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Old August 22nd, 2008, 02:31 PM
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Well, how about it. Do you like the new "smart casual". Does that include jeans in your opinion?

Do you stay dressed in your formal wear for the entire evening? Or do you get comfortable and change before you hit the shows or casinos?

I, personally, see no problem with nicely presses or fancy jeans in the DR on casual nights.
Sometimes I stay in formalwear and sometimes I change. It depends on how much time I have, how I feel that evening and wheather or not I ate too much at dinner .
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Well, how about it. Do you like the new "smart casual". Does that include jeans in your opinion?

I like the new "smart casual". For the first time, I wore a nice pair of jeans and a sweater set when we were in Alaska, but if I was in the Caribbean or somewhere that was hot, I wouldn't take jeans with me. On our Alaska trip there were a lot of people in jeans.




Do you stay dressed in your formal wear for the entire evening? Or do you get comfortable and change before you hit the shows or casinos?

We have always stayed in our formal wear the entire evening. We like dressing up on formal nights and it's nice to see others do the same.

I, personally, see no problem with nicely presses or fancy jeans in the DR on casual nights. Neither do I.

Sometimes I stay in formalwear and sometimes I change. It depends on how much time I have, how I feel that evening and wheather or not I ate too much at dinner .

Maybe I should start doing this also.

One thing I have done is to stop wearing dresses/skirts that require the dreaded panty hose - now it's knee highs for my slacks/dressy pants/long skirts or no hose if I am wearing sandals. Times have changed since we first started cruising way back when. In those days Formal meant you stayed in your formal clothes all evening; Informal meant jackets and ties for men and dresses for ladies - no slacks/pants/capris for ladies. And there were no Casual nights. We've come a long way, baby!
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I like the new dress code, and see nothing whatsoever wrong with nice jeans in the dining room on smart casual nights.

My feeling has always been dress for the occasion. For some reason, I just can't see formalwear on a Caribbean, Alaska or Hawaii cruise. The whole environment, at least to me, on those kinds of cruises is one of casualness. Of course, when I say casual, I don't mean sloppy. I'm not talking about coming into dinner dressed in a raggedy tee-shirts and jeans with holes in them. I'm talking about a nice pair of jeans here, with a nice blouse ... maybe one with an island design if you are on a Hawaii or Caribbean cruise.

Now maybe on a European itinerary, or perhaps a TransAtlantic followed by European ports, people may wish to get dressed for dinner. But that's an entirely different cruising environment where formal fits in better.

I think with the airline restrictions on baggage getting tighter and tighter, and with the cost of checking added bags (and even the first) surely going up in the future, you're gonna see less and less people opting to bring a lot of formalwear on their crusies. They're gonna want to pack all smart casual clothing and know that each piece they bring can be worn for a multitude of purposes ... not just on one or two nights during the cruise.

As for changing after dinner, I'm with you. If I have time, I certainly do prefer to get out of the formal clothes, but if I'm pressed for time to get somewhere, then I just go as is. After all, I don't dress that formally to begin with ... just good enough not to get bounced out of the dining room by the matri 'd.

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Jeans absolutely on Smart Casual Night. Jeans are the biggest thing in the chic fashion magazines. Obviously not the ripped, holey kind, but nice jeans.

The "Old Time" cruise crowd are showing their mental age when they protest against nice jeans. Nice jeans look terrific when paired with smart jackets, or other smart tops and have for a number of years.

I don't object to those who want to dress differently on those nights, but, really, what is the difference between Dockers and smart jeans. They're both casual pants. Does the material they're made of make that much difference?
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Just got off a 12 day on the Zuiderdam. We had a guy that wore shorts to every meal (1st sitting), even fomal night!
He was about 65-70 years old.
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Just got off a 12 day on the Zuiderdam. We had a guy that wore shorts to every meal (1st sitting), even fomal night!
He was about 65-70 years old.

Maybe his suitcases were lost.
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Just got off a 12 day on the Zuiderdam. We had a guy that wore shorts to every meal (1st sitting), even fomal night!
He was about 65-70 years old.

Maybe his suitcases were lost.
pretty funny, too bad so many are doing this now. WE were on Princess last Jan and were amazed at how many wore shorts to dinner, yes, many were older men. I am not one that really cares about doing the formal thing, but I really don't like shorts in the dining room and think the dress code should be followed. If you don't like it find a line that meets what you consider appropiate, problem here, most lines still do not allow shorts after 6pm.

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Glad to see more people are relaxed about the dress code here at cruisemates compared to some other sites.

I plan on wearing a nice shirt, with dark pants(Jeans or suit pants) to dinner on smart casual nights.

As far as the rest of the night goes, I will wear my smart casual clothes for the rest of the night. Formal nights, I plan on going back and changing and heading up to the teen center!

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Just got off a 12 day on the Zuiderdam. We had a guy that wore shorts to every meal (1st sitting), even fomal night!
He was about 65-70 years old.
He must have been staying in the highest level accommodations on the ship, and no one wanted to offend him. Frankly, that's the only explanation I can come up with for how he got into the dining room on formal night in shorts. You're really not supposed to be allowed to wear shorts in there on any night.

I'm not a dress code prude ... but shorts really aren't appropriate in the dining room for dinner, regardless of the night's dress code.

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Well, how about it. Do you like the new "smart casual". Does that include jeans in your opinion?

No, Smart Casual doesn't include jeans--at least not on a cruise, and not if the cruise line specifies "no jeans".

Do you stay dressed in your formal wear for the entire evening? Or do you get comfortable and change before you hit the shows or casinos?

If getting a good seat at the show means going immediately from the dining room to the theatre, then "formal" wear stays on. After that, it's back to change, then head out for more fun. I have never agreed with the "stay in formal wear" the entire evening concept, since there is always a percentage of passengers who opt-out for the dining room on those nights, and never put on a jacket or dress in the first place. Since no one tells them they can't mingle in public areas in this dress, who knows the difference between who went to their cabin and changed, and who never put on "formal" wear in the first place?

I, personally, see no problem with nicely presses or fancy jeans in the DR on casual nights.
Sometimes I stay in formalwear and sometimes I change. It depends on how much time I have, how I feel that evening and wheather or not I ate too much at dinner .


I am younger than the average HAL cruiser (male), and wore very expensive desginer jeans with a velvet jacket and hand-made Italian suede shoes to the company Christmas event last year (3,000 employees at a major convention center). I was the only one in jeans-- I not only looked great, but also made a real fashion statement at the same time.

When it comes to cruising, unfortunately, not everyone has the same fashion taste and sense. If the cruise lines permit jeans in the dining room, there is no way to control what type, what color, what style, and what else they are worn with. I have a pair of Levi's that would be atrocious on a cruise, yet a pair of D&G (Dolce & Gabana) when accessorized properly, would outdo any tuxedo, any day. As much as I adore high fashion--and this certainly includes jeans--I abhor poorly dressed people who look like they just came in off the farm for a bite at Burger King.

Cruising isn't for everyone. There is, however, a sufficient avid audience for whom following a dress code and putting on some nice clothes is not a bother, rather a true pleasure.

Maybe a solution to this situation would be to have different dress codes on different ships, or different sailings. At the same time, however, there are already plenty of opportunities to adorn that "come as you are" look, without other lines further contributing to the demise of an otherwise elegant travel experience.
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I have never agreed with the "stay in formal wear" the entire evening concept, since there is always a percentage of passengers who opt-out for the dining room on those nights, and never put on a jacket or dress in the first place. Since no one tells them they can't mingle in public areas in this dress, who knows the difference between who went to their cabin and changed, and who never put on "formal" wear in the first place?
Interestingly enough, there was a time on HAL (and it may still be in force ... I honestly don't know) where the dress code for the evening was for ALL public areas of the ship, with the exception of the Lido. HAL specifically asked that passengers respect the formal dress code for the ENTIRE evening. So, yes, you could get around it by dining in the Lido, but then you were restricted to either remaining up on the Lido deck or spending the rest of your evening in your cabin. You were not supposed to wander around on public decks if you were not dressed in formal attire.

Of course, that's silly ... but that was (and may still be) the "official" rule.

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Interestingly enough, there was a time on HAL (and it may still be in force ... I honestly don't know) where the dress code for the evening was for ALL public areas of the ship, with the exception of the Lido.
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Rita that was back in the 70's & 80's that the dress code was to be observed in ALL public areas - they even had signs stating "Jacket & tie for men and dresses for women" at the entrance to each public room. There was no such thing as Casual or Smart Casual nights in those days and definitely NO jeans were allowed in the dining rooms & people followed the rules.

Times have changed and personally I think it's a more relaxed atmosphere now, but in those days women didn't wear slack/pants/jeans/short/capris, etc. when we went out in the evening and men wouldn't be seen without a jacket & tie - and of course pants.

Also you dined in the evening in the dining room - there was no Lido for dinner - only breakfast and lunch.

Maruccio - your "outfit" for your Christmas party sounds smashing! Sounds like someone I know in San Francisco who dressed the same way.
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Rita that was back in the 70's & 80's that the dress code was to be observed in ALL public areas - they even had signs stating "Jacket & tie for men and dresses for women" at the entrance to each public room. There was no such thing as Casual or Smart Casual nights in those days and definitely NO jeans were allowed in the dining rooms & people followed the rules.
I took my first HAL cruise in March of 2004, and that was the guideline then ... formal dress in force throughout the ship on formal evenings. Of course, I'm not saying people honored that. It could have been the kind of rule that was pretty much ignored. I honestly don't know. It was my first cruise and I didn't know any better ... so I stayed in my cabin after dinner in the Lido on those nights. I was attending a writer's conference onboard and had assignments to do during the cruise anyway ... so staying in my cabin for the night was no big problem anyway. I just used the time productively.

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Smart casual, I don't see why not jeans. As long as they are not ripped, etc. But truely I enjoy getting dressed up, somewhat even for casual nights.
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I LOVE the formal nights! I grew up on the west coast where there is a disdain for dressing formally, so I really appriciate the occasions to dress up and look your best. I cannot believe the lack of courstesy and respect I have seen during some occasions--weddings for example where people came in looking like they had just finished doing yard work! ( These were people I KNEW had money, they were just being lazy).
Smart casual is fine, but people really ought to look at themselves and ask if they would want to be in a nice restaurant back home and look across the table at some hairy guy in a tank top, or see some poor deluded girl who is 100lbs overweight who thinks she actually looks good in low-rider jeans and a too tight tshirt. For people that choose the constantly casual lifestyle, fine---to each his/her own, but that is why the Lido buffet is open for dinner. That is the great thing about today's cruises there is a style for everyone, and we just need to be respectful of each venue.
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Yes, it's a bit more relaxed now -- and on smart casual nights, I see nothing wrong with very nice designer jeans, if the rest of the clothing is appropriate. Shorts ARE NEVER acceptable in the dining room at dinner time, (lunch and breakfast is fine) even on causal nights -- not on HAL, this is, after all, not Carnival. It shows total disrespect for fellow passengers Lots of us cruise HAL to avoid tacky. Having spent several months on HAL ships, I cannot imagine the guy mentioned above being allowed in the dining room in shorts on formal night. That does not compute.

Princess is a step or two less elegant than HAL but on our recent Princess cruise there was not a single individual so disrespectful or boorish as to wear shorts in the dining room for dinner, even on casual nights Sheesh
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I like dressing up also, and was kind of disappointed on NCL, where amazingly, I did see folks in shorts in the dining room. HAL has always been a special cruise though and Dressing up for formal nights, and even dressing a little better on 'informal' nights just added to the fun. Yes, we are more casual now, and admittedly, I usually bring dressy pants and a few dressy tops for our formal nights, whereas I used to bring gowns, but that's life. I's still fun to dress up.
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