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Old February 18th, 2004, 08:03 AM
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My travel agent talked to NCL yesterday. Apparently, their computerized reservation system (NCL's) does currently allow anyone to make any reservations for the Pride of America until May of 2005!!

I know this does not mean anything; however, it does not look like it will be ready for my Christmas/New Year's cruise...

Juan
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Old February 18th, 2004, 11:54 AM
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When is the Aloha going to Sail? The other ship sounds like a ways off--aside from structural damage what about all the mess inside--mold etc. Not very appealing to me. But we are interested in the Aloha or any ship that will do Hawaii without a long sea trip to get there!
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Old February 18th, 2004, 01:10 PM
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The Aloha is currently sailing as the Norwegian Sky. In May, the ship will go a multi-million dollar, top-to-bottom re-finishing and will become the Pride of Aloha. The ship is actually only 5 years old; however, to do NCL's "Freestyle Crusing" all the ships must have a certain number of restaurants. Additionally, gambling is not allowed in Hawaii, so the casino is being converted into another restaurant. We were told by NCL that EVERYTHING in the ship will be changed -- from the carpet, to the beds, to the decor -- everything.

The issue has not been the "quality" of the ship; the issue has been the size of the ship. The Aloha is smaller than the America, with fewer balconies. We've already been given a cabin number (with balcony, which is what we had with the America) with the Aloha, so we hope -- we think -- we are OK. Our cruise is not until Christmas, though.

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Old February 19th, 2004, 11:05 PM
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Some good news...

February 19, 2004

The Bremen Senate has made ready a guarantee loan of €8M ($10.2M), to secure a
€10M bank credit, which will enable insolvent Lloyd Werft to carry on business and to attract new orders. The government also agreed to create a fund of €10M, to pay the yard’s suppliers, which have been hit by Lloyd Werft’s problems. So far, no knock-on effects to suppliers have been reported. Lloyd Werft filed for insolvency on 9 February after Norwegian Cruise Line refused to pay an instalment of €37.5M for the partially submerged Pride.

Meanwhile damage to the cruise ship’s diesel-electric propulsion system might be less than at first feared. On Tuesday, just two days after dry-docking, smoke has exhausted from two of the six funnel pipes of the stricken cruise liner. Yesterday three of the six diesel engines were made to work. The whole propulsion system, including the two pod drives have been lying in water for a full month after being flooded 13 January.

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Old February 20th, 2004, 07:38 AM
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Good! Keep us up-to-date, please.

thanks!
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Old February 21st, 2004, 06:23 PM
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Who is playing the real game here? Is it Expedia.com or NCL, you decide.


February 21, 2004

Brian Mijo
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RE: Pride of Aloha 8/15/2004 sailing date, 7-day cruise - 4 Staterooms

Per our telephone conversation today, February 21, 2004, you promised to "release" all four (4) reservations made thru Expedia.com to NCL. You stated that the reservations would remain "as is," and by releasing the reservations the only advantage would be that I would be able to speak to NCL directly regarding those bookings.

This was my first experience with Expedia.com and you can bet that it will be my last.

I merely wanted a price adjustment on being moved, involuntarily I might add, from a Category BF to a Category EE. You stated there is a price difference of $513.00 per stateroom, however, you stated that you would not make a price adjustment for the four (4) staterooms. As you stated, "Expedia should not be expected to eat that loss." I guess you think it is equitable that your customers eat that loss instead. What loss? My understanding from NCL is that a price reduction was passed on to Expedia. Poor...poor...poor...poor customer service!!!!!!!!!!!

It's bad enough that we won't be crusing on the Pride of America as planned when I made my reservations in September 2003. And even worse when the accommodations don't include the balcony staterooms we reserved for our family reunion and my daughter's honeymoon, but now you want us to pay the same price for inferior accommodations as you pocket the price reduction given to you by NCL.

I will make sure that others are apprised of the way Expedia deals with its customers. There are tooooooooooooooooo many travel agencies and tooooooooooooooooo many establishments that would like to do business with us to have to put up with an unprofessional online service such as Expedia.com and employees such as yourself.


Thank you,

Terry
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Old March 1st, 2004, 08:11 AM
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Anyone have any updates? Nothing on NCL's Web site. BlueC, do you have any news? This affects a lot of people, and I do not want to let this thread "die." Any updates would be greatly appreciated.

thanks!

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Old March 1st, 2004, 08:45 PM
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The only news I have is that the repair and completion of Pride of America is to go out to tender. Who is going to make this order is unclear, NCL or the insurer Basler Securitas. Also there is rumor that some suppliers to Lloyd Werft have gone bankrupt (or possibly insolvent). It sounds like Lloyd Werft will be unable to complete POA. Maybe some other yard will do this. However, please don't take this as the final outcome. News is hard to get, so let's keep an open mind.

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Old March 2nd, 2004, 07:33 AM
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I feel bad for NCL... they've had such a rash of bad luck in the last couple of years, and it looks like it's continuing.

Well, my wife and I are looking forward to our cruise aboard the Aloha.

thanks for the updates, BlueC.
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Old March 2nd, 2004, 04:10 PM
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Here is the news how it was reported in Seatrade Insider:

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Other yards to bid for Pride?
March 1, 2004

Pride of America’s insurers are considering asking other yards to tender for the ship's repairs and completion, German sources told Seatrade Insider. According to the sources, it is not certain that Lloyd Werft will win the bid to finish the vessel. Yard chief Werner Lüken vowed to complete the project following the Pride of America’s refloating last month.

Meanwhile, the important Lloyd Werft subcontractor Messrs Metall-und Bootsbau GmbH declared insolvency today, with 68 workers losing their jobs. By the end of last week, two other subcontractors had filed for insolvency, affecting 40 jobs. It is understood that the government aid approved by the Bremen senate for subcontractors affected by Lloyd Werft’s insolvency is complicated and difficult to obtain.

Pride of America remains in dry dock at Bremerhaven as investigations continue into the cause of the ship’s partial dockside sinking during a Jan. 14 storm.

Seatrade Insider

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Let's hope things are sorted out speadily. I guess we can only hope.

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Old March 3rd, 2004, 07:01 AM
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Seems to me that someone is going to finish the build on this ship. Even with all the possible damage, it is far too near completion for any thought to be given to not completing this ship. Much has been invested.
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Old March 3rd, 2004, 08:05 AM
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Finishing the ship was never out of the question. NCL has spent millions (probably close to 100 million) of dollars on this new ship. The issue at hand is not IF the ship will be finished, but WHEN. Many of us had booked seven-day inter-island Hawaiian cruises on the Pride of America. Those cruises have now been (or will be soon) re-booked on the Pride of Aloha. I know the Aloha will be a wonderful ship, but we were really looking forward to sailing on the (brand-new) America. Oh well.... maybe another time.
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Old March 4th, 2004, 10:52 PM
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Some good news from Lloyd Werft: Pride of America's six diesel engines have all been restarted. Now we await the decision of when and where she will be completed. NCL, its insurers Basel Securitas and Lloyd Werft are still engaged in constructive talks. As soon as I know something it will be posted.

Cheers everyone.
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Old March 5th, 2004, 07:40 AM
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Wow, now, that's impressive! After spending a month under (sea) water, I did not think they'd be able to salvage the engines. I guess what saved them is the fact that they are diesel engines, which have far fewer electric components and wiring than a gasoline engine. It'd be interesting to see what develops.

Again, thanks for the update, BlueC.
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Old March 8th, 2004, 06:06 PM
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Booked on POA for the end of March and was just put on the Aloha. We are a family of 5(3 adults and 2 adult size teenagers). We had a family suite and now want to give us a penthouse on the Aloha. I feel this is really a down size yet being pushed as a up grade????? I have been doing some research on the NCL Sky (soon to be Aloha). I'm not very happy at all with what I am finding out. Staff, room size, food, ect. all seem to be on the poor side.
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Old March 11th, 2004, 08:28 AM
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glgmom

May I ask where you've read or heard about the "poor side" of the Sky? I am not doubting you at all.. I am just curious because we too, were re-booked from the America into the Aloha... and, well, we're not that happy about it, honestly.

thanks

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Old March 18th, 2004, 05:50 PM
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This is from NCL's president and CEO Colin Veitch at Seatrade Miami.

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Pride of America update
March 17, 2004

A site team conducting the insurance adjustment on Pride of America at Lloyd Werft is close to wrapping up, said Norwegian Cruise Line president and ceo Colin Veitch. Meanwhile, 180 people are at work on board to ensure preservation of the ship’s components in preparation for repair work to begin. Pride of America was partly submerged dockside for several weeks following a heavy storm on Jan. 14.

The ship will not enter service until 2005, Veitch confirmed. He hopes it will be early in the year, but it’s too soon to tell.

What caused Pride of America to go down? There may have been openings in the steel -- holes made during the construction process for equipment installation -- which allowed water to enter during the storm and destabilize the vessel, Veitch said. ‘Somehow, water got in that shouldn’t and when the ship was being blown by the wind, masses of water were moving in the ship in a way that wasn’t controlled,’ he elaborated.

As earlier reported, Pride of Aloha (currently operating as Norwegian Sky) will assume the delayed vessel’s scheduled itineraries from Honolulu starting on July 4. Both Pride of Aloha and Pride of America will offer seven-day itineraries, Veitch disclosed, instead of the original plan for one ship to operate three-/four-day routes that could be paired with a selection of 11 land-stay packages. The packages will still be marketed but NCL anticipates lower sales in light of the typical seven-day US vacation pattern.

Pride of Aloha is booking very strongly, and Pride of America was NCL’s strongest booking ship prior to Jan. 14, according to Veitch, who said, ‘We were achieving volumes and prices unequaled in NCL history.’ The NCL chief sees the Pride of America accident as causing only a short-term impact on his company's Hawaii strategy.

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From the horse's mouth. No Pride of America until 2005. Will keep you posted if details of repairs are released, etc.

Cheers
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Old March 19th, 2004, 07:01 AM
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Pride of Aloha it is...

Thanks again, BlueC.

Juan
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Old March 25th, 2004, 09:35 PM
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Blohm+Voss to bid for Pride repair
March 25, 2004

HAMBURG shipbuilder/repairer Blohm+Voss has put in a bid to repair the damage caused to the NCL cruise ship Pride of America by its part-submerging at Lloyd Werft in Bremerhaven. The insurer Basler Securitas asked four German yards – Blohm+Voss, Lloyd Werft, HDW and Meyer Werft – to offer for the work, reportedly valued at €180M ($218M). Surveyors from all four have inspected the ship, but HDW has told Fairplay it will not be putting in a bid and Meyer said it was fully occupied with two other NCL newbuildings. Lloyd Werft MD Werner Lüken has asked insurers for an immediate decision on the entire €300M project; only when that decision is taken will NCL talk with the yard about continuing construction work. A Basler Securitas spokesman confirmed to Fairplay today that a meeting of all the insurers involved in the case had agreed to delay any decision, but he declined to say why. More than 150 Lloyd Werft workers are, with insurers’ approval, removing equipment parts damaged by ingress of water. Insolvency administrator Wolfgang van Betteray said he had no evidence of any negligence by yard employees that would endanger payment by insurers.

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Old March 28th, 2004, 02:32 PM
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Hi we were booked on POA for the xmas cruise Juan was going on. After various problems with TV Travel shop in the Uk and NCL we were very unhappy to be moved onto The pride of aloha. Afterreading The travel trade Gazette where NCL said that anyone not wanting to move ship would be refunded, this was then refuted by NCL. NCL staff then denied that POA had actually sunk and we had a good discussion with them about this, they were saying it was just behind schedule (read your own website NCL staff DUH!!!). We finally got a call from TV travel shop saying that our cabin was being downgraded due to the fact that they couldn't fit a crib in the same category cabin as we had booked on POA.They then offered us a £30 refund per person for this or a chance to cancel with a full refund, which we took. I wish Juan and all the others taking this cruise the best of luck and hope it works out perfect for you. Unfortunately with the experiance we have had with NCL I fear the worst. Please let us know after the cruise how it went.


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Old March 28th, 2004, 04:14 PM
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Sorry for the bad news, but NCL is hoping for mid-2006 for delivery!
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Old March 28th, 2004, 09:47 PM
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I was hoping to book on POAmerica for a trip in Sept. 2005. Is that 2006 date official? Where did you see it?
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Old March 29th, 2004, 08:22 AM
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Well, so far, we've been lucky. We've been re-booked in similar cabin as what we had in the America (balcony). It's too bad this has happened, but I am certain my wife and I will have a great time in Hawaii, regardless of the ship. :-)
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Old March 29th, 2004, 06:35 PM
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I agree Juan. How can you have a BAD time cruising through HAWAII?? I'm sure you'll have the trip of a lifetime!
I will book on the Pride of Aloha if it's definite that the Pride of America will not be finished for Sept. 2005. WOW - I thought I was planning far enough ahead that it wouldn't be a problem!!! I guess not! With everyone gettting shifted from one ship to the other, I'm thinking I might be safer just booking on Aloha to begin with. At least I would know what cabin I have. I REALLY want to make sure I have a balcony.
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Old March 30th, 2004, 08:03 AM
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Well, Anna, you don't have a choice. NCL stopped booking on the Pride of America several weeks ago. The America will be out of commission for a while. (They'r not sure how long, but they know it will be at least 2005 before it starts sailing.) The only people they are re-booking into the Aloha are those folks who HAD booked on the America before it foundered. Now, though, the only choice you have for a seven-day Hawaiian cruise is the Aloha (or soon to be Aloha -- right now, it is still sailing as the Norwegian Sky).

Thankfully, our Christmas cruise was not sold out, so re-booking us on the Aloha was not a big deal at all. The headaches are with the sold-out summer sailings that now must be re-booked into the smaller Aloha.
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Old March 30th, 2004, 12:04 PM
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To: BlueC

Your information has been very helpful. My husband and I are group leaders for a travel club. We had blocked 40 cabins on the Pride of America and had only booked 3 cabins when she sank. Now have 20 more passengers waiting to find out what we are going to do. We are now being told that if we re-block on the Aloha the price will be higher and there are no balcony cabins for groups. The lack of balconies is a serious issue for our group. Also, I had arranged for a Red Hat Society Luncheon with a Hawaii group, which will have to be rescheduled or cancelled. Looks like we will have to wait to see when the Pride will be ready and go from there. What a disappointment this has been.

Looking forward to future updates.
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Old April 3rd, 2004, 01:10 PM
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To: BlueC

Southwest Airlines is booking the Pride of America starting in May 2005. When America is finally finished SWA will just move those that they have booked to a later sailing. That may make it hard to get a group on the America.

Looking forward to future updates.
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Old April 3rd, 2004, 01:29 PM
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Thanks for the update. I still have my heart set on the Pride of America for Sept. 2005 but I haven't found a place yet that will accept the booking that far ahead. I went to the Southwest site, but only saw the Pride of Aloha for May. Maybe they'll only do the Pride of America over the phone?? If anyone sees a site booking the Pride of America for Sept. 2005, please post!!! Thanks!
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Old April 5th, 2004, 07:23 PM
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I went to southwest.com where I found this when I posted my comments. Just checked again and now all they have is the Pride of Aloha. Guess they woke up!
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Old April 14th, 2004, 02:48 AM
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There hasn't been any real news worth posting except that Lloyd Werft are still hoping to finish work on Pride of America. They will tender with several other yards for the contract. Previously Tyler said mid-2006, I think he really meant mid-2005.

As news comes to hand I'll post it.

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