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If it really is that simple, why has no cruise line done that?
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I think NCL had designated smoking/nonsmoking cabins for a while, but it turned out to be a booking logistics nightmare for them, so they discontinued it.
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Yeah, the last HAL cruise we were on, last summer, was ok except it could be a gagathon sometimes. It's a total myth that you can't smell the smoke when the ship is moving. I'm one who really feels it when I'm around too much smoke. It's not only unpleasant to breathe, it's difficult to breathe. It makes my eyes burn, my chest hurt, my breathing labored.
I am one who wishes they would make it more equitable for the non-smokers.
Allowing smoking on verandahs does not make it very easy for non-smokers.
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I understand Rev. Neal's point about his mother. Maybe the cruiselines should set aside some smoking cabins for that situation. I don't see why not.
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Yeah, the last HAL cruise we were on, last summer, was ok except it could be a gagathon sometimes. It's a total myth that you can't smell the smoke when the ship is moving.
Suse, my own experience is that it's not always a myth. It depends upon where aboard the ship you're located, the weather conditions, the prevailing winds, etc. I've been in verandah cabins where the next door neighbor smoked constantly but the winds were such that most of the smoke was sucked out and away from the ship. The guy tended to smoke while standing at the rail of his verandah, and I think that helped the draft conditions some. I've been in other verandah cabins where a neighbor up-wind for me was smoking and that smoke was constantly blowing back in to my verandah so long as the ship was cruising with the wind at its back. In other words, it can vary.
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The following appeared in our Daily Program the day we stopped at Barbados on Maasdam in December.

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In October of 2010, Barbados enacted legislation to ban smoking in all public spaces. Please note, if you are found smoking in Barbados you could be fined as much as BD $$5,000 (US$$2,500), be sent to prison up to 12 months, or both.
The days of people smoking wherever they please are gone. Many countries, states, provinces are no longer permitting it.

A nurse who used to post on cruise BB's many years ago wrote something along the lines of: Everyone who smokes will have to quit sooner or later for one reason or another so you may as well do it now and get it over with. For some reason, that quote stuck in my head for a good many years.
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Good point. Spain just went non-smoking big-time. It will be interesting to see that unfold.
I've long wanted to visit many European countries, and now that I am able to, have been concerned about the smoking there. Looks like it's getting better in a number of countries.
Sail, that nurse you are referring to could be in any ICU unit in any hospital. My son was in the hospital for a long time last year, and it's fair to say, she's right.
He's never been a smoker but there were so many people in deep trouble because they were.
On that note...........I've said entirely enough.
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I think NCL had designated smoking/nonsmoking cabins 7for a while, but it turned out to be a booking logistics nightmare for them, so they discontinued it.
And years back Carnival had the totally Smoke Free Paradise. That didn't work for them at that time. So, should every cruise line take that experience and assume a non smoking ship won't work?

With specifically designed inventory management systems I don't think it would be nearly as difficult a process as when NCL attempted it. Plus they attemped it by designating different sides of the ship.

By using only aft end cabins, and only 20% of the cabins on the ship as smoking cabins, 80% of cabins would be designated non smoking. If the smoking cabins were to sell out, booking agents would inform customers at the time of booking.
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Actually, I think it would be ideal to have 80% of the cabins non-smoking on every ship. However, they're not doing that. Most ships are 100% smoking allowed, which BITES for the 80% of us who don't want to be anywhere near that stuff.
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Actually, I think it would be ideal to have 80% of the cabins non-smoking on every ship. However, they're not doing that. Most ships are 100% smoking allowed, which BITES for the 80% of us who don't want to be anywhere near that stuff.
Royal Caribbean and Celebrity both have totally NON smoking cabins. I believe MSC does as well; Carnival Spa cabins on ships with that category; Oceania and Azamara as well... and likely a couple more that aren't coming to mind.
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Royal Caribbean and Celebrity both have totally NON smoking cabins. I believe MSC does as well; Carnival Spa cabins on ships with that category; Oceania and Azamara as well... and likely a couple more that aren't coming to mind.
That's interesting. I didn't know that. I wonder if they have any trouble with the booking process if they run out of smoking or of non-smoking cabins and have people that want the opposite?
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That's interesting. I didn't know that. I wonder if they have any trouble with the booking process if they run out of smoking or of non-smoking cabins and have people that want the opposite?
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On Celebrity and Royal Caribbean "all" cabins are non-smoking. On Royal Caribbean you may smoke on the balcony on Celebrity you may not. (At least you could as of 2/10)

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On Celebrity and Royal Caribbean "all" cabins are non-smoking. On Royal Caribbean you may smoke on the balcony on Celebrity you may not. (At least you could as of 2/10)
Oh! Ok. I misunderstood. I had thought the response was to having some cabins smoking and some non-smoking. I misread the post.
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Ok, c'mon. We are all in a little virtual world here now and no one is getting smoke in their face from another poster. Lets stop being so angry. It's not necessary. Smokers know how non smokers feel, from indifferent to highly opinionated. NO reason to get nasty.

One thing that hasn't been mentioned here is that being on land is one thing, being on a ship for most of the vacation is another. You can't tell a smoker that they can't take a cruise because they will have to swim behind the boat if they want to smoke.

Also, there are many other things that are just as disgusting. Shall we go on about the people who reek of alcohol and dare to breathe in the same elevator as you?

How about the people who drench themselves in Chanel #5 (eww) before dinner and ruin someone's appetite?

How about the person with chronic BO? No stinky people allowed?

You militant non smokers breathe in smog every day of your life. Shall we stop using combustible engine transportation? Shut down the factories?

Some of these people that you want to stuff into a great big box aren't the same as each other.

I smoke. I DO NOT smoke in my cabin, because I know it's not going to go away before the next weeks passenger gets there, AND, I don't care to breathe it in when I sleep.
I look around on my verandah before I light up, and check to see if I'm going to bother someone. If I light up and hear someone I didn't know was there coughs, or hear someone close their door, I apologize and put it out. If it's not a good time for me to smoke out there, I go find a smoking bar.

I hate smoking in the casino just as much as you do. I don't like a cig trail coming into my face while sitting at a slot machine. I only smoke in there when there is no one around me. And if someone sits near me, I ask them if it will bother them.

We aren't all inconsiderate monsters.
The anger towards this is rediculous. Smokers are not people who are just out to ruin your day.
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Ok, c'mon. We are all in a little virtual world here now and no one is getting smoke in their face from another poster. Lets stop being so angry. It's not necessary. Smokers know how non smokers feel, from indifferent to highly opinionated. NO reason to get nasty.

One thing that hasn't been mentioned here is that being on land is one thing, being on a ship for most of the vacation is another. You can't tell a smoker that they can't take a cruise because they will have to swim behind the boat if they want to smoke.

Also, there are many other things that are just as disgusting. Shall we go on about the people who reek of alcohol and dare to breathe in the same elevator as you?

How about the people who drench themselves in Chanel #5 (eww) before dinner and ruin someone's appetite?

How about the person with chronic BO? No stinky people allowed?

You militant non smokers breathe in smog every day of your life. Shall we stop using combustible engine transportation? Shut down the factories?

Some of these people that you want to stuff into a great big box aren't the same as each other.

I smoke. I DO NOT smoke in my cabin, because I know it's not going to go away before the next weeks passenger gets there, AND, I don't care to breathe it in when I sleep.
I look around on my verandah before I light up, and check to see if I'm going to bother someone. If I light up and hear someone I didn't know was there coughs, or hear someone close their door, I apologize and put it out. If it's not a good time for me to smoke out there, I go find a smoking bar.

I hate smoking in the casino just as much as you do. I don't like a cig trail coming into my face while sitting at a slot machine. I only smoke in there when there is no one around me. And if someone sits near me, I ask them if it will bother them.

We aren't all inconsiderate monsters.
The anger towards this is rediculous. Smokers are not people who are just out to ruin your day.
All you say is true. The "perfect people" have narrowed their world of smell to ONE odor! Do they not drive behind another car (emissions), a non tuned up car, truck, BUS? Do they fly? Do they notice the ship's smokestack? Do they ever have clothes dry cleaned? Do women (and men) breathe in the "pleasant smell" of hair spray? What about makeup? Oh, yes, those "pleasant" smelling household cleaners. What about formaldihyde in new wood.
Then there's the acceptable odors of animal waste (and you even pick it up, some don't), baby poop and diapers, sick kids that vomit wherever. Wastewater treatment plants, sulfur smell at paper mills, yuk.
Do you suppose car and ship engines should shut down, our production mills shut down, perfume be banned, tell people with B.O. to shower, no hairspray in the beauty shops, no nailpolish, and the list goes on.
Except for a few smokers, most are aware of the smoking issues. I will continue to sail only on ships that allow smoking even though I don't smoke in the cabin. Celebrity, RCI, Azamara etc will not get my hard earned dollar, those ships are reserved for you non smoking complainers. I'm sure they are not perfect, but think they are.
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HAL has just announced that effective January 15, 2012, smoking will be banned in all passenger cabins.

Looks like Carnival Corporation decided to have all their brands roll out new policies today.
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This is definitely good news and a step in the right direction. Princess went a step further and banned smoking on the balconies.
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Three of the major cruise lines -- Carnival, Princess, and Holland America -- revised their smoking policies to ban smoking in most public spaces and all staterooms, effective Dec. 1, 2011 for Carnival and Jan. 15, 2012 for Princess and HAL.

Azamara Club Cruises and Oceania Cruises are the best cruise lines around for nonsmokers, and the worst for smokers. Both lines ban smoking in staterooms, on stateroom balconies, and in all but two small public areas aboard each of their midsize ships.

Among the megaship lines, Princess Cruises and Celebrity Cruises share top honors, with policies that ban smoking in all staterooms, on stateroom balconies, and in almost all public areas (save for designated smoking areas in some bars and lounges and designated sections of the open decks). Princess's updated policy goes into effect Jan. 15, 2012.

Among the smaller, more specialized lines, top honors go to Connecticut-based American Cruise Lines, whose small 50- to 140-passenger ships are all entirely smoke-free. Runners-up are Lindblad Expeditions and Windstar Cruises, which allow smoking only in designated outdoor areas. Luxe line SeaDream Yacht Club allows smoking only outside on decks 3, 4, and 6 -- except during dining hours, when the line's vessels become entirely smoke-free.

Smoking Regulations, Line by Line

Azamara Club Cruises

Azamara's 710-passenger Azamara Journey and Azamara Quest each have two designated smoking areas, located in the aft port-side section of the Looking Glass Lounge and on the starboard forward section of the Pool Deck. All other areas of the ships are nonsmoking, including all public rooms, restaurants, the majority of the pool deck, and all corridors, staterooms, and stateroom balconies. Smokers who ignore the rules and light up in their staterooms or on their balconies get slapped with a $250 cleaning fee, and "may be subject to further action pursuant to the Consequences Section of the line's Guest Conduct Policy.

Carnival Cruise Lines

Effective just last week, cigarette smoking in public areas aboard Carnival's ships is permitted only in dance clubs, designated areas of the casino and casino bar, certain sections of the open decks, and in the jazz clubs on Carnival Destiny, Triumph, Victory, Spirit, Pride, Legend, Miracle, Conquest, Glory, Valor, Liberty, Freedom, and Splendor. Cigar smoking is also permitted in the jazz clubs and, on some vessels, in designated on-deck spaces. As of Dec. 1, 2011, smoking will be forbidden in staterooms fleetwide, though it will still be permitted on stateroom balconies (except those attached to spa staterooms aboard Carnival Splendor, Dream, and Magic).

Celebrity Cruises

Celebrity's 10 megaships are officially designated as nonsmoking, with smoking prohibited in staterooms, on stateroom balconies, and in most public areas. Smoking is permitted in designated sections of some public bars/lounges and designated sections of the outside decks. As aboard sister-line Azamara, smokers who ignore the rules and light up in their staterooms or on their balconies are penalized with a $250 cleaning fee and may be subject to further action, up to and including being booted off the ship at the next port of call and left to get home on their own.

Costa Cruises

Smoking is permitted in staterooms and private balconies and in designated areas of most public rooms on board Costa ships. It's prohibited in the restaurants, theaters, corridors, elevators, and stairwells.

Crystal Cruises

Most public areas aboard Crystal's two midsize luxury ships are smoke-free, including the main dining room, the bistro, the alternative restaurants, the show lounge, and the indoor portions of the buffet restaurant. Cigarette smoking is permitted in staterooms, on stateroom balconies, and at designated tables in most bars and lounges. Pipes and cigars are permitted only in the Connoisseur Club and on most open decks (except all areas of the Lido Deck -- Deck 11 on Crystal Symphony, Deck 12 on Crystal Serenity). Pipes and cigars are prohibited in staterooms, on stateroom balconies, and in the ships' corridors.

Cunard Line

Cunard recently amended its smoking policy and now prohibits smoking in all staterooms and all indoor public areas except Churchill's Cigar Lounge, where only cigars are welcome (no cigarettes, please). Smoking is permitted in designated sections of the open decks and from private stateroom balconies.

Disney Cruise Line

Smoking is prohibited in all staterooms on Disney's three ships, though it is permitted on stateroom balconies. In the public areas, regulations vary by ship: Aboard Disney Magicand Disney Wonder, guests can light up outdoors (a) on the starboard side of Deck 4 between 6pm and 6am, and (b) on the starboard side of Decks 9 and 10, except in the "Mickey's Pool" area. Aboard the new Disney Dream, smokers can do their thing (a) on the starboard side of Deck 4 between 6pm and 6am, (b) on the starboard side of the outdoor Currents bar on Deck 13 forward, and (c) on the outdoor smoking deck attached to the Meridian Lounge on Deck 12 aft. Passengers discovered trying to smoke in their staterooms are charged a $250 "stateroom recovery fee" that covers "air filter replacement, carpet extraction and the cleaning and replacement of drapes, comforters, blankets and pillows."

Holland America Line

Holland America currently permits smoking in the casino, the sports bar, in sections of the outside decks, in staterooms, and on stateroom balconies, and in either the Northern Lights Disco (aboard Eurodam, Oosterdam, Noordam, Nieuw Amsterdam, Westerdam, and Zuiderdam) or the Crow's Nest lounge (on all the line's other ships). Cigar and pipe smoking is only permitted in sections of the outside decks. Beginning Jan. 15, 2012, smoking will be banned in all staterooms, though it will still be permitted on stateroom balconies.

Lindblad Expeditions

Smoking is permitted only in designated outdoor areas on Lindblad's small, expedition-oriented ships. No smoking is permitted anywhere inside.

MSC Cruises

Smoking is permitted in several bars on each MSC ship and on one side of the principal outdoor pool deck areas. It's also permitted (though "highly discouraged") in staterooms, but is forbidden on stateroom balconies.

Norwegian Cruise Line


Smoking is prohibited in most public areas aboard NCL's ships. Cigarette smoking is permitted only in staterooms, on stateroom balconies, in the casino, in the Cigar Bar (on ships that have them), and on open decks (except near food venues, sport decks, kids' pool areas, and other designated non-smoking zones). Pipe and cigar smokers must contain themselves to the Cigar Bar or designated smoking lounge and to the smoking zones on the outside decks.

Oceania Cruises

Smoking is banned practically everywhere aboard Oceania's four midsize ships, including staterooms, stateroom balconies, and almost all public areas. Cigarette smoking is permitted only in the forward starboard corner of the Pool Deck (Deck 9) and in the aft port corner of Horizons observation lounge (Deck 10). Cigar and pipe smoking is only permitted on the forward starboard corner of the Pool Deck. Guests who flout the line's smoking policy "will be disembarked at the next port of call and may also be subject to additional fees" to cover cleaning.

Princess Cruises

Currently, Princess allows smoking in designated smoking areas that include cigar lounges, a section of the nightclub and casino, and portions of the open decks, as well as in staterooms and on stateroom balconies. After Jan. 15, 2012, smoking will be prohibited in all staterooms and stateroom balconies, and smokers who try to sneak a smoke there will be fined $250 per occurrence, charged to their stateroom account.

Regent Seven Seas Cruises

Regent Seven Seas Cruises prohibits smoking in all staterooms and stateroom balconies, as well as in most public rooms and all food-service areas (except designated areas of the pool grills). Smoking is permitted on outdoor decks and in the casino, the cigar lounge, and the pool bar, as well as in a designated area of the nightclub and an outside portion of the observation lounge. Pipe smoking is only permitted in the cigar lounge, while cigars may be smoked there and in a designated section of the Pool Bar. "Failure to comply with this ban will result in guests being asked to leave the ship at their expense," says the line's FAQs, "without refund or credit for the unused portion of their cruise."

Royal Caribbean International

Smoking is prohibited in staterooms and most public areas aboard Royal Caribbean's ships. Designated smoking areas vary by ship but are generally located outdoors on one side of the vessel, in designated areas of the ships' bars and lounges, and on private balconies (except those aboard Oasis and Allure of the Seas that face inward, toward the ships' open-air Boardwalk and Central Park neighborhoods). Pipe and cigar smoking is permitted only in cigar lounges (on ships that have them) or in another designated area (on ships that don't). A $250 cleaning fee is levied on anyone caught smoking in their staterooms or on inward-facing private balconies.

Seabourn Cruise Line

Aboard Seabourn's six small luxury ships, smoking is permitted in staterooms, on stateroom balconies, on the starboard sides of the Sky Bar and Observation Bar, and in designated areas on deck. Pipe and cigar smoking is permitted only outside on deck on the vessels' starboard sides, except during on-deck meal service.

SeaDream Yacht Club

Smoking is prohibited in all indoor areas of SeaDream's two 110-passenger luxury ships, including their staterooms. No staterooms aboard these ships have private balconies, so that's not an option either. Smoking is only permitted outdoors on Decks 3, 4, and 6, except during meal hours.

Silversea Cruises

Aboard Silversea's luxury ships, smoking is permitted only in staterooms, at designated tables in some bars and lounges, and in specifically designated outside areas on the open deck. Cigar and pipe smoking are only permitted in the Connoisseur's Corner cigar clubs and in designated outside areas on one or two decks, depending on the ship. Smoking is not permitted on private verandas.

Star Clippers

The three Star Clippers sailing ships follow a no-smoking policy in the staterooms and in all public areas except the outside decks and a designated portion of the piano bar lounge. Pipe and cigar smoking is allowed only on open decks.

Windstar Cruises

Aboard Windstar, smoking is prohibited in all staterooms and all enclosed public areas. It's permitted only in designated areas on the open decks.
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We have been hearing rumors surrounding a more restrictive smoking policy and an interactive television poised to go fleet wide. Anyone else here this?
Well, the rumors about a more restrictive smoking policy are correct, starting January, 2012, but I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for interactive televisions to go fleet wide!
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