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Old February 4th, 2008, 01:16 PM
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OK maybe I'm a nerd to look such facts up, but I find it hard to believe that Rome Italy is further North than New York City. According to my world atlas, Rome is 41.54 to New York's 40.44. Martha's Vineyard is closer at 41.24. Europe is relatively higher in latitude than the USA and climate zone don't always match up. Take London at 51.30 latitude which is closely parallel with Red Bay Labrador 51.44, Calgary(51.03) and Dawson's Landing BC 51.45. The Beatles Liverpool(53.24) is roughly the same latitude as Edmonton AB(53.33). The famous college city of Cambridge England is 52.12 which compares to Saskatoon Saskatchewan's 52.07. Scotland's Loch Ness is around 57( Inverness being 57.28 ) which is parallel with Sitka Alaska at 57.04. In Alaska we have Juneau at 58.18, Seward at 60.12, and Anchorage at 61.12, which parallels that great Scandinavian capitals...Helsinki( 60.10), Oslo (59.55), and Stockholm( 59.20).
What about Paris ( 48.51) ? Try Minot ND ( 48.13), International Falls MN ( 48.36), St John's Newfoundland ( 47.34), and Bonavista Bay Newfoundland ( 49). Vancouver BC is 49.15 and Winnipeg Manitoba 49.53. The strait of Gibraltar which is the Southern tip of Western Europe is somewhat paralleled to the US cities of Nashville and Las Vegas. Cairo Egypt and New Orleans are comparable latitude wise around the 30th parallel.
Maps of North America can appear misleading... Halifax Nova Scotia is further South at 44.36, than Portland Oregon at 45.31. The East and West coast of the USA don't always match up logically in my mind at least..Los Angles (34)is aligned with Cape Fear on the North Carolina Coast. San Diego CA and Charleston SC are close at 32.47 and 32.47 respectfully. San Francisco and Richmond VA match up closely (37.42 & 32.47).
I live at 31.19 which is the same latitude as Southern Morocco, Northern Persian Gulf, Negev Israel, Southern Afghanistan near the Pakistani border, Punjab India, and somewhere near Shanghai China.
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This is a topic that I also find fascinating and I am usually the one to remind people of this when they are traveling abroad.

Europe, however, enjoys a completely different weather pattern than we have with much less of their weather coming from the polar regions than ours does.

The continent gets often gets trade winds that are milder than ours for the same lattitudes, especially in southern Europe. So, while Rome is farther North than NYC, it is drier and hotter than NYC. It just shows that Lattitude alone is not an indicator of climate.

not sure what this has to do with Holland America, though. Would be better to post this in chit chat. Thanks!
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This is a topic that I also find fascinating and I am usually the one to remind people of this when they are traveling abroad.

Europe, however, enjoys a completely different weather pattern than we have with much less of their weather coming from the polar regions than ours does.

The continent gets often gets trade winds that are milder than ours for the same lattitudes, especially in southern Europe. So, while Rome is farther North than NYC, it is drier and hotter than NYC. It just shows that Lattitude alone is not an indicator of climate.

not sure what this has to do with Holland America, though. Would be better to post this in chit chat. Thanks!
Without a doubt ocean currents and wind directions have as much to do with climate as latitude. What does this have to do with Holland America? Well I did take two Alaskan cruises on that line and see a relevance to climate/latitude in that regard.
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Actually, our (I'm Dutch) temperate climate comes completly from the ocean currents. We have warm water flowing from the carribean to Europe which keeps us warm. Even worse, people are now getting scared that the global warming thing might shut down the big pump of the coast of Iceland and stop the warm water flow in our direction. We would be getting seriously low T's, comparable to northern Canada. Then again, with even more global warming we might get the Carribean T's. Think I'll burn another tank of gas quickly
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Actually, our (I'm Dutch) temperate climate comes completly from the ocean currents. We have warm water flowing from the carribean to Europe which keeps us warm. Even worse, people are now getting scared that the global warming thing might shut down the big pump of the coast of Iceland and stop the warm water flow in our direction. We would be getting seriously low T's, comparable to northern Canada. Then again, with even more global warming we might get the Carribean T's. Think I'll burn another tank of gas quickly
In classic paintings the show the canals freezing over. Does that still happen?
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Very rarely, but then, in the past it also happened very rarely althought that depends on the time the picture was drawn. As far as I know the T's were approx. 3 degrees (Celsius) higher than today somewhere around 1300. Also, there was a mini Ice-aged around 1726 (I believe).

We measure our winters by something called 'eleven city skating race' A race that happens approx. every 25 years because a lot of water needs to be frozen. The last one was around 1997, before that 1986, 1985, 1963.

So it might look as if winters were colder in the pictures but I wouldn't surprised if people would just paint a lot in cold winter because of the more pretty picture.

All in all, I don't believe the whole greenhouse crap yet, there's just to much evidence that this is a natural phenomenon. Evidence that Al Gore conveniently 'forgot' to mention in his movie.
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