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Old September 10th, 2003, 06:27 PM
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I want to go on record as saying that I agree completely with luv2cruise. I signed on to this site to obtain information about the Dawn, and this is very disconcerting to see such hostility over such a minor matter. The know-it-all attitudes and attacks on the man who posted the original message, his child, and his wife are pathetic. The leap from taking a child to the pool in a swim diaper to stating that he was letting his child run wild on the ship are ludicrous. No one defended any conduct allowing children to misbehave on the ship, so the ranting and raving on that subject give great insight into the character of the individuals making those statements. How did this get from "I wasn't advised in a manner that was acceptable to me that my child was not allowed to swim in the kiddie pool in swim diapers" to "we welcome your children and want them to do whatever makes you happy"? If you want to spend your precious vacation time reading all the material that's presented, that's fine, but don't attack others who don't choose to spend their time that way. And it's laughable to think that reading all the material makes the person reading the material superior in any way. The man who posted the original message was disappointed that he was not provided the information that he needed to plan for and enjoy his cruise, and he has a legitimate point. Others have tried to say this very nicely, but some of the users of this thread just don't respond to nice. How sad for them. I agree with luv2cruise--gripe to your friends, but we don't want to hear about it.
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Old September 10th, 2003, 08:58 PM
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My family will not swim in ship's pools anymore. Too afraid of ilness and infection. If parents are insulted.. thats too bad..
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Old September 10th, 2003, 09:32 PM
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happy cruizin, I don't think anyone ever referred to John letting his little girl run wild, where did you get that? If he chosse not to read his newsletter that's his choice, but the rules were very clear, no diapers! When he or his wife arrived at the pool and were told she (being the little girl, not his wife) could not swim that should have been enough. I was taught to abide by rules and policies. Incidentally, we all have a right to voice our opinions on this board whether we agree or we do not agree. John has a right, you do and certainly the rest of us, who disagree with you do. Luv2cruise, I am a Travel agent, only outside sales now, but am a TA. It seems a bit strong when you suggest we need to see a shrink, get a life or whatever else you have said. This is obviously a subject that is very heated and for good reason.

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Old September 11th, 2003, 01:53 AM
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"If you want to spend your precious vacation time reading the material presented that's fine, but don't attack others who choose not to spend their time that way."

Excuse me??? The information is provided to you, it is UP TO YOU to take the time to digest it! I can and will blame someone who is provided the information and choses NOT to read it! That is their fault, period! And it takes a max of what, TWO OR THREE minutes to read it? Can save you a heck of a lot of hassle and disappointment later on.

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Old September 11th, 2003, 09:22 AM
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I agree that it is one persons decision as to what is believed to be right, however NCL should ensure that the right information is passed onto its TA's so that the clients can be better prepared for the experience that lies ahead.
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Old September 11th, 2003, 09:33 AM
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Good grief. Now we're going to get on a rant about how long it takes to read the info? Puh-leez. Maybe a separate thread should be started on that matter. I agree with happy cruzin'--there's a lot of material, and if John missed one piece of information, that's completely understandable. It's amazing that others would be so inflexible. I don't like traveling with or being around people like that.
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Old September 11th, 2003, 09:35 AM
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Jessica's point is valid, and many of the other statements made on this site are not. NCL should provide accurate and complete information to the passengers and to the travel agents. The information on this thread verifies that NCL is not doing that for this particular subject (swim diapers in pools).
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Old September 11th, 2003, 10:12 AM
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My point is, irregrdless of whether John or anybody else reads the daily newsletter, there should be some thought given as to whether you risk the enjoyment and health of others on the ship just so your 3 year old can go into the pool. There are 2,200 other people on the ship other than John, his wife and his kid. People have strong opinions on the matter and this is warranted, with all of the viruses being passed through on these ships nowadays (who wants to bet that the Regal Princess problem was passed through the pool) you can't be too careful. There is no excuse for putting other people in the line of fire because you don't see a problem with urine and fecal matter in a swimming pool. Nobody can disagree with it, and if you do, go to the bathroom in your own pool....
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Old September 11th, 2003, 03:48 PM
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I have been reading this over and over again. As a TA I feel that parents should use some common sense but what their children can and can not do in a public place or pool...If a client asks us about rules for the children, we check it out with the cruiseline and advise...If I were a parent, I don't think I would like my child in the pool with others in swimmies..they are not foolproof....John and his wife need to think "outside the box" and consider others on the ship, not just themselves...
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Old September 13th, 2003, 02:13 AM
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I suppose I have the right to express my opinion, too. I tend to agree with Dr. Phil that it is a great deal easier to potty-train a normal child in a short period of time than some others in this thread do, and in my opinion, it is probably beneficial to the child's self-esteem not to be untrained when his little friends are already out of diapers.
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Old September 13th, 2003, 06:51 AM
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Well, Yikes, yes that's your opinion and if you have kids then you've had some experience but if you haven't had kids then you really can't say. It's like my sister-in-law who used to get upset when she'd see her nieces and nephews running around at Christmas and people would tell her..."just wait until you have your own" and she'd say that hers would never be out of control like that. Well, guess what...she now has her own and they are the worst of the bunch! My point is that it's really easy to sit in judgement when you aren't the accused and it's really not your business or anyone else's as to why John's daughter was in diapers. The point is....she WAS in diapers on the cruise and hopefully when the crew told John's wife that she'd have to leave the pool, they didn't also give her a lecture on potty training. Because really, that has nothing to do with it.
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Old September 14th, 2003, 09:22 AM
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I really do not care what Dr. Phil says; children are only ready to be potty-trained when they are READY - it probably is a combination of biological and emotional factors. One cannot force a child to be potty-trained, no matter how inconvenient or how much society frowns upon the un-potty-trained child.
There are probably many parents here who have well-meaning relatives (not to mention strangers) who grew up with the notion that children should be potty-trained ASAP and who are not afraid to tell the parents their opinions. All we can do is try to train the kids, but it is up to them to finally "catch on" and to voluntarily potty-train.

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Old September 14th, 2003, 09:58 AM
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OMG Let it go already!
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Old September 16th, 2003, 02:07 AM
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If rules like this discourage parents from bringing young children aboard, I for one would like to see more rules like this! Keep 'em home or take them on Disney.
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Old September 16th, 2003, 12:25 PM
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Or maybe you should book an adults-only cruise since the cruise lines are marketing to families.
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Old September 16th, 2003, 01:16 PM
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enough....let it go
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Old April 23rd, 2004, 06:17 PM
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i APOLOGIZE TO EVERYONE FOR WRITING IN CAPS. i WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT NEITHER I NOR MY WIFE CREATED A RUCKUS AT THE POOL WHEN TOLD TO GET MY DAUGHTER OUT OF THE POOL. fIRST OF ALL IT WAS A BABY WADING POOL. THERE WERE TWO OTHER MOTHERS WHO HAD NEW BORNS IN IT. ALTHOUGH THEY WERE NOT WEARING ANY TYPE OF DIAPERS. They were not asked to leave. And I assume the two month old was potty trained.sO I ASSUME THAT THIS IS ALRIGHT. OOPS did it again. I would never blatantly subject anyone to any health risks. But when a cruise company markets its cruise to family's and shows photos of a baby wading pool than some clarification should be made. I Have time shares in Disney and have never had a problem with children swimming in those pools. Nita you need to get married and have some kids, honey. It appears you have no idea how the other half lives. I would not let my daughter swim in the adult pool only the "baby" wading pool. Furhtemore you must be very niave to believe all of your drunken guests are not relieving themselves in the adult pool every now and then. Everyone knows that kids are potty trained at different age levels. That is persons who have trained kids. And what is the policy of Disney cruise?
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Old April 23rd, 2004, 11:58 PM
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Hello everyone. I would just first like to start by saying that I do not have any children; but after reading this thread for the first time today, there are a few comments I would like to make. First, to clear things up, John, you originally said that your wife was told to leave the pool, but you and your daughter were the ones escorted away by security. I'm sorry for mentioning this small detail, it was just bothering me. Also, John, just so you know, Nita mentioned in an earlier post on this thread that she had grandchildren, so I'm sure she has had experience with having child(ren). Just wanted to say that so you would be prepared for her telling you that later.

Now, I don't agree with security escorting you away if there was no scene caused. That may be overkill, which we all know happens sometimes, even on NCL. However, they did have every right to ask you to leave. You may not have be expressly told ahead of time that non-potty trained children are not allowed the pool, but it was in writing in several places. It is just like those bringing alcohol on board finding out at the pier that their tickets explicitly state that alcohol will be confiscated. They would not be allowed to bring it on just because no one told them ahead of time. Also (I'm really not trying to be sarcastic here), if you had never read the Bill of Rights, you would still be expected to honor someone's right of free speech.

However, I do have to applaud you for at least putting the swim diaper on your daughter. Everyone assumes that the 3 or 4 year old swimming next to you (hypothetically) with "big boy" swimming trunks on is potty trained, but you never know. Their mother could have read "no swim diapers" ahead of time and decided to let him go in with just a bathing suit on, if you know what I mean. Same goes for the infants you mentioned. At least you tried to be sanitary. Also, I often wonder sometimes when I am swimming in a pool (even the adult pool on cruise ships) and I see 7 or 8 year olds having fun, if they are thinking, "Uh-oh, I have to use the bathroom, but I am having too much fun here...oh well, no one will know..." You never know if you are in a truly sanitary environment, but NCL tries it's best.

In addtion, I am a medical student and I agree that children are potty trained at different ages. There is nothing wrong with you as a parent or your child if he or she takes an extra few months or a year to potty train. Some just catch on quicker than others. Some at two while others not until four. It's just the same as some babbies walking at 7 months and some taking 15+ months. It's all just a wide range of normal and I do not think anyone should be criticized for this.

Finally, I do think that John's original post was truly meant to warn others about this, even though it included some of his own personal disgust, which is to be expected. I guess, to each, his own.

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Old April 24th, 2004, 06:45 AM
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Let it go. This thread has been lingering forever. Just don't reply to it and it will go away.
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Old April 25th, 2004, 03:04 PM
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I must say that while I am grossed out by the idea of anyone urinating in a pool - that would not be my concern with children. Secreted urine is sterile however, feces are not. Children do not distinguish between the two and water diapers do not always prevent the latter from leaking.
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Are you the potty training police? Just a tad judgemental are we???
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Old April 25th, 2004, 04:37 PM
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Kimzie - who are you referring to?
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