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I abhor self-focused, extreme judgments, in either direction. So that means the lout who comes to Formal Night dressed in bluejeans and a t-shirt is wrong, but so is the lout who condemns anyone who chooses to wear anything that is within the explicit bounds of the cruise line's written dress code. Saying, "The rules don't apply to me," is wrong, but saying "My rules apply to everyone," is also wrong.
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Personally, IMO, one of the reasons we love HAL is that it is more "dressy". That's what HAL is all about.

We both like the formal nights, because those pictures are the only nice portraits we get.

Our lives at home are very casual, so we like the once a year opportunity to be different.

IMO everyone has a choice. WE choose to dress up.

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7 for me....and I'm pretty clueless as to fashion.

I enjoy wearing my dark(er) blue jacket with tan slacks. I'll wear a light blue button down and let my wife pick out the tie.

This worked out well for me on NCL last February in the Carribean.
Do you think it'll fly on the Ryndam in December on the Riviera?
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rinker250 -- yes, a dark blue sports jacket with tan slacks, a light blue button down shirt, and a tie will be fine on the Ryndam for the Mexican Riviera in December. You might feel a little bit under-dressed if here happens to be a bunch of men aboard in Tuxedos, but you will not be alone dressed that way and you WILL be within the stipulations of the dress code. And, thank you for being willing to do so!
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On a scale of 1 - 10 I would have to rank the importance of the dress code at an 8.

My biggest problem, and greatest ire, is reserved for violations of the dress code which involve the following:

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T-shirts, swimsuits, tank tops and shorts are not allowed in the restaurants or public areas during the evening hours.
Now, someone might say "This doesn't happen!" YES, it does; and, sometimes it happens on Formal Night. On a recent cruise aboard the Volendam we observed many dozens of people "out and about" in the main dining room, in the lounges, and wiggling on the dance floors, dressed in shorts and t-shirts -- yes, on all three Formal Nights -- and it wasn't just a few, or a small handful ... we're talking many dozens of people. Indeed, enough people that, at one point, those in the Ocean Bar dressed below the "not allowed" stipulation OUTNUMBERED those dressed according to code. I'm serious.
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Thanks for responding Rev,
Our TA advised us that HAL is stepping up enforcement of the dress "suggestions".

However, as our documents contained no special mention, I wonder what they will do if a passenger says that they flat out do not have the "suggested" clothing.

As far as a tux for me.....we have reservations in the Pinnacle Grill for all nights except the 24th and 25th. Those nights will be glued to the TV in the sports bar.
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On a scale of 1 - 10 I would have to rank the importance of the dress code at an 8.

My biggest problem, and greatest ire, is reserved for violations of the dress code which involve the following:

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T-shirts, swimsuits, tank tops and shorts are not allowed in the restaurants or public areas during the evening hours.
We've been through this before, and in terms of your last comment, I wholeheartedly agree with you. If someone is going to wear a sloppy tee-shirt and cut-off jeans to the dining room on formal night, that just goes to show that they have no respect for their fellow diners. If they want to dress like that, then there are venues onboard the ship (primarily the Lido) where they can certainly do that freely.

But, that said, I don't think everyone should be expected to wear gowns and tuxedos on formal nights. I certainly would never do this because it's just not "me," and as far as I am concerned it is not necessary for me to "fit in."

As long as people dress nicely ... with obvious attention to their grooming on those formal nights, I think that is fine. They don't have to technically be dressed to kill. And I don't think their failure to dress to the nines should have any impact whatsoever on the enjoyment of others who do choose to go all out.

But if someone comes to the dining room dressed in a sloppy tee-shirt with bluejeans on formal night, then I blame HAL for allowing them to be seated. The matri 'd should politely stop them at the door and direct them to the Lido to eat. In fact, I saw just this sort of thing occur in the Ocean Bar on a formal night during my last cruise (on the Veendam). A couple of gentlemen took a seat at the bar on formal night wearing tee-shirts and shorts. The next thing I knew, they were quietly getting off their barstools and heading toward the door. Apparently the bartender politely sent them on their way ... as rightfully he should. Yet, I was sitting at one of the tables, clearly not dressed "technically" formal, but dressed nicely ... and had no problems being served all night long. I also had enjoyed dinner in the dining room dressed the same way. But, then again ... I certainly wasn't wearing jeans or a tee-shirt either.

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rita,
You mention the Lido for jeans, tee shirts, shorts, etc.

The policy is "not in restaurants or public areas".

Please help me understand the definition of a public area that requires a dress code in the evening...and areas that do not.


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You mention the Lido for jeans, tee shirts, shorts, etc.

The policy is "not in restaurants or public areas".

Please help me understand the definition of a public area that requires a dress code in the evening...and areas that do not.
It's pretty much "anything goes" in the Lido. As long as you are not wearing bathing suits without a cover up, are not in your bathrobe (though I've heard stories about some people dining there in their HAL robe), and have a shirt on ( ... I'm referring to the men here) ... you are welcome to enjoy the Lido in pretty much any attire. I guess they don't consider the Lido a true restaurant in terms of the dress code.

In fact, the whole Lido deck ... outside and inside ... is casual. If you choose to dine casual on a formal night, the problem is that the dress code is in force in ALL public areas on the ship, excluding the Lido. Therefore, the Lido deck would be your only option for evening entertainment ...

Now, that said, I will also say that I have never seen someone thrown out of a bar on a formal night because they weren't dressed formal. I have, however, seen people asked to leave the Ocean Bar when they bellied up to the bar in shorts and tee-shirts. Of course, the bartender handled everything very discretely and I only knew they were asked to leave when I saw them getting down from their barstools without being served. Had I not been looking, I would have never known.

So, yes, feel free to dine at the Lido any evening in casual attire. That's the whole purpose of that dining venue. Not everyone likes to get dressed up while they are on vacation. In fact, some of us don't even bother bringing along formal clothing on shorter cruises ...

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I THINK I've got it...

On a formal night...all areas except Lido (?)

Casino?
Crow's Nest?
Exploer's Lounge?
Piano Bar?

We are definitely not wearing shorts and tee-shirts in the evening but also like to change from formal wear to casual after we eat.
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Wow, lot's of opposing opinions out there.

So here's my two cents:

Yes, it does matter! For those of you saying, it doesn't matter how others dress, I say you are fooling yourselves. To place some perspective on that statement think of service.

Along with the casualness that today's society has adopted, we have also accepted much worse service. I waited tables 25 years ago while attending college. The service I typically receive today would have earned a reprimand 25 years ago. And today a higher tip is expected!!

Well we've seen that same decline in the dining rooms on ships: less service and automatic tipping. Imagine what kind of service you would receive in a dining room full of people dressed in bathing suits and sandles.

When I'm wearing my tux and my lovely wife is in an evening gown, I wanted to treated and served accordingly. Those of you that don't mind your dining room mates in beach casual, please remember that soon you will be served as if you are wearing beach casual.

I once had Italian dressing dumped down the sleeve of my tux. The waiter didn't offer to do more than wipe it off. My wife immediately summoned the headwaiter to explain the situation. She asked if we dressed like we didn't care! The line dry cleaned my tux. I think the waiter's lack of professionalism was due to laxed standards.

I dress to the situation in which I wish to immerse myself. People tend to conduct themselves better and receive better table service in a formal environment.

To those of you are fine with the dining room relaxing the dress code, please go eat in a casual dining room. If there's a dress code, please enforce it. If there are no dress codes or HAL drops formal nights, than so be it. I sail HAL because it is a bit dressier and elegant. I can go Jimmy buffet style and sail Carnival. Or if HAL does eliminate formal nights, I will choose a line that still has and enforces them. Currently only price influences my choice of HAL over Celebrity.

I'm not imposing my opinion on others, I'm just letting the cruiselines know how I choose. I expect formal night to be formal. If you choose not to be formal, there are other dining venues to choose. If the cruiseline chooses not to be formal there are other cruise choices.

Someone mentioned that casual is the direction the lines are going and we can't stop it. I agree with the first part of the statement, but not the second. The cruiselines are trying to make crusing available to the masses by lowering prices. 20 years ago, much fewer people could afford cruising. That same demographic enjoyed dressing. The masses don't enjoy dressing. HAL offers a product that Carnival does not. CCL (the whole corporation) will tailor the different lines to appeal to disctinct audiences. Windjammer/Carnival/HAL/Cunard each appeal to different groups. If they blurr the distinctions, they will become competitors.

If indeed, as this thread has read, people prefer to maintain the elegance that HAL offers without jumping to the cost of a Cunard sailing, then they will speak through their comment cards and influence HAL to keep and enforce formal nights.
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We are definitely not wearing shorts and tee-shirts in the evening but also like to change from formal wear to casual after we eat.
As long as you are dressed "nicely," trust me ... no one will ask you to leave any of those venues on a formal night. In fact, to be honest, you could probably even get seated in the dining room in less than formal dress, so long as you weren't blatently casual (jeans, tee-shirts, etc.)

I've told this story before ... and at the risk of being boring, I'll tell it again.

I have a tee-shirt ... just a black tee-shirt ... nothing fancy. However, it has reinstones embedded it ... all different colors ... going up the neck line and all over the front.

A nice little black jacket ... maybe something with "sparkles" and a pair of velvet pants, and I'm good to go. Have never once been asked to leave the dining room dressed like that.

And you know something else? I'm often one of the nicer dressed people at my table, so I'm not embarrassed about it either.

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Thanks Rita,

BTW, I have collars, not "necklines"
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As long as it's not a baseball cap, and worse, on backwards, and blue jeans, I don't much care one way or the other. It's a casual world out there and some people just don't want to be told how to dress. Are they right? No. Does it ruin my vaca? No.
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Enforce the dress code at the entry to the dining room and advise that there are many other options for dinner on any night.A couple of years ago I ran a survey on Holland reference formal nights and the result was some 80% enjoyed the occasion.As you might guess the women even more than the men.In my observation is that the atmosphere on formal nights is much more elegant and only adds to the the total cruise experience. Have also noticed this on Celebrity as well.Almost all cruise lines have gone more casual to follow the desires of many however they have kept the formal nites even though less dressy than in the past . I can remember on Holland when we dressed every night in suit or formal with orchestra above the dining room and much of your meal was prepared table side. Will never see this again and certainly will be missed by many of us.
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Dress code is important and should be honored. It sets the tone for the dining environment. There are other venues for casual or very casual dining. I will say that after spending two weeks on the Queen Elizabeth less formal has become more appealing.
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I really don't care at all what other people are doing. Too much is made of this subject. I am there to enjoy myself without casting judgement on others.
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I really don't care at all. Too much has been made of this subject.
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This thread appears to be seven years old. Has formal night relaxed any?

Goodness, a cruise should be relaxing. The last thing I want to do on vacation is to put on a fancy outfit and high heels!

I believe that going to dinner in a skirt or a nice pair of slacks and top should be adequate.

Apparently I'm in the minority here . . . but that's OK.
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It's not as formal as seven years ago if that's what you mean.
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Dress code is important to me. Holland is a nice cruise line- and i enjoy dressing up otherwise i would hit the Lido. Great question.
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Wow - seven years old and in that time dress codes have been all but abolished. You can still dress up if you want to - but don;t expect other passengers to do it.

I feel like this - if I want to dress up then I want to be in a room where everyone is dressed up. This is one thing that makes Cunard and Crystal nice cruise lines - the people care about that.

But I think other cruise lines need to make an effort to separate people who do or do NOT care - assign one dining room to be formal for the night and enforce the dress code. make it a special meal with a string quartet, or ballroom dancing. You get the idea.

A note in the daily program that the night is "formal optional" is not enough.
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I believe that if a cruise line has a formal night others who do not wish to participate should go to the dining room and respect those who wish to dress.

I no longer want to do formal night so I just go to the buffet. I don't want to pack lots of luggage. I travel for sightseeing and learning not to socialize. So, on dress night I just go to buffet. I think those that do not want to dress should also avoid the dining room and respect the formal nights.
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