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Old January 14th, 2009, 05:37 PM
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just for the record, i did not and do not think compensation is an issue here; nothing to warrant it. just that hal should have handled it up front.
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Old January 14th, 2009, 09:00 PM
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if this happened on a flight, you can bet at least the 'first mate' would be back there in the cabin, if not, the pilot.
My word! Let's hope the first mate AND the pilot aren't back there in the cabin. Who's then left to fly the airplane!

Seriously, though, not only would a member of the flight crew be back in the cabin addressing the problem, but I'd be willing to bet that on a flight, the troublemakers would have airport police waiting on the ground to take them into custody. This crap wouldn't go on during a flight, at least not very often.

Sad to say, the same is not true on cruise ships.

I've heard of nightmare situations ... far worse than the one that started this thread ... where gangs of juveniles practically terrorized the other passengers with their antics. No one from the ship's staff effectively addressed the situation, and the gangs created havoc on the sailing, making the other passengers miserable throughout.

Thankfully, I haven't heard too much about this sort of thing on HAL, probably because the line doesn't get anywhere near the amount of kids some of those other lines do. But when that sort of thing happens, I think the cruise line needs to get together with the parents of those kids and let them know that if their children's antics don't stop, the parents will be the ones to suffer when both they and their kids are put of the ship at the very next port. I tend to think that a warning of that type given by someone in authority, such as the Captain, will be highly effective.

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Old January 15th, 2009, 10:49 AM
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lord help us, we agree there's a chance for world peace after all. yes, i agree that a mandate from the captain would have likely been effective --- and backed up his staff. it could have been handled low-key, but very much to the point. thanks for the dialogue and your insightful comments.
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Old January 26th, 2009, 10:19 PM
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Cruise lines don't take any responsibility for handling unruly passengers. It just doesn't happen.
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Old January 27th, 2009, 10:03 AM
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Cruise lines don't take any responsibility for handling unruly passengers. It just doesn't happen.
This is very true. You see similar complaints lately on all borads.

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Old January 27th, 2009, 04:54 PM
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yes, this is a 'dead horse' i suppose, but if you read the fine print in the cruise contract i think you will find that passengers can be put off the ship in certain circumstances -- not that these 'fine folks' needed that, but the principle maintains that the master of the ship is ultimately responsible for the experience of all passengers, guests, whatever. and his or her staff are extensions of the captain. ok. my last post on this issue.
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Old January 27th, 2009, 09:08 PM
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I agree with Hombre that the Captain of the ship has an obligation to enforce code of conduct. Society is increasingly becoming more crude and inconsiderate. Part of the reason this is happening is the attitude of "letting them do their own thing". That's all well and good, but when the behavior of one person significantly disrupts another person there needs to be established accepted codes of conduct and unacceptable codes of conduct.

If the Captains took responsibility there would be fewer instances such as this, but they won't do it.
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Old February 4th, 2009, 04:50 PM
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Dear Bermuda Triangle,

I've read your review on the HAL ship, and we're going on the ship this coming fall for a 17 day East Med. cruise!
I've been going to Bda. since the early 60's--my frist trip there was on the 'Queen of Bermuda'! We've been going back for a looooonnnggg time, and now hang out at the St. George's club.
I would like to hear from you, should you have a moment to write. We live in Kansas City, and will be back on 'the rock' this coming June. Thanks for your time.
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Old February 5th, 2009, 08:43 AM
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If the Captains took responsibility there would be fewer instances such as this, but they won't do it.
I think most of the captains would step in if a passenger's behavior was truly intrusive to other passengers, or was dangerous.

I think the whole issue here is just how "intrusive" these passengers' behavior really was. Of course, the OP found it highly annoying, and maybe some other passengers did as well ... but we honestly don't know the whole story here. Were these "rowdies" onboard really doing anything wrong? Was their behavior really that annoying to the majority of the passengers in the dining room ... or was it annoying to just a small group of them, perhaps sitting nearby their table?

The cruise lines certainly don't want to quash any passengers' right to have fun while onboard. In fact, their goal is to encourage it. If these passengers were truly annoying the majority of their fellow diners, I tend to think the captain wouldn't have even had to step in at all ... the matre'd would have handled it, or even the hotel manager.

I think we have to be a bit careful here when making judgments about whether or not onboard staff should step in to quash certain behaviors. While those behaviors may be annoying to us, there could honestly be nothing wrong with them. If a table of passengers were "shouting out" to their tablemates at a nearby table, is there truly anything wrong with that? Was their behavior so intrusive as to ruin the cruise experience for other passengers? Did their behavior break any specific cruise line rules?

I'm not making judgments here one way or the other ... I'm just presenting some other possible explanations for why no one from the onboard staff intervened and put a stop to this behavior.

Let me go one step further and give another example. On my Statendam cruise last September/October, myself and a couple of friends were very annoyed with a couple who had their toddler age child in venues we thought were inappropriate for a child ... such as the Ocean Bar and casino. This behavior was extremely annoying to us because the child was clearly out of control, running around, making a pest of herself, etc. ... while the parents simply sat there enjoying their drinks and conversation with other passengers. I felt that the parents should have been spoken to by someone onboard. However, that was not the case. Quite the contrary, it seemed the child had charmed the various staff members who would stop and engage her in a friendly manner. Even some of the other passengers did this.

So, I had to admit that perhaps the child and her parents were really doing nothing wrong. Perhaps it was we who were wrong in becoming annoyed with a child who had every right to share those venues with us, since her parents had paid her fare to be onboard too. Perhaps it was we who were wrong in saying anything to her parents about the inappropriateness of them having her in those venues (which didn't do any good anyway, since they pretty much ignored the comments). Maybe, in fact, it was us who should have been spoken to by ship's management for "harrassing" this "lovely" child and her "wonderful" parents who were doing nothing other than having a good time?

Just some food for thought ...

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Old February 6th, 2009, 05:29 PM
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We have a large group of people paying good money to travel together at Christmas and have a good time
So, what did they do, they had a good time together and enjoyed their cruise. I say "good on them" I bet they livened up that ship no end!!!!
and I am guessing that they tipped the wait staff "VERY" well and that's why nothing was done to calm them down, as indeed it shouldn't have.

If you were on the ship and didn't like it, tough!!! They paid their money the same as you "paid you money and takes your chance!!!!!!"

Personally I would have loved to join the group. Anything to liven up HAL.

Get over it. Y'Know, there are people that can have a good time, yes they can get loud but hey, you are a long time dead!!!!! Live life to the full and if "some" people object "TOUGH"

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OK
We have a large group of people paying good money to travel together at Christmas and have a good time
So, what did they do, they had a good time together and enjoyed their cruise. I say "good on them" I bet they livened up that ship no end!!!!
and I am guessing that they tipped the wait staff "VERY" well and that's why nothing was done to calm them down, as indeed it shouldn't have.

If you were on the ship and didn't like it, tough!!! They paid their money the same as you "paid you money and takes your chance!!!!!!"

Personally I would have loved to join the group. Anything to liven up HAL.

Get over it. Y'Know, there are people that can have a good time, yes they can get loud but hey, you are a long time dead!!!!! Live life to the full and if "some" people object "TOUGH"

JennC
you know I wasn't there nor were you, but no, being roudy is not always acceptable. If it is interferring with others enjoyment. At least that is my feelings, you obviously feel differently. As for them tipping the crew well, I think that had absolutely nothing to do with anything. One of the biggest complaints being mentioned lately is the lack of enforcing any guidelinges on cruises..

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and as for 'enlivining hal,' most of who have sailed on hal many times don't want to be enlivened; that's the reason we don't sail on the party and kid ships like rcl, carnival, ncl, and disney. i've never found hal to be dull, but i have appreciated a bit of decorum and dignity. and table shouting doesn't seem to fit in at all. now, if hal is to become like the rest of the rowdie's, so be it, but count myself and a lot of others who are devoted to hal -- out. i could go to a fish house on shore and enjoy the same, and sometimes i do; but that is not a cruise dining experience for me.
so, in effect, don't excuse the behavior on a ship, on a line, in a venue in which it sould not be tolerated. this suggests ez cruise, and a sea version of 'chuckie cheese.' would a sex orgy in the atrium also be so excused; just folks having fun regardless of what others thought? or a religious service? or a political exponent? where is the line. polite, please, please' respect others always. just because these folks or 'little obnoxious angels" have fares paid does NOT mean they can ruin it for others.; end of.
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and as for 'enlivining hal,' most of who have sailed on hal many times don't want to be enlivened; that's the reason we don't sail on the party and kid ships like rcl, carnival, ncl, and disney. i've never found hal to be dull, but i have appreciated a bit of decorum and dignity. and table shouting doesn't seem to fit in at all. now, if hal is to become like the rest of the rowdie's, so be it, but count myself and a lot of others who are devoted to hal -- out. i could go to a fish house on shore and enjoy the same, and sometimes i do; but that is not a cruise dining experience for me.
so, in effect, don't excuse the behavior on a ship, on a line, in a venue in which it sould not be tolerated. this suggests ez cruise, and a sea version of 'chuckie cheese.' would a sex orgy in the atrium also be so excused; just folks having fun regardless of what others thought? or a religious service? or a political exponent? where is the line. polite, please, please' respect others always. just because these folks or 'little obnoxious angels" have fares paid does NOT mean they can ruin it for others.; end of.
you are right, there are cruise lines for those who enjoy the rowdy crowd and that is fine, there should be lines that appeal to all demographics. For some Carnival is the answer, for others it may be NCL or Princess. For those who like a subdued experience and refinement HAL fits the bill.

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Unfortunately, though I am sure this was annoying, there really was nothing wrong with it and I am not surprised that no one from HAL put a stop to it.
Unfortunately, holiday cruises tend to bring out large groups traveling together. That's simply because holidays and popular vacation periods like summertime tend to be the times when whole families can get together. They are out to have a good time and hence the "whooping" and hollaring back and forth. Other than being annoying, they really aren't doing anything more than having fun.

The only advice I can give you is to try and stay away from holiday sailings in the future. You will get lots of people on those cruises ... and many of them can be loud and boisterous. It's just their way of having fun.

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In my view, that behaviour was extremely ignorant and quite disrepectful of other diners attempting to enjoy a quiet & leisurely dinner in the midst of boorish & childish behaviour!!! :evil: [/i][/b]
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Should cruise lines lock paying guests in their cabins because you do not appreicate:

Their choice of attire ?
The things they discuss, over dinner ?
Their ethnicity, race, religion, sexual orientation ?
The way they parent or not ?
The way they treat the crew ?
The slowness in their gait ?
Their aggressiveness, in line ?
Their age ?
The shout out they boom across a room?
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