports?
3. Was the menu consistently interesting? My husband loves to eat!
4. Most important, would you do an extended cruise again? Or was it a little long?

Thank you in advance,

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Sandy, I don't think 8to 10 hrs is enough time to see enough of any place. We did a 4day pre cruise in Rio then went to Iguazu falls. I liked that the ship spent 2 days in Buenos Aires. I wish we would have takenmore tours. The first half of the trip was wonderful,but the second half had some bad ports. If we had taken a tour instead of trying to do it on our own it would have been better. I never got tired of being on the ship that long. The food was very good, of course you might make get something you don't like so you can get something else.
We liked the long trip so much we booked a back to back Mediterrean cruise in Oct for 25 days on the Westerdam. We like the easy way to see part of the world by cruising. If we find some place we really love we can always go back and spend a week.If you want you can Email me if you need any more information.
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SandraW -
We're HAL cruisers and have done several what could be called 'extended' trips - 18, 15 days - Hawaii, Panama Canal, Trans-Atlantic We're big on sea days! Not too often do hours in port extend beyond 10 and that's usually to accommodate 'night life' which we can take or leave. As someone else said, if it's real special, you can, hopefully, go back for a land visit.

Perhaps if you can tell us the dates and itineraries you are thinking of, we can be of more help. Not everyone enjoys 4-5-6 or 7 days between ports, surrounded by ocean.
For us it's no problem - we're happy to explore the ship, socialise or just let the world go by.

Looking forward to your questions.............:-)
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Suki:

We are still looking at itineraries. I hate flying!!!! So..we thought we might take a cruise that is from the West coast, goes through Panama Canal and into the Amazon.. finishes up in Fort Lauderdale...then flies home. We saw a HAL brochure with that itinerary.

We thught the Prinsendam looked very nice. But we think that the Prinsendams itinerary is based in the Med.

My husband is really determined to celebrate our 30th with a day for a year cruise...so we are quite open to any options. We enjoy cruising for the overall on board experience.

Any packing hints, ship and cabin choices you might offer would be greatly appreciated. We are new to HAL. Our first cruise on a HAL ship will be the Oosterdam in March.

Also, any extended cruises that you especially enjoyed, we would like to check out the itinerary to see if it might be for us too.

Thank you in advance...
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Old August 13th, 2005, 11:47 AM
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My wife and I have been on 5 HAL cruises and have yet to be bored. I think however that if we expected to be entertained 24-7 by HAL or anyone else this may not be the case. There is always something to do if you seek it out and we have found that sometimes several choices are out there but choices due to time limitations had to be made. Sure the shows and times spent in the bars certainly contribute to a good time but there are many times Judy simply like to go to the crows nest and grab a couple chairs away from the crowd and order a couple of drinks and quietly talk or just be together. I cannot imagine a cruise that would not include some time simply relaxing out on the deck in a lounge chair reading a good book or going to the game room to play a game or to the library to read something. I like to get up early go for coffee then go to do a couple of miles on the treadmill on sea days. On shore excursion days we are up and running. We either book an all day excursion or one in the morning and one in the afternoon. We like to snorkel so on a Caribbean Cruise this is a priority.

Judy and I love to cruise but we are people who do not have unlimited funds so we have to make economic choices. We book inside cabins, and spend our money on excursions and on drinks and limited shopping. While a suite would be great we certainly let the fact that we can't comfortably afford it stand in our way of a good time and are truly thankful that we can take a cruise or two at least once a year.

How truly sad it is to talk to some who have wonderful suites and yet complain how bad the cruise is and how wonderful it is to find others who are having a truly wonderful time yet they have just a standard cabin. The cabin or the cruise line are not the the things which determine if a cruise is boring. What determines that is the attitude you have within you.

As to the age question, we have found that on longer cruises there perhaps more older people than there would be on a 7 day cruise. This probably true because retired people have the time while many of those who work don't want to commit all of their vacation days to cruising. Just from my observation I would say on a typical cruise
Those under 40 would make 20% of the population. Those between 40 and 55, Perhaps 35% and those over 55 the remainder 45%.

With this in mind If I were a younger person between 25 and 35 I probably would not book Holland America. I would go for a Windjammer or or Windstar Cruise.
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