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Old November 30th, 2006, 01:33 PM
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My husband wore a tux to the formal nights on Celebrity and Princess, but now says 'NO!". It's our first cruise on HAL - We're on the 12/6 Noordam to the Caribbean - and the info says jacket/tie is ok for the formal nights.
Will he look totally out-of-place in a sport jacket/tie with khakis?
Will it be an issue for the other diners or the crew?
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Personally I think he will look out of place wearing a sports jacket and khakis on a formal night, but if that's what he wants to wear, then that's his decision.

Usually this type of dress would be more suited to an Informal night.

What can I say. Men will do what they want to do.

Dress code does state that jacket & tie are OK for a formal night, but I don't think they meant khakis. More suitable would be a dark suit or even navy jacket and gray slacks.
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Old December 1st, 2006, 01:50 AM
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agree with the other posters --- he will look out of place -- many pax choose hal because its more formal in the tradiional way of cruising --
there are cruise lines that are much more informal then hal ---- maybe those should have been considered--- did you pose this dress code concern with your travel agent
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You will definitely be in the minority on Holland where they follow the dress code as much as any cruise line.Would suggest a dark suit on formal nites as a minimum or look at other dining options which are available.
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Old December 1st, 2006, 11:47 AM
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Yes he will feel out of place on HAL wearing just a sports jacket, etc.

Of the big three...Celebrity, Princess...and HAL...we've found HAL passengers stick closest to the dress guidelines. 0n formal night...we've seen a few dark dress suites on men...but NEVER a sports jacket.
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Have done many cruises, including several on HAL. My husband too reached the point of wanting to be comfortable, yet appropriate, on formal nights. He now wears a black blazer and gray slacks. Fits the bill for "dress up" and he always fits in.
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Dark sport coat and slacks is OK on formal nights. On the Volendam last week I saw a gentleman with a dark sports jacket, with jeans and no socks at the last formal night. While I always wear a tux to keep my wife happy, a jacket, tie, and slacks will fill the bill
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He should wear a navy suit with a white shirt and tie if he refuses to wear a tuxedo. He will look out of place on HAL's formal night if he doesn't at least do that.
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Actaully looking at the date of your cruise I guess anything we say is a moot point, but for others who want to know the same thing: we did see sports jackets, ties and nice slacks on formal night: not a lot, but some; the Khakis no way. To me this would be like saying, is it ok for women to wear really nice capri outfits on formal night? Nice evening slacks is one thing, capris no. HAL and formal go together like eggs and bacon. NMNita

ps HAL isn't as fomal as they used to be; jeans are worn both first and last night (again not a lot) and infomal or semi formal dress has been relaxed, but formal is still pretty much what it says.
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If that is what he wants to wear, great! I've seen all sorts of jacket and tie combinations on HAL formal nights and no one says BOO. This is your (collective) cruise; you're there to have fun, not cow touw to other passagers.

In my case, I'd be shot if I didn't wear a tux, but not by HAL, by my wife. Dressing up is part of her fun. So I wear a TUX.

If you sit at my table with a sports coat and khakis, I might ask you how you liked your entree, but really don't care what you wear -- it's your vacation.
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Howard, that's your opinion and you're entitled to it. Just as passengers have expectations of their cruse line, cruise lines have expectations of their collective clientele for the collective cruise experience. Different cruise lines have different expectations. Passengers don't cruise HAL to have a Carnival or NCL experience. HAL is a traditional line.

Of course I would never say anything to the passenger in khakis about the way he was dressed. I would engage in normal dinner time conversation the same as you would. I would consider the way he was dressed as his business. But, I would hope that if someone doesn't want to adhere to the dress code, he would have enough respect for himself and his fellow passengers to go to the buffet on formal nights.
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Howard, I would agree with you part way, but not totally. Of course if the dress police are not at the door and he won't get sent back to his room it is up to him what he wears within reason and yes, it is his vacation. On the other hand there are policies and I believe in pretty much following the rules. I still believe Khakis is stretching it a bit too far. WOuld I say anything? Of course not: i would most likely ask him how he spent his day or as you said "how did you enjoy your meal?" that being said, I have never been one who feels "rules are made to be broken" Thank you!!!
It does offend me when people believe thay can do or say anything they want. Same as it is offensive when people think snobbery is acceptable. Snobs to me are bores; you find them on many of these boards all the time. you are obviously not one of them, but a truely don't to earth person who minds your own business, does what you feel is right and doesn't try to control others.
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The "dress police" will not enforce because they are not being told to by their bosses.It is as simple as that and until so this will continue with the dress code being followed more on Holland and Celebrity than on the other main cruise lines.Am aassuming that this person does not dress the appropriate manner for a formal wedding or other formal function.I would hate to think that the cruise lines do away with dress codes and we have the waiters running arround in shorts and flip flops.Again there are alternative eating places all over the ship and these diners should partake there.Other cruise lines even have the same food in these locations as the main dining room.Why can't you go there?
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Default Sport Jacket/Khakis for formal night?

I thought I read recently where HAL is going to be asking folks to follow the guidelines a bit closer I think so much of this is just a reflection of how we dress in general now. Look what happened to "dress down Friday" now it is dress down sloppy and it is carried to all days of the week

I personally like the formal aspect of the trip and as others have stated, your vacation your call but my goodness I think folks should follow the guidelines somewhat

Oh well

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I've gotten by without a suit, wearing a conservative coat and tie combo instead. Now I have a black suit. He should be fine ! 8)
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I read this on another board. Apparently HAL is going to do away with "Informal" nights and replace it with "Smart Casual".



Based on feedback from our guests, a new dress code will be put in place on all ships in our fleet effective with specific spring 2007 departure dates (noted below).

OVERVIEW
Dress code will be reduced from three definitions (Formal, Informal and Casual) to two (Formal and Smart Casual).

NEW DEFINITIONS

Formal:
For ladies, cocktail dresses or suits are appropriate.
For gentlemen, jacket and tie are required. Dark suit or tuxedo suggested.

Smart Casual:
For ladies, casual dresses, slacks and informal evening wear are appropriate.
For gentlemen, slacks and collared shirts are suggested. No shorts, t-shirts or tank tops please.

FORMAL NIGHTS PER CRUISE
7 days: 2 Formal Nights
10-13 days: 3 Formal Nights
14+ days: 2 Formal Nights per week

EFFECTIVE DATES
The new dress code will take effect on the following sailings, selected as the earliest possible 2007 departure in Alaska, Europe or Canada/New England:
Amsterdam - May 18
Masdam - May 4
Noordam - May 13
Oosterdam - May 5
Prinsendam - May 7
Rotterdam - May 2
RYndam - May 6
Statendam - May 20
Veendam - May 9
Volendam - May 11
Westerdam - May 10
Zaandam - May 9
Zuiderdam - May 12
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Hope you are correct in your information and now would like to see all of these ships enforce this written code I guess time will only tell.
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Thanks for the update. It will be interesting to see how it all works out. 8)
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Old January 30th, 2007, 02:23 AM
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Based on feedback from our guests, a new dress code will be put in place on all ships in our fleet effective with specific spring 2007 departure dates (noted below).

OVERVIEW
Dress code will be reduced from three definitions (Formal, Informal and Casual) to two (Formal and Smart Casual).

"NEW DEFINITIONS

Formal:
For ladies, cocktail dresses or suits are appropriate.
For gentlemen, jacket and tie are required. Dark suit or tuxedo suggested.

Smart Casual:
For ladies, casual dresses, slacks and informal evening wear are appropriate.
For gentlemen, slacks and collared shirts are suggested. No shorts, t-shirts or tank tops please. "

The wording is a lot more clear. This "informal night " was ambiguous and confusing.
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This is my first cruise and I was looking forward to having the opportunity to wear a gown on formal night. After reading up on the dress code, I confidently purchased a gown (long, organza, beads, sequins - the works) for the June cruise. The next day (today) I see "formal" suddenly has a new definition, and I don't see "gowns." I am, without a doubt, wearing this gown! However, I do wonder if I will be alone. Are gowns officially "out?"
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This is my first cruise and I was looking forward to having the opportunity to wear a gown on formal night. After reading up on the dress code, I confidently purchased a gown (long, organza, beads, sequins - the works) for the June cruise. The next day (today) I see "formal" suddenly has a new definition, and I don't see "gowns." I am, without a doubt, wearing this gown! However, I do wonder if I will be alone. Are gowns officially "out?"
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of course you shold wear the gown. You will see lots of gals in dresses cocktail dresses as well as long gowns. NMnita
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sure, wear it. the only category they did away with was "informal". "formal" and "smart casual" are still the same.
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There is quite a bit of misinformation here. Someone even suggested that they had seen only "a few" dark suits indicating mostly tuxes on formal night. Not so at all anymore. We have been on two 30 day cruises on Holland ships in the last 3 years and the dark suits outnumber tuxes 2 to one. There are also a good number of sports coats and blazers. I would certainly recommend slacks as opposed to khakis though, i.e., no cotton pants on formal night, and of course a tie.
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We've been on a great many HAL cruises and still, today, same as years ago.......MANY gentlemen wear tuxedos on formal night. Dark suits are perfectly acceptable on HAL but to say that not many men dress formal is simply incorrect.

We just returned from 11 days on the gorgeous Noordam (GREAT ship) and far more of the gents than not wore tuxedos on the three formal nights.
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I have spent a total of 68 days on HAL ships in the last three years and have noted precisely the opposite. The trend is away from tuxes and toward dark Business suits. I'd say the mix is 60 (suits ) 40 (tuxes) now. Three years ago it seemed closer to 50/50. Maybe it's longer cruises.
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We were the Volendam from Van to Port Everglages in Sept/Oct 06.

I actually saw a male passenger (same one both times) told to leave the

dining room for not being dressed properly. One night was formal and one

night casual . He was wearing shorts to casual night and khaki's pants with

jacket to formal night. Noticed that most men wore the same dark suit and

tie for formal/informal nights. Casual was usually sport jacket , dress pants

with no tie for casual nights. We had only one night where it was totally

casual including the the dining room staff.
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The dress code is such a hotbutton topic. Everyone has strongly-held positions. Here's mine:

Formal is formal. HAL (or any other line) can allow simply jacket and tie. How open to interpretation is that??? Nothing is said about khakis, so we're free to interpret it however we see fit. But that's not formal attire. Not by any stretch of definition. Cruise lines, HAL included, can dumb down their requirements, but they shouldn't call it "formal."

A dress code is established to provide a certain ambiance onboard, especially during the dining experience. Dressing according to the code is a show of respect for your host (the cruise line) and your fellow passengers who have apparently chosen the line for the ambiance it offers.
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I have no problem dressing up, in fact I enjoy it. The only thing that my husband and I do like to do is after dinner and shows, we like to go to the casino and spend the rest of the evening. We are more comfortable being in the casino in less formal wear. Thats just us and usually we do go change. At least I follow the rules for more that half of a usual evening. Right?
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People are going to do what they are going to do.

HAL requests that guests observe the dress code for the evening....not just for dinner. They state this in the Know Before You Go Booklet you get with documents; they state it on their website; pax know that is what is expected of us.

Dress code never calls for shorts and t-shirts in the evening but now and then we see some people who are out and about dressed that way.

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