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Old August 13th, 2003, 08:51 PM
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I would just like to warn everyone that if you have children who are not potty trained they are not allowed in the NCL (Dawn) pools. Not even when they are wearing swimmy diapers. The cruise gears itself as a family type cruise, but said nothing of this when i booked this trip. So when my daugther was swimming in the kiddie pool, my wife was old that she had to leave the pool and that kids with diapers were not allowed in the water. When my wife questioned the matter, two security personnel were summoned and escorted myself and three year old from the pool. Hows that for family fun. Buyer beware!!
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Old August 13th, 2003, 09:04 PM
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Sorry to hear about your pool experience......I suppose you should have been told this in advance, I just assumed it was common knowledge
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Old August 14th, 2003, 10:30 AM
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I cannot fathom any public or private pool that would allow body wastes to be willingly deposited in the water....Unless you have a wading pool in a back yard that you can dump every day.

Don't think the cruise line was cruel or mean or anything else. Sorry if it ruined your cruise
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Old August 14th, 2003, 10:37 AM
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i agree with Jim. A three year olds body waste could be a servious matter. I am sorry you were not forwarned, but the policy is for the safety and cruise enjoyment for all passengers and most would prefer to swim in a pool that is clean and totally sanitary.

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Old August 14th, 2003, 01:12 PM
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I'm not sure about the Dawn, but the Sun has a kiddie pool on a higher deck. However, as a childless (by medical reasons) person, I do agree that diapers don't belong in a public pool, especially since it seems (from looking at how the ship puts salt water in there) that the pools wouldn't have a chlorine filter for getting rid of germs.
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Old August 14th, 2003, 03:45 PM
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. . . .would you like your daughter swimming in a pool with other children who weren't potty-trained swimming in it?! . . . .

I didn't think so . . . .

Use your head!
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Old August 14th, 2003, 04:31 PM
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With the Norwalk virus issues, all cruise lines are being extra careful. I am glad they are and I would rather deny a few toddlers than infect and/or put thousands of people at risk. Remember that these norwalk type viruses are very common in daycare and preschool institutions. They are also easily passed through fecal contact. Of course there are many other diseases that can be passed by feces.
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Old August 16th, 2003, 04:40 PM
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Quite frankly given the obvious health and aesthetic issues that others have mentioned, I am disgusted that you think you should have the right to subject other people's children to your child's body wastes. How selfish and inconsiderate !
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Old August 16th, 2003, 05:43 PM
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In defense of John, I think that you are all being alittle hard on him. I know that the local pools, including our county pool, the YMCA and the aquatic center(indoor pool) all allow little ones with the special Swimmers(disposable pants especially made for being used in water--they don't bunch up or shred) to use their facilities. I'm sure all the little ones that take swimming lessons wear these also. Perhaps the issue and the difference is in how the pools on board are sanitized compared to the chlorinated pools. But it is good that John made other parents aware of this before they cruise with the little ones because they may be under the assumption that they can use the Swimmers like they would at local pools. I have ised these Swimmers on my grandson a few years ago in his own kiddie pool and they do a surprisingly good job of containing all the "bodily waste"
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Old August 17th, 2003, 12:09 PM
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I might agree we are coming down to hard on poor John if I really felt that he was just warning others, but I read a little more into this: first, NCL didn't tell him before he cruised: I am sure there are lots of things we are not told, I wouldn't expect NCL to say, "by the way, I see you are traveling with a 3 year old, is she potty trained?" Number 2, I would think most 3 year olds, or certainly a large number are potty trained by then. All 4 of my grand kids were. A 2 year old would be a little different.. 3: wife questions the rule and 2 security personel excort her away? If this is the case, it sounds like she may have done more than simply question the issue. Just my opinion and yes, there is a difference in the filtering system on ships compared to pools.

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Old August 22nd, 2003, 10:38 AM
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Unbelievable, this guy, I read that in the Freestyle Daily the first day, that kids weren't allowed in if there weren't potty trained...maybe you should have read the policy first before subjecting the rest of the boat to e-coli and hepatitis...Also, my first reaction when I read that was, 'Do people really have to be told this?', 'Isn't it assumed or just common courtesy to the others on the boat that they won't have to swim in your kids feces?'...or perhaps John is one of those who doesn't care and figures that he paid his money and he will do whatever he wants? Absolutely unbelievable, I also have to agree with Nita in that John's wife, I'm sure, did a little more than 'question' the policy if she had to be escorted from the pool.
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Old August 23rd, 2003, 07:10 PM
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Hey, this is great! Its nice to know when we are in the pool, we wont be in a potty!
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Old August 23rd, 2003, 07:21 PM
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I agree with NCL! And a 3yr old should be potty trained.
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Old August 24th, 2003, 08:40 PM
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LET ME EXPLAIN MYSELF. FIRST OF ALL i WOULD NEVER SUBJECT ANOTHER PERSON TO MY DAUGHTER'S FECES. tHAT IS WHY SHE WEARS A SPECIAL TYPE OF DIAPER THAT HOLDS ALL OF THE BACTERIAL MATTER IN IT. iT IS NOT A REGULAR DIAPER. IT IS USED IN PUBLIC POOLS SUCH AS THE YMCA FOR SWIMMING CLASSES, AS WELL AS OTHER RESORT ESTABLISHMENTS THAT I HAVE FREQUENTED. mY DAUGHTER IS CLOSELY WATCHED AND IF SHE HAD AN ACCIDENT WOULD BE SWIFTLY CHANGED. IN ADDITION THE DAWN HAS A BABY WADING POOL THAT IS CHLORINATED AND THERE WERE OTHER MOTHERS WITH NEWBORNS IN THERE THAT IGNORED THE STAFF. MY DAUGHTER WAS PLAYING IN THE KIDDIE POOL NOT THE ADULT POOL. AND HOW MANY OF YOU THINK THAT OTHER PERSONS READ THAT NO ONE IS ALLOWED IN THE POOL WITH DIAPERS AND SIMPLY LET THEIR KIDS IN THE POOL WITH NO DIAPER!! AND NO MY WIFE DID NOT CAUSE A SCENE, AND IF A MANAGER WAS SUMMONED IT WOULD HAVE BEEN THE SERVICE ORIENTED THING TO DO.
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Old August 26th, 2003, 08:37 AM
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I only want to post that not all 3-year-olds are "ready" to be fully potty-trained when their 3rd birthday arrives. My 4-year-old son wasn't fully potty-trained when he turned 3 (we kept trying, off and on, for several months and we took the training pants off for the final time when he was about 3 years and two months old. He's not dumb; he reads very well for his age (including silent reading), counts to over 100 and has figured out simple fractions as well.
My college-age daughter was 3 years and 4 months when she was fully potty-trained, although, like many children, she frequently wet the bed until she was 5 or so. Again, no dummy...she was salutatorian of her high school class and has been on the dean's list of the university she attends ever since her freshman year.
My other daughter was 2 when she was potty-trained; it took one weekend for her to potty train! She is a good student as well.
In summation, if common sense prevails concerning pool sanitation practices, common sense should also be applied when it comes to potty-training. Some kids are just not "ready" to be potty-trained at the age their parents or others believe to be appropriate.
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Old August 26th, 2003, 10:56 AM
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Just a couple of things to comment on then I will keep my big mouth shut! I don't think a child not being potty trained at three has anything to do with intelligence nor has anyone on the board indicated that. There also is no reason a 3 year old should not be potty trained. Now for John's comments all in caps, I may add refers to security personel being summoned to remove either John or his wife (I think I am confused on this issue) either way someone wasn't terribly willing to leave the area. Sounds to me like there was a problem and it wasn't NCLs fault. John, you can say what you want about what type of diapers your little girl was wearing and defend you stand all you want. You have a right to do this as an American, but NCL has a right to say no diapers in any of the pools. If this spoiled your vacation you must have a very limited idea on how to have fun. Just get over it. There are lots of things to do on ships other than use the pool. Of course your little girl could have been in the child care center with other kids or maybe not if she isn't potty trained. My lecture for today!

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Old August 26th, 2003, 03:44 PM
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Hey John, there is no explaining yourself...your daughter is closely watched, thats fantastic, you say this like you are a hero or something...she's your daughter, you are supposed to watch her!!!!! And while you are watching her, are you going to scoop up the log she drops and toss it out of the pool when she goes all over the place? No you are probably the type of guy who will slink away and pretend nothing happened while the rest of the boat is exposed to infectious diseases, Thanks John, for being so considerate.
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Old August 26th, 2003, 05:35 PM
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<<"HOW MANY OF YOU THINK THAT OTHER PERSONS READ THAT NO ONE IS ALLOWED IN THE POOL WITH DIAPERS AND SIMPLY LET THEIR KIDS IN THE POOL WITH NO DIAPER!!>>

You have a point there, John. I believe there are some who might read it that way (or would pretend that they understood it to mean that), and would let their naked-butted kid frolic in the pool, and that wouldn't be the least bit sanitary, either. Notice I ended my sentence with the word, "either". I don't trust "swim" diapers to keep me or other children or adults safe from fecal contamination. I don't swim in pools that allow swim DIAPERS. I don't join clubs that allow swim diapers in adult pools. And if I were to learn that a cruise line or other company permitted swim diapers or tolerated them by looking the other way or did not enforce the prohibition of swim diapers in any pool or jacuzzi in which I might myself swim or relax, I would not give any money to that cruise line.
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Old August 27th, 2003, 01:09 AM
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I think this topic has "flushed" out all of the various options.
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Old September 1st, 2003, 01:14 AM
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My goodness all this over one little issue obviously YOU people dont have small children SWIM diapers are WATERPROOF nothing comes out they dont even expand in water. I agree with John when you book and pay for little ones you should be informed of all the do's and don'ts of the KIDDIE POOL!!!!!!!!!!!
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Old September 1st, 2003, 10:09 AM
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Lamyka, You don't really think any cruise line has or is going to take the time to explain all the rules regarding kids to every passenger do you? Where do they draw the line, what about rules for other special groups? I will always be a strong believer in weighing all the pros and cons when taking young children on any vacation, be it cruising, Europe, even a camping trip. As for making an issue over this subject, John brought it up and I am sure he expected some very negative comments. By the way many who have responded do have pre school age children or grand children. As for the swimmy diapers being spill proof, I won't comment, but the rules of the cruise line are just that, the rules. If you want to know Celebrity has the same rules exactly.

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Old September 4th, 2003, 09:42 AM
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Irregardless of if this was communicated to you before hand, why does the question not go through your mind before you put your kid in the pool? You should say to yourself:

"What about the other 2,000 people on the ship, maybe they don't want to be exposed to my childs' urine and feces?"

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"Maybe it's not worth it to infect the entire boat for my two year old kid to go into the pool, something that which they will never remember anyway?"

And, again Lamyka, it was posted in the Freestyle Daily in pretty large print. If you and John want your kid to crap in water, why don't you potty train them.
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Our neighbors had a sign at their pool years ago that said: "We don't swim in your toilet; Please don't pee (or cr*p) in our pool." Swim diapers DO FAIL!!!!! Been there and seen it happen. Most salt water pools on ships are NOT chlorinated - therefore there are no chemicals in the water to neutralize the bugs in your childs pee or doo doo! Do you really want to put others at risk because your kid wants to play in the pool? Take them to the beach on a port day and let Mother Nature deal with it. Just don't subject others to your child's bugs. Every drop of body fluid is considered to be contaminated in todays age (and I am a nurse and deal with this on a daily basis at work.)

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I think the point has been made already. I agree with what everyone is saying that they shouldn't have to be subject to children in pools who aren't potty trained, swimmy diapers or not. What I have a problem with is the people on this thread who have told others that their child should be potty trained by a certain age. That's not the issue here and it's really no one's business if someone's child is trained or not. The issue is swimmy diapers being allowed or not allowed and obviously most people don't have confidence in them and, personally, neither do I. That said, I'd like to restate that whether or not John's child (or anyone else's) is potty trained isn't anyone's business but their own. My son, now age 14, was late to train and our doctor told us that every child is different and we shouldn't push to train just because that's what everyone else (especially in-law's) expects you to do. My daughter, now age 12, was trained on her own before the age of 2 and ya know what, both of them are healthy, happy and now it doesn't matter how old they were when they were trained. They both did it in their own time! You all sound like my mother-in-law when you are telling someone you don't even know that their kid should be trained! It's none of your business.

And let me re-say......this does not mean I agree with swimmy diapers or non-potty trained kids being in the pool. I don't think they should be allowed in the pool with or without the swimmies but I would never be so arrogant as to tell a stranger that their child should be trained by now. Yikes!
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I dont understand some people here .. who have the time to read all these notes. Rules are rules. Who cares what age a child is potty trained or what grades they are getting. Go enjoy your cruise!
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Uh, there are a lot of people who posted replies to this thread who seriously need to get a life! I'm sure I'm going to get blasted for my response, and I can't tell you how much I don't care, so blast away.

To respond to SOME of the idiotic comments, John never said this ruined his trip, so don't put words in his mouth. Also, the comment about the rules being in the daily newspaper was also idiotic--I'm sure no one reads all the masses of paper presented before and during a cruise. It seems that John and his wife did not know the rules before they went to the KIDDIE POOL where all the CHILDREN go to swim. I agree with John--if NCL or any other cruise line wants to promote and market family cruises, then the cruise line should make an effort to communicate messages regarding rules for children and caring for children on board the ship prior to the cruise. To the moron who said that John indicated that he was trying to be a "hero" for watching his child, you're just obnoxious, and John's message does not indicate that this is his attitude at all. Regarding the security situation, no one who posted a message in reply was there to assess the situation, so you can't accurately form an opinion. I have seen NCL and other cruise lines overreact to passenger issues, so I know it happens from time to time. If there were other children swimming in the pool in the swim diapers at the time that John and his wife were asked to remove their child, I'm sure John's wife's questions regarding the inconsistency in enforcement of the policy were valid.

But the messages to attack regarding the potty training and attacks on John's parenting skills were disgusting. You all remind me of the drivers I see with road-rage on the way to work every morning (cursing, driving erratically, etc.), and I think you're as miserable as the messages you post.

Some of you indicate that you have serious issues--get some counseling and stay off the message boards!!! The rest of us who use this forum as a friendly place to exchange information want nothing to do with you.
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Old September 9th, 2003, 12:58 PM
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luv2cruise, family cruiseline does not mean "we welcome your children and want them to do whatever makes you happy" guidelines and rules are meant to be followed. As for reading the paper every night, believe it or not many of us do read every word before we go to sleep.. If I am not certain what I have read I will re-read it the following morning. I enjoy reading it, want to know exactly what is going on and at what time each day so we can plan our schedules and it's important to know what rules are to be followed, dress code, kid code, whatever code. You mention assumptions, I don't know about others, but I don't think I made any assumptions: It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out a scene of some sort took place if John or his wife was escorted away. obviously there were no others in the water in diapers, or if they were they too were asked to leave. You mentioned "this is a friendly board" I don't think John has been too friendly. His comments were "so much for family fun" and his second startement was resented in caps. You has requested we stay off the message board, do you realize each of us has a right to challenge what others say? This is an issue which, as you can tell, many of us do take serviously. perhaps if your new friend John had started by saying something like this could have been a super cruise or we really like the ship with exception of: a different attitude would have prevailed. NMNita
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I think that you are all being a little rough on this gentleman, for starters swim diapers are accepted readily in most pools without exception and are not considered a risk secondally I am a travel agent and NCL representatives state that they allow little ones to swim with swim diapers as I have contaced them several times regarding this sitauation therefore the information they provide seems to be incorrect....
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Old September 9th, 2003, 06:13 PM
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Jessica, I know what you are saying but 1-regardless of other NCL ships the Dawn does not allow swim diapers or any diapers. 2-this is a ongoing thing with Celebrity as well. 3-John or his wife apparently caused as bit of a ruckus, that in itself says something about his attitude. As a TA I am sure you have heard these stories before, when I was a TA I did. It's the same as the parents who want their little ones to take part in kids camp when they aren't potty trained. Right or wrong, this is an issue that must be addressed. If parents want to take the little ones on cruises that is fine, but there are many activities that will be limited to them and this is a fact.

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Old September 10th, 2003, 04:23 PM
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Well, here we go again. It's difficult to understand how someone can have ALL the answers to everything, and won't even listen when a travel agent states that NCL has given misinformation. Give it a rest.
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