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Jernhon January 17th, 2007 05:38 PM

Smoking in Dining Areas
 
We're trying to decide on a Mediterranean cruise; the choices are HAL Veendam & Celebrity Galaxy. The 2006 Berlitz Cruise states that non-smokers could have a problem with HAL's smoking policy in both the dining room and the buffet: there are smoking & non-smoking areas of the main dining room, and one smoking buffet line & one non. This sounds like too close a proximity of smoke for our taste. (We're from Calif, where everything is smoke free, and we like it that way.) Also, the book stated a problem with smokers in non-smoking areas, while the crew did nothing to correct the situation.

We ask you experienced cruisers to share your opinions and help us decide if this issue is a deal breaker for us. Thanks much!

Irish Shark January 17th, 2007 06:10 PM

Smoking is allowed where designated but it's never permitted in restaurants or theatres. Most public spaces have a smoking section on one side only. Pipe and cigar smoking is allowed only in the smoking lounge. There are no non-smoking cabins but Holland America does an air-purifying cleaning so there is no residual odor.

Also ....

For the comfort of all of our guests, designated smoking and nonsmoking areas are available in most lounges. Smoking is not permitted at any time in dining areas. Our ships do not have "nonsmoking" staterooms; however, all rooms are thoroughly cleaned after each cruise to assure the comfort of our guests. All showrooms are nonsmoking during performances.

nmnita January 17th, 2007 06:50 PM

You must have been reading something very old: As Irish Shark said, there is no smoking in the dining rooms or the buffet. You can smoke by the pools on one side. Many people go to the buffet and bring their food to the smoking area out by the pools. We actually found very few smoking areas on the Amsterdam. Even the casion was no smoking 2 nights. You could smoke at the sports bar adjacent to the casino only if you were sitting at the bar, not standing near the casino or in the lounge by the bar.

NMnita :-?

Irish Shark January 17th, 2007 07:10 PM

The 2006 Berlitz Cruise states ......

If you paid for it, I would get my money back. :wink:

travelnut2 January 17th, 2007 07:14 PM

re smoking on Holland America
 
As regards smoking, we just got off the Noordam Jan. 6th and there was no smoking in the Dining Room or Buffet on Lido Deck but I can tell you that we did smell smoke in our hallway outside our cabin, so guess some people still do smoke in their cabins. I wish they would not allow it at all for everyone,s safety. They also had a Cigar Bar where people smoked but not in the casino anymore. Hope this helps. Holland America a great line but wish they would get more serious about smoking.

nmnita January 17th, 2007 10:47 PM

Re: re smoking on Holland America
 
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Originally Posted by travelnut2
As regards smoking, we just got off the Noordam Jan. 6th and there was no smoking in the Dining Room or Buffet on Lido Deck but I can tell you that we did smell smoke in our hallway outside our cabin, so guess some people still do smoke in their cabins. I wish they would not allow it at all for everyone,s safety. They also had a Cigar Bar where people smoked but not in the casino anymore. Hope this helps. Holland America a great line but wish they would get more serious about smoking.

We didn't smell smoke in the hallways on the Amsterdam, but I can see how you might: yes, smoking is allowed in the cabins. thought I can't imagine smoking in such close quarters non smokers do have to realize smokers still have some rights and the cabin is something they have paid for. NMnita :cry: :roll:

Jernhon January 17th, 2007 11:04 PM

Thanks everyone! BTW, the book was from the library ... :wink:

DeeDee January 18th, 2007 10:06 AM

The only place you can now smoke on the Noordam is a very small section in the Ocean Bar near the Bar, outside at the aft pool on the Starboard side, Sports Bart and a small section in the Crow's nest (I think). The Oak Room next to the Crows nest is for Cigar and cigarette smoking. There is now NO smoking in the Casino on 3 ships, including the Noordam, and eventually this will be fleet wide.

No more smoking on the port side of the Lido under the dome on the Noordam and this will probably go fleet wide also.

Kamloops Cruiser January 20th, 2007 08:50 PM

We were on the Volemdam in Sept 06 . the only smoking allowed was
1 - on the aft beach by the pool
2 - in the casino except certain nights.
3 - by the pool midship on Lido deck.

Definatly not is any restaurants or other areas except as noted above.

sail7seas January 31st, 2007 03:02 PM

We were told that, on average, 80 percent of HAL cruisers are non-smokers and only 20 per cent smoke. Rather representative of the population as a whole.

Noordam has been conducting an experiment making the casino smoke free and it was great. The entire 11 days we loved being aboard Noordam, we were able to roam into the casino if we felt like it and not be bothered by smoke.

I got the impression this may go fleet wide. If revenue numbers remain constant (or even increase), it's a win win. They would be maintaining the revenue they need from the casino and would be making 80 percent of the passengers happy.

As there are fewer smokers in our population, there will be fewer places smoking is permitted including on all the ships. That certainly will make the insurance companies happy. Less smoking; less risk of fire; happier insurance companies.

kryos February 15th, 2007 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by sail7seas
As there are fewer smokers in our population, there will be fewer places smoking is permitted including on all the ships. That certainly will make the insurance companies happy. Less smoking; less risk of fire; happier insurance companies.

Yes, it is true that there are fewer smokers in the population, but the problem is that the ones who do smoke tend to gamble and drink in the lounges. I think HAL is gonna see revenue drop by not allowing smoking in these areas. Bar and gambling are big revenue centers on a ship, unfortunately.

New Jersey just went non-smoking, but they gave some sort of "exemption" to Atlantic City because of the casinos. A compromise was reached that the casinos can retain 25% or something like that of their floor space for those gamblers who wanted to smoke. There was no way they were banning smoking 100%. It would cut too far into their profit margins, which are already beginning to be eroded by the slot parlors Pennsylvania has recently put into place.

HAL will never shaft that relatively small 20% of its passengers who smoke ... because it is specifically that 20% that tends to spend the most money in the casino and in the bars onboard.

Blue skies ...

--rita

kryos February 15th, 2007 01:07 PM

Re: Smoking in Dining Areas
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jernhon
The 2006 Berlitz Cruise states that non-smokers could have a problem with HAL's smoking policy in both the dining room and the buffet: there are smoking & non-smoking areas of the main dining room, and one smoking buffet line & one non.

Berlitz is wrong. I began cruising HAL in 2004 and all eating venues and the show lounge are 100% non-smoking.

Interesting that I learned, though, that Cunard has smoking sections in some of it's dining rooms on the QE2. Since I'm a smoker and will be sailing her in mid-April, hearing that was quite a pleasant surprise.

Blue skies ...

--rita

hammybee February 18th, 2007 11:23 PM

HAl discontinued allowing smoking in it's dining rooms in the 1999/2000 time frame.

rinker250 February 20th, 2007 10:28 PM

Strangely, I smoked for 26 years and always sat in the non-smoking section.

I had a friend who actually smoked WHILE he was eating...yummy.

crusin' fool February 21st, 2007 08:37 AM

From my sources at HAL I have been told that the limited smoking venue is on the Vista class ships where the demographic is younger non smokling families. I was told that most likely smoking will continue for quite some time on the R & S class ships as they have an older demographic that contains the majority of the smokers.

I am a smoker and find this a good compromise. We did sail in a Vista class once, the limited smoking was very uncomfortable. The smokers hogged all the seats at the bar and the majority of us weren't drinking. The non-smokers and the drinkers were advised by several persons that this was the only place that allowed smoking so they could go drink anywhere.

It's a tough call to make. but I think the information that I was given makes more sense than not.

nmnita February 21st, 2007 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by kryos
Quote:

Originally Posted by sail7seas
As there are fewer smokers in our population, there will be fewer places smoking is permitted including on all the ships. That certainly will make the insurance companies happy. Less smoking; less risk of fire; happier insurance companies.

Yes, it is true that there are fewer smokers in the population, but the problem is that the ones who do smoke tend to gamble and drink in the lounges. I think HAL is gonna see revenue drop by not allowing smoking in these areas. Bar and gambling are big revenue centers on a ship, unfortunately.

New Jersey just went non-smoking, but they gave some sort of "exemption" to Atlantic City because of the casinos. A compromise was reached that the casinos can retain 25% or something like that of their floor space for those gamblers who wanted to smoke. There was no way they were banning smoking 100%. It would cut too far into their profit margins, which are already beginning to be eroded by the slot parlors Pennsylvania has recently put into place.

HAL will never shaft that relatively small 20% of its passengers who smoke ... because it is specifically that 20% that tends to spend the most money in the casino and in the bars onboard.

Blue skies ...

--rita

I agree 100%. All you have to do, in Vegas or any other gambling spot is to see how many non smokers are in the non smoking areas. they are never as busy as the remainder of the casino. NMnita :-?

Grdner February 21st, 2007 05:05 PM

We sailed only once on Celebrity and our cabin was in between two cabins full of chain smokers - even the hall was blue with smoke. they would prop their doors open to clear the smoke out of their room = and of course, right under the door into our room. We couldn't spend any time there because our eyes burned and watered and we had sore throats. The occupants of the other 2 rooms gave the same reasoning - we paid the same for our cabin and we are entitled to smoke in there and so we will. There was an open covered area 50 steps away where they could have done some of their smoking. Even the steward was upset by all the smoke.
Where were our rights to breathe clean air and not have burning eyes and sore throats?

On the lounge deck smoking was allowed all down the port side but if you sat on the other side the smoke drifted over and we were never able to sit very long before having burning eyes etc. again.

We have never sailed with Celebrity since and are happy with HAL's smoking policy and have never been bothered with heavy smoke - except for the casino - on any of our cruises with them. We just stay out of the casino - but we couldn't stay out of our cabin on Celebrity.

rinker250 February 21st, 2007 06:16 PM

They were right about being able to smoke "in there".

However, once that door got propped open I'da been doing a tap dance at the reception desk!!

nmnita February 21st, 2007 06:40 PM

The door being left open is inexcusable. In the days when I did smoke, (I do now when gambling but that is about the only time) once I did open our cabin door, but I realized it was totally inconsiderate to non smokers. The cabin was too stuffy to be smoked in so I just smoked outside. That was it and yes, in the casino. :roll:

crusin' fool February 22nd, 2007 04:01 PM

I guess you could ask them to open a window :wink:

gsel February 23rd, 2007 09:35 AM

I took a relatively large group of first time cruisers last year on a Carnival cruise and my DH "sprung" for a penthouse cabin. It was a real treat and made it such a nice thing to have the extra room. But! Once we got on board and settled in the cabin we discovered the passengers on both sides of us smoked and one of them smoked a huge fat cigar. Evidently is wife would not let him smoke it in the cabin and he spent most of his time on the balcony (up wind from ours!) with his lit cigar. He was very careful not to put ashes overboard, can't say the same for the people on the other side with their cigarettes and they were reported. Not by us but by the people on the other side of them for throwing their cigarettes overboard. Needless to say, we did not spend much time on our balcony. With the cigar on one side and the cigarettes going overboard on the other it was not a pleasant situation. I really don't mind cigarette smoke, but please be careful with the ashes and butts. Cigars do bother me and I don't like the smell of that kind of smoke. I don't think the smoking issue will every be solved to please everyone. Another one of the cases where the majority will probably have to win.

sail7seas February 23rd, 2007 10:37 AM

Gsel, What a shame you couldn't enjoy your veranda. Disappointing.

My guess is the smoking in cabins and on verandas question will be answered by the Insurance Companies. I think the premiums will be so high for the ships that continue to permit smoking in those areas that cruise lines will be forced to think about banning it.

Only as few as three or four years ago, it would have been out of the question to ban smoking in cabins. There were more smokers in society as a whole and, therefore, more cruisers who smoked.

The numbers are dwindling and as there are fewer smokers, the cruise lines will be receptive to the requests of the vast majority and the pressure of insurance companies and I think there will be fewer places aboard where smoking is permitted.


Actually, on HAL ships, the smoking allowed areas are already considerably reduced from as few as three or four years ago. It is rare now when we are bothered by smoke just about anywhere we go on the ships.

nmnita February 23rd, 2007 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by sail7seas
Gsel, What a shame you couldn't enjoy your veranda. Disappointing.

My guess is the smoking in cabins and on verandas question will be answered by the Insurance Companies. I think the premiums will be so high for the ships that continue to permit smoking in those areas that cruise lines will be forced to think about banning it.

Only as few as three or four years ago, it would have been out of the question to ban smoking in cabins. There were more smokers in society as a whole and, therefore, more cruisers who smoked.

The numbers are dwindling and as there are fewer smokers, the cruise lines will be receptive to the requests of the vast majority and the pressure of insurance companies and I think there will be fewer places aboard where smoking is permitted.


Actually, on HAL ships, the smoking allowed areas are already considerably reduced from as few as three or four years ago. It is rare now when we are bothered by smoke just about anywhere we go on the ships.

Yes, the smoking areas have really been reduced and you can no longer get matches from the bar tenders on any line I don't think. I know you can't on Celebrity, HAL or RCI> As for banning smoking in the cabins and verandas I think that is further away than you think. They may soon offer non smoking cabins, but not a total ban for quite a while. At least that is how I see it. NMnita :)

gsel February 23rd, 2007 12:17 PM

Personal responsibility and consideration for others would go a long way. I am not sure banning smoking completely is the answer. IMHO!

rinker250 February 23rd, 2007 12:54 PM

Nothing worse than the smell of a cheap cigar...and an expensive one ain't much better.

Pearl allowed cigar smoking only in the cigar room.

nmnita February 23rd, 2007 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by rinker250
Nothing worse than the smell of a cheap cigar...and an expensive one ain't much better.

Pearl allowed cigar smoking only in the cigar room.

Dan, I agree, I always loved the smell of a pipe, but cigars, nothing worse in my opinion....... :( :o

kryos February 24th, 2007 05:13 AM

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Originally Posted by rinker250
Nothing worse than the smell of a cheap cigar...and an expensive one ain't much better.

Princess has a special lounge for cigar smokers, Churchill's. Unlike most people, I love the smell of cigar and pipe smoke and would sit in there smoking my cigarette just to be around the cigar smokers. My friends ... all non-smokers ... would be in the martini bar across the hall, and I would generally be with them. But when I wanted a cigarette I would run over to Churchill's ... a really quaint place.

Blue skies ...

--rita

nmnita February 24th, 2007 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by kryos
Quote:

Originally Posted by rinker250
Nothing worse than the smell of a cheap cigar...and an expensive one ain't much better.

Princess has a special lounge for cigar smokers, Churchill's. Unlike most people, I love the smell of cigar and pipe smoke and would sit in there smoking my cigarette just to be around the cigar smokers. My friends ... all non-smokers ... would be in the martini bar across the hall, and I would generally be with them. But when I wanted a cigarette I would run over to Churchill's ... a really quaint place.

Blue skies ...

--rita

NCLs newer ships have cigar bars as well. 8)

kryos February 26th, 2007 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by gsel
Needless to say, we did not spend much time on our balcony. With the cigar on one side and the cigarettes going overboard on the other it was not a pleasant situation. I really don't mind cigarette smoke, but please be careful with the ashes and butts. Cigars do bother me and I don't like the smell of that kind of smoke. I don't think the smoking issue will every be solved to please everyone. Another one of the cases where the majority will probably have to win.

Did anyone take the time to have a "talk" with the cigar smoker ... let him know that his smoking on the balcony was reducing the enjoyment you were getting from yours? I find that most smokers are considerate and surely something could have been worked out to the benefit of all parties.

Blue skies ...

--rita

gsel February 27th, 2007 08:47 AM

Oh yes! He told us he paid for the balcony and he was going to enjoy it! Very considerate fellow.


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