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nurseamy99 February 23rd, 2009 10:27 PM

Safety In Mexico??
 
:?: Hi Everyone

I have a Mexican Riviera cruise comming up. I currently live in Tucson (which is about 45 min from the Mexican border) In our area they have advised no Americans should travel into Mexico unless out of neccesity due to increasing violence with the drug cartels. They are even asking for college students to not travel down for spring break.

Am I just being paranoid? but now I have some concerns getting off at our ports in Mexico. Has anyone else heard anything about Cabo, Puerto, & Maztln.

Thanks! Amy

Jeff of Torrance February 23rd, 2009 10:56 PM

It would be best to stay in your cabin, with the door bolted. :evil:

Other than that, the cruise ports are probably more safe than attending those ridiculous art auctions.

nurseamy99 February 23rd, 2009 11:13 PM

LOL thanks Jeff & I agree with you about the art auctions!

Amy

Pixie Dust February 24th, 2009 09:19 PM

Hi Amy: we sailed the Mexican Riviera on the Sapphire last week and spent time in each port. We grabbed a cab in Puerto Vallarta and did some sightseeing/shopping on our own. We took the Salsa and Salsa tour in Mazatlan and had a blast! If you enjoy salsa, chips, marguaritas and laughs, don't miss this one. We didn't take a tour in Cabo, but walked around the downtown, beach area, and visited Cabo Wabo.

If you have safety concerns about visiting the various ports, you might consider siging up for one of the tours offered through the ship.

Let me know if you have any other questions. Happy cruising!

Pixie

nurseamy99 March 2nd, 2009 11:39 PM

Hi Pixie,

Thanks for the response. Just wondering how did you get to the beach in Cabo? We have always wanted to do that there.

Thanks much! Amy

katlady March 3rd, 2009 10:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nurseamy99
Hi Pixie,

Thanks for the response. Just wondering how did you get to the beach in Cabo? We have always wanted to do that there.

Thanks much! Amy

Hi Amy,
There are water taxis in port. I'm guessing you want the beach under the arch it is called "Lovers Beach." Be careful because Cabo lays between to seas. The sea of Cortez and the Pacific ocean. The Pacific Ocean is rough waters and difficult to swim in. The Sea of Cortez is smooth waters and better for Swimming. Lover's beach is on the Sea of Cortez side so you should be okay. Here is more information.
http://www.loscabosguide.com/beaches/lovers.htm
We went to Medano Beach it's also on the Sea of Cortez and it has more people. But you can get a nice chair and they bring you drinks(for a fee).
http://www.loscabosguide.com/beaches/medano.htm
Here is a picture of Medano Beach if you look closely you can see my arm. :D
http://www.cruisemates.com/gallery/g...3459/64079.jpg

nurseamy99 March 3rd, 2009 05:21 PM

:D

Hi Pixie,

Thanks so much for the info! We really appreciate it. We leave in 5 days & we are so excited. I need a break for sure. Do you have your next cruise planned yet? Addicting huh? LOL

Thanks again!

Amy

Ine March 4th, 2009 05:11 PM

We are staying in P. Vallarta during winter for 2 months.
Let me tell you there are thousands and thousands others doing that too. Not only here but also in other places on the Mexican Riviera. This apart from more thousands visiting by cruise-ships.
Yes you will be safe, but use your common sense.

Jeff of Torrance March 5th, 2009 06:42 PM

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Just wondering how did you get to the beach in Cabo? We have always wanted to do that there.
Cabo San Lucas. We always walk to Solimar Beach via the lobby of the Hotel Solimar, and go south to the end of the beach for a little sunning. There is no charge for passing through the hotel. In fact, they seem to welcome anyone who visits. During a recent visit a Mexican father and son asked us if we wanted to be shown how to go the Honeymoon Beach (which is an "excursion" for the cruise lines). I always thought that one could get there if you don't mind a little bit of "boulder hopping." We politely declined, but they continued on over the rocks. I later climbed to the top of the "first bit of rocks," which revealed that it would take another bit of boulder hopping to actually get to that beach. WE usually spend an hour or two on the beach, which is almost vacant of people, before going back to the hotel. At any rate, we usually go back to the Hotel Solimar for a couple of fish tacos and a beer before returning back to the ship. To get to Solimar Beach, just go towards the Pacific Ocean off of the cruise dock (it's only about 1/4 mile). We saw whales off of Cabo, plus I witnessed a stingray leaping and flipping near the ship on one trip on the Golden Princess.

nurseamy99 March 5th, 2009 10:51 PM

Thanks Jeff I think we will give that a try.

Amy :D

Trip March 12th, 2009 08:25 PM

I am cutting & pasting what Marc posted on athother forum, when asked this question....hope it helps.



Travel Alert
U.S. DEPARTMENT OF STATE
Bureau of Consular Affairs
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This information is current as of today, Wed Mar 11 06:45:58 2009.

Mexico

February 20, 2009


This Travel Alert updates security information for U.S. citizens traveling and living in Mexico. It supersedes the Travel Alert for Mexico dated October 15, 2008, and expires on August 20, 2009.

While millions of U.S. citizens safely visit Mexico each year (including thousands who cross the land border every day for study, tourism or business), violence in the country has increased recently. It is imperative that travelers understand the risks of travel to Mexico, how best to avoid dangerous situations, and whom to contact if one becomes a crime victim. Common-sense precautions such as visiting only legitimate business and tourist areas during daylight hours, and avoiding areas where prostitution and drug dealing might occur, can help ensure that travel to Mexico is safe and enjoyable.

Crime and Violence Throughout Mexico

The greatest increase in violence has occurred near the U.S. border. However, U.S. citizens traveling throughout Mexico should exercise caution in unfamiliar areas and be aware of their surroundings at all times. Mexican and foreign bystanders have been injured or killed in violent attacks in cities across the country, demonstrating the heightened risk of violence in public places. In recent years, dozens of U.S. citizens have been kidnapped across Mexico. Many of these cases remain unresolved. U.S. citizens who believe they are being targeted for kidnapping or other crimes should notify Mexican officials and the nearest American consulate or the Embassy as soon as possible, and should consider returning to the United States.

U.S. citizens should make every attempt to travel on main roads during daylight hours, particularly the toll ("cuota") roads, which generally are more secure. Occasionally, the U.S. Embassy and consulates advise their employees as well as private U.S. citizens to avoid certain areas, abstain from driving on certain roads because of dangerous conditions or criminal activity, or recommend driving during daylight hours only. When warranted, U.S. government employees are restricted from traveling to or within parts of Mexico without prior approval from their supervisors. When this happens, the Embassy or the affected consulate will alert the local U.S. citizen Warden network and post the information on their respective websites, indicating the nature of the concern and the expected time period for which the restriction will remain in place. U.S. citizen visitors are encouraged to stay in the well-known tourist areas of the cities. Travelers should leave their itinerary with a friend or family member not traveling with them, avoid traveling alone, and should check with their cellular provider prior to departure to confirm that their cell phone is capable of roaming on GSM or 3G international networks. Do not display expensive-looking jewelry, large amounts of money, or other valuable items.

Violence Along the U.S. - Mexico Border

Mexican drug cartels are engaged in an increasingly violent conflict - both among themselves and with Mexican security services - for control of narcotics trafficking routes along the U.S.-Mexico border. In order to combat violence, the government of Mexico has deployed troops in various parts of the country. U.S. citizens should cooperate fully with official checkpoints when traveling on Mexican highways.

Some recent Mexican army and police confrontations with drug cartels have resembled small-unit combat, with cartels employing automatic weapons and grenades. Large firefights have taken place in many towns and cities across Mexico but most recently in northern Mexico, including Tijuana, Chihuahua City and Ciudad Juarez. During some of these incidents, U.S. citizens have been trapped and temporarily prevented from leaving the area. The U.S. Mission in Mexico currently restricts non-essential travel to the state of Durango and all parts of the state of Coahuila south of Mexican Highways 25 and 22 and the Alamos River for U.S. government employees assigned to Mexico. This restriction was implemented in light of the recent increase in assaults, murders, and kidnappings in those two states. The situation in northern Mexico remains fluid; the location and timing of future armed engagements cannot be predicted.

A number of areas along the border are experiencing rapid growth in the rates of many types of crime. Robberies, homicides, petty thefts, and carjackings have all increased over the last year across Mexico generally, with notable spikes in Tijuana and northern Baja California. Ciudad Juarez, Tijuana and Nogales are among the cities which have recently experienced public shootouts during daylight hours in shopping centers and other public venues. Criminals have followed and harassed U.S. citizens traveling in their vehicles in border areas including Nuevo Laredo, Matamoros, and Tijuana.

The situation in Ciudad Juarez is of special concern. Mexican authorities report that more than 1,800 people have been killed in the city since January 2008. Additionally, this city of 1.6 million people experienced more than 17,000 car thefts and 1,650 carjackings in 2008. U.S. citizens should pay close attention to their surroundings while traveling in Ciudad Juarez, avoid isolated locations during late night and early morning hours, and remain alert to news reports. A recent series of muggings near the U.S. Consulate General in Ciudad Juarez targeted applicants for U.S. visas. Visa and other service seekers visiting the Consulate are encouraged to make arrangements to pay for those services using a non-cash method.

U.S. citizens are urged to be alert to safety and security concerns when visiting the border region. Criminals are armed with a wide array of sophisticated weapons. In some cases, assailants have worn full or partial police or military uniforms and have used vehicles that resemble police vehicles. While most crime victims are Mexican citizens, the uncertain security situation poses serious risks for U.S. citizens as well. U.S. citizen victims of crime in Mexico are urged to contact the consular section of the nearest U.S. consulate or Embassy for advice and assistance. Contact information is provided at the end of this message.

Demonstrations and Large Public Gatherings

Demonstrations occur frequently throughout Mexico and usually are peaceful. However, even demonstrations intended to be peaceful can turn confrontational and escalate to violence unexpectedly. Violent demonstrations have resulted in deaths, including that of an American citizen in Oaxaca in 2006. In 2008, a Mexican Independence Day celebration was the target of a violent attack. During demonstrations or law enforcement operations, U.S. citizens are advised to remain in their homes or hotels, avoid large crowds, and avoid the downtown and surrounding areas. Since the timing and routes of scheduled marches and demonstrations are always subject to change, U.S. citizens should monitor local media sources for new developments and exercise extreme caution while within the vicinity of protests. The Mexican Constitution prohibits political activities by foreigners, and such actions may result in detention and/or deportation. U.S. citizens are therefore advised to avoid participating in demonstrations or other activities that might be deemed political by Mexican authorities. As is always the case in any large gathering, U.S. citizens should remain alert to their surroundings.

Further Information

For more detailed information on staying safe in Mexico, please see the Mexico Country Specific Information at: http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_p...s/cis_970.html. Information on security and travel to popular tourist destinations is also provided in the publication: "Spring Break in Mexico- Know Before You Go!!" at http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_p...xico_2812.html For the latest security information, U.S. citizens traveling abroad should regularly monitor the Department's internet web site at http://travel.state.gov where the current Worldwide Caution, Travel Warnings, and Travel Alerts can be found. Up-to-date information on security can also be obtained by calling 1-888-407-4747 toll free in the United States and canada, or, for callers from Mexico, a regular toll line at 001-202-501-4444. These numbers are available from 8:00 a.m. to 8:00 p.m. Eastern Time, Monday through Friday (except U.S. federal holidays). American citizens traveling or residing overseas are encouraged to register with the appropriate U.S. Embassy or Consulate on the State Department's travel registration website at https://travelregistration.state.gov/.

For any emergencies involving U.S. citizens in Mexico, please contact the closest U.S. Embassy or Consulate. The U.S. Embassy is located in Mexico City at Paseo de la Reforma 305, Colonia Cuauhtemoc, telephone from the United States: 011-52-55-5080-2000; telephone within Mexico City: 5080-2000; telephone long distance within Mexico 01-55-5080-2000. You may also contact the Embassy by e-mail at: ccs@usembassy.net.mx. The Embassy's internet address is http://www.usembassy-mexico.gov/.

Consulates:

Ciudad Juarez: Paseo de la Victoria 3650, tel. (52)(656) 227-3000. http://ciudadjuarez.usconsulate.gov.
Guadalajara: Progreso 175, telephone (52)(333) 268-2100. http://guadalajara.usconsulate.gov/.
Hermosillo: Avenida Monterrey 141, telephone (52)(662) 289-3500. http://hermosillo.usconsulate.gov.
Matamoros: Avenida Primera 2002, telephone (52)(868) 812-4402. http://matamoros.usconsulate.gov.
Merida: Calle 60 no. 338 k, telephone (52)(999) 942-5700. http://merida.usconsulate.gov.
Monterrey: Avenida Constitucion 411 Poniente, telephone (52)(818) 047-3100. http://monterrey.usconsulate.gov.
Nogales: Calle San Jose, Nogales, Sonora, telephone (52)(631) 311-8150. http://nogales.usconsulate.gov.
Nuevo Laredo: Calle Allende 3330, col. Jardin, telephone (52)(867) 714-0512. http://nuevolaredo.usconsulate.gov/.
Tijuana: Tapachula 96, telephone (52)(664) 622-7400. http://tijuana.usconsulate.gov/service.html.

Consular Agencies:

Acapulco: Hotel Continental Emporio, Costera Miguel Aleman 121 - local 14, telephone (52)(744) 484-0300 or (52)(744) 469-0556.
Cabo San Lucas: Blvd. Marina local c-4, Plaza Nautica, col. Centro, telephone (52)(624) 143-3566.
Cancún: Plaza Caracol two, second level, no. 320-323, Boulevard Kukulcan, km. 8.5, Zona Hotelera, telephone (52)(998) 883-0272.
Ciudad Acuña: Ocampo # 305, col. Centro, telephone (52)(877) 772-8661
Cozumel: Plaza Villa Mar en el Centro, Plaza Principal, (Parque Juárez between Melgar and 5th ave.) 2nd floor, locales #8 and 9, telephone (52)(987) 872-4574.
Ixtapa/Zihuatanejo: Hotel Fontan, Blvd. Ixtapa, telephone (52)(755) 553-2100.
Mazatlán: Hotel Playa Mazatlán, Playa Gaviotas #202, Zona Dorada, telephone (52)(669) 916-5889.
Oaxaca: Macedonio Alcalá no. 407, interior 20, telephone (52)(951) 514-3054 (52)(951) 516-2853.
Piedras Negras: Abasolo #211, Zona Centro, Piedras Negras, Coah., Tel. (878) 782-5586.
Playa del Carmen: "The Palapa," Calle 1 Sur, between Avenida 15 and Avenida 20, telephone (52)(984) 873-0303.
Puerto Vallarta: Paradise Plaza, Paseo de los Cocoteros #1, Local #4, Interior #17, Nuevo Vallarta, Nayarit, telephone (52)(322) 222-0069.
Reynosa: Calle Monterrey #390, Esq. Sinaloa, Colonia Rodr*guez, telephone: (52)(899) 923 - 9331
San Luis Potos*: Edificio "Las Terrazas", Avenida Venustiano Carranza 2076-41, Col. Polanco, telephone: (52)(444) 811-7802/7803.
San Miguel de Allende: Dr. Hernandez Macias #72, telephone (52)(415) 152-2357 or (52)(415) 152-0068.




You pay your money and take your chances.

By the way, the State Department does have great up to date information on travelling to all areas of the world; great place to start research.


_________________
marc

Chuck Palm March 14th, 2009 05:42 PM

I've been wanting to answer this thread for a few weeks. David and I love Mexico and have travelled extensively in many parts of Mexico, coastal and inland, rural and urban, touristy and not-so-touristy. Mexico is a very safe place to visit and/or live. You just need to be cautious and not do stupid things.

That said, I just heard today that a friend (actually more of an acquaintence) of ours was murdered in Guadalajara this week. It was a tragic event. However he was a huge risk taker that liked to find himself in
dangerous places doing very risky things with people he did not know.
This does make me pause and think. However I must add we are cruising to Mexico 3-28 on the Saphire Princess and have no fears about safety at all. Go figure!

Ine March 15th, 2009 10:03 AM

Sorry to hear about your friend and what happened. I cannot judge what or where it happened.
But donot forget Guadalajara is the 2nd largest city of Mexico with about 5 million people living there.
As in any major city worldwide there will be sections where a tourist shouldnot go to avoid danger.
As mentioned before places along the coast where thousands of people are on vacation are safe in general.

seatraveller April 26th, 2009 11:13 AM

Hi everyone,

We cruised the Riviera a few weeks ago and had a great time. We did not hear of any problems in Cabo, Mazatlan or Puerto Vallarta. Enjoy

DeepSpace August 19th, 2010 01:54 AM

Hi Amy99,
My wife and I have traveled to Mexico many times, and we have never had a problem with safety. As for tours try one that the ship offers, and see how you like that, or stay with a group when you are in port. In Cabo have some lunch at the Shrimp Factory, its always full of visitors and the food is great. Hope you have a great time.

robh August 19th, 2010 02:22 AM

The Year is August 2010
 
Lovely in the Forum says NEW Posts but it was posted in early 2009.

All good advice and most cruise ports are fine.
The ship security and purser would advise if any concern about this port.

FirstCruise_1958 September 1st, 2010 09:40 AM

Current Violence In Mexico
 
I too have been concerned as I will be in Mexico in a few weeks. I posted the below on a Carnival site, but now see that maybe the information might be more useful here.

The other cruise boards (not cruisemates) keep erasing references to the violence.

The CURRENT news is that there have been multiple murders in Cozumel. Cancun, 45 miles from Cozumel, has had mass murders including tortures, hearts being ripped out of many people, etc. The attack yesterday resulted in 8 killed at a bar in Cancun. Mass graves have been found in caves near Cancun. U.S. officials have been murdered. 28,000 murders attributed to the current civil war over drugs and control of the country. The Cancun mayor recently arrested for drug corruption. Yesterday 10% of the entire Mexican police force was fired and more, many more, coming. The Wall Street Journal reported two days ago that those corrupt police (to the extent they have not already) will go to work for the drug lords. In short, there is a civil war and breakdown of security. The U.S. State Department has a strongly worded warning about being in Mexico and many U.S. families have been evacuated.

In short, those who talk about things being safe are not current on the realities or have a vested interest. Tourist areas are not only are not inherently immune, they are a target for those who want to ruin the economy so as to take over control of the government of Mexico.

We all need to keep each other informed and raise concerns so that we all are protected. The travel industry and the U.S. government may not do anything proactively. Note the World Trade events when (I was there for the first one) many knew that there was a high probability of a follow-up attack but failed to prevent it. Also, note Hurricane Katrina and how there was advance warnings but no government response even after many days/weeks/years.

I am not trying to spoil the party, but let us all make sure we are not having so much fun that we ignore the flames!

Ine September 2nd, 2010 06:48 AM

Donot overpanic please. Most murders in mexico are drugsrelated and no tourists are involved. Realise that also in many USA and European cities killings etc. happen, (often also drugsrelated) not just mexico.

Maybe this link to a recent article in the Economists tells you more:
http://www.economist.com/blogs/gulliver/2010/08/mexico

Ine September 2nd, 2010 12:48 PM

One more:
Opening our eyes to the real Mexico | News for Dallas, Texas | Dallas Morning News | Columnist Steve Blow | Dallas-Fort Worth News

Barryn514 December 24th, 2010 10:37 AM

We cruise to Mexico often since we live in San Diego and have never had a problem. We also own a time share in Mazatlan, and just got back on last month. We have been going to Mexico every year for 19 plus years and no problems.

Keep in mind that saying in or around the golden zone is your best option. Don't go wondering off. :)


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